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[ElMuchu]

I like DAO and ME serie, the whole serie, even ME3. I just simply do notlike the ending but except that the game itself is ok. Regarding DA2, well, it is a bit more complicated. I find some of the game part boring and I do not like some side quests and some characters. DA2 is the worst Bioware Game for me and ME3 endings the worst endings I have ever seen, except may be the one of pong....

[Cazlee]

DA2 was BAD

No DAO companions AND THEIR CAMEOS WERE HORRIBLE OMG ALISTAIRS FACE!
None of the wardens decisions mattered, her story was not continued through Hawke
The new companions were written badly. "Aren't we going to have sex, Zevran" - Isabella. No freaking wit...
The conversation wheel icons like the diamond, leaf, hammer, drama face weren't explained or made sense.
It didn't expand or give insight on the lore in DA:O.

ugh I don't want to think about this any more

The relationships were awful
The story was awful
The characters were awful
The enviromnment was empty and you couldn't click on any of the town people
The story ended the same way no matter what you did also was also awful

EDIT I FORGOT HOW EXHAUSTING THE COMBAT WAS. WAVE OF THE SAME ENEMY COPIED 10 TIMES, then when you kill them you get 12 more waves of the same.

Modifié par Cazlee, 31 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[Rhiens VI]

Say what you like about the execution of the 3 big events at the end of DA2 - they were all foreshadowed in all three acts. The lyrium idol has been doing it's thing for three acts, Anders has gradually been getting more desperate and radical, and Orsino has been helping that stupid Orlesian blood mage who helped get your mum killed. So every single thing in that ending, though it may seem to come out of left field, does NOT suddenly appear in the last 10 minutes.

This.

[pharsti]

ME3 was awesome, and then the end came, so yes, biggest disappointment.

DA2.... well, honestly, i thought DA2 was just complete lazyness and boring, the only thing i liked about it was the combat animations and the female Hawke default model, other than that.... yeah.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Dragon Age 2 was a hit to BioWare's rep and trust. Mass Effect 3 and the controversy over its ending is just fanwank in comparison.

[javierabegazo]

cogsandcurls wrote...

The thing is, my passion for games lies in the characters and the narratives. (I'M GOING TO SPOIL DA2 IN THIS POST)

Say what you like about the execution of the 3 big events at the end of DA2 - they were all foreshadowed in all three acts. The lyrium idol has been doing it's thing for three acts, Anders has gradually been getting more desperate and radical, and Orsino has been helping that stupid Orlesian blood mage who helped get your mum killed. So every single thing in that ending, though it may seem to come out of left field, does NOT suddenly appear in the last 10 minutes. ME3: see Starchild.

Also, DA2's strength was it's characters and it KNEW it. Hawke's family and friends were the best thing about that game, and the end of the game kept the emphasis on them, their worldviews and their relationships to the main protagonist (especially if one of your siblings is still alive and PARTICULARLY if they're templar or circle mage, and also if you didn't lock any of the companion's friendships/rivalries down). ME3 dumps the characters by the wayside the minute the Elevator To Heaven appears, including Shepard.

Also, as a framing device? Varric and Cassandra >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storytime with Grandpa. (Hey, we knew Varric, it played around with the unreliable narrator nicely throughout, and it didn't just throw the framing device out of nowhere right at the end with no context.)

Great point and masterfully presented. I guess another way to say it is that atleast DA2 was consistent...?

[Aetika]

Gerudan wrote...

DA2 wasn't that good to begin with, but ME3 really was good and had great moments, but the endings totally ruined it for me, so in the end, the bigger letdown was clearly ME3, even so it was better than DA2 for like 99% of the game. 

This.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

cogsandcurls wrote...

The thing is, my passion for games lies in the characters and the narratives. (I'M GOING TO SPOIL DA2 IN THIS POST)

Say what you like about the execution of the 3 big events at the end of DA2 - they were all foreshadowed in all three acts. The lyrium idol has been doing it's thing for three acts, Anders has gradually been getting more desperate and radical, and Orsino has been helping that stupid Orlesian blood mage who helped get your mum killed. So every single thing in that ending, though it may seem to come out of left field, does NOT suddenly appear in the last 10 minutes. ME3: see Starchild.

Also, DA2's strength was it's characters and it KNEW it. Hawke's family and friends were the best thing about that game, and the end of the game kept the emphasis on them, their worldviews and their relationships to the main protagonist (especially if one of your siblings is still alive and PARTICULARLY if they're templar or circle mage, and also if you didn't lock any of the companion's friendships/rivalries down). ME3 dumps the characters by the wayside the minute the Elevator To Heaven appears, including Shepard.

Also, as a framing device? Varric and Cassandra >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storytime with Grandpa. (Hey, we knew Varric, it played around with the unreliable narrator nicely throughout, and it didn't just throw the framing device out of nowhere right at the end with no context.)

bar varric the characters in DA2 were terrible the story and pacing was absurd and the gameplay is fun for about 5 minutes, then its the same thing over and over again.

Glad to see they can't be arsed with it anymore

[TexasToast712]

 DA2 was better than DAO.

THERE, I SAID IT!

COME AT ME, BRO!

[Delaney]

ME 3 was the bigger letdown because it should be the heroic end of a whole trilogy around one of the best heroes in gaming history, Shepard. DA2 was also disappointing, that's why I watched a friend playing it instead of playing it myself. But there's at least a little hope that DA3 will be better ... or worse, if BW doesn't listen to his fans, you know.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Rhiens VI wrote...

Say what you like about the execution of the 3 big events at the end of DA2 - they were all foreshadowed in all three acts. The lyrium idol has been doing it's thing for three acts, Anders has gradually been getting more desperate and radical, and Orsino has been helping that stupid Orlesian blood mage who helped get your mum killed. So every single thing in that ending, though it may seem to come out of left field, does NOT suddenly appear in the last 10 minutes.

This.

So we know they were all bonkers from the start. Great.

The problem is they all get more extremist despite the PC being able to placate rivalries between factions, or become Anders' friend. It's the perfect Idiot Plot.

[themanynamed]

My emotional investment in the ME setting is greater than anything I felt for the DA setting.  I just never really clicked with DA1 or DA2, although the first game had its moments.  The ME3 ending and all the other niggling issues led to a much bigger letdown than the grinding disappointment I felt for DA2. 

I won't say that ME3 has ruined the entire series or setting for me (denial is a wonderful thing) but it has certainly taken the shine off and revisiting the earlier ME games far less appealing.  I'm also very hesitant to preorder again and DLC will not be an automatic buy either.  Given that I'm a forgiving sort, I'd say ME3 was a freakin' huge letdown.

Not that any of this means that DA2 was a better game- it was pretty darn awful on multiple fronts.

[MrFob]

I really liked DA:O but with DA2, I already knew from the previews and videos that this was no longer really my kind of game. So I still played it, it was somewhat ok (no comparison to DA:O though). However, I wasn't that invested in the DA universe anyway, so I just wrote that off as "not great but who cares".
With ME3, I had a blast! Great game, great moments and I just LOVE this universe. It is immerse, all ME games were as close to perfect as you could get IMO, I loved the characters and the story.
Then came the ending and I felt punched in the stomach. My absolute favourite game series was gone for good and the ending even robbed me of the chance to joyfully play through what was already there.
So while ME3 all in all is the vastly superior game IMO, its ending was definitely the bigger let-down for me.

[AnImpossibleGirl]

Cazlee wrote...

DA2 was BAD!

No DAO companions AND THEIR CAMEOS WERE HORRIBLE OMG ALISTAIRS FACE!
None of the wardens decisions mattered, her story was not continued through Hawke
The new companions were written badly. "Aren't we going to have sex, Zevran" - Isabella. No freaking wit...
The conversation wheel icons like the diamond, leaf, hammer, drama face weren't explained or made sense.
It didn't expand or give insight on the lore in DA:O.

ugh I don't want to think about this any more

The relationships were awful
The story was awful
The characters were awful
The enviromnment was empty and you couldn't click on any of the town people
The story ended the same way no matter what you did also was also awful

EDIT I FORGOT HOW BAD THE COMBAT WAS. WAVE OF THE SAME ENEMY COPIED 10 TIMES, then when you kill them you get 12 more waves of the same.

Yup. Thanks lol and you forgot how TERRIBLE Hawke is. 

[Gwinever]

comparing endings, ME3 was the biggest let down
comparing the overall games, slight disfavor to DA2 cause off repeated maps useage in the main game and the enemy's falling from the sky (the DLC's did that alot better).
still, both main games where awesome

[Obsidian Gryphon]

DA 2 is a disaasociation frm DAO of which I like very much. Hence, I never felt I was continuing the story of DAO. Nor was I that invested in the chars. ME 3 is different; it's the finale of a story with a great cast of chars. Hence, it was a vast let down at the end. After so many hours, scurrying from one end to the other end; in the delusion the ending would justify the efforts. Well, ME 3 just really drops one off into the chasm.

[cogsandcurls]

javierabegazo wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

The thing is, my passion for games lies in the characters and the narratives. (I'M GOING TO SPOIL DA2 IN THIS POST)

Say what you like about the execution of the 3 big events at the end of DA2 - they were all foreshadowed in all three acts. The lyrium idol has been doing it's thing for three acts, Anders has gradually been getting more desperate and radical, and Orsino has been helping that stupid Orlesian blood mage who helped get your mum killed. So every single thing in that ending, though it may seem to come out of left field, does NOT suddenly appear in the last 10 minutes. ME3: see Starchild.

Also, DA2's strength was it's characters and it KNEW it. Hawke's family and friends were the best thing about that game, and the end of the game kept the emphasis on them, their worldviews and their relationships to the main protagonist (especially if one of your siblings is still alive and PARTICULARLY if they're templar or circle mage, and also if you didn't lock any of the companion's friendships/rivalries down). ME3 dumps the characters by the wayside the minute the Elevator To Heaven appears, including Shepard.

Also, as a framing device? Varric and Cassandra >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storytime with Grandpa. (Hey, we knew Varric, it played around with the unreliable narrator nicely throughout, and it didn't just throw the framing device out of nowhere right at the end with no context.)

Great point and masterfully presented. I guess another way to say it is that atleast DA2 was consistent...?

Yeah, DA2 was really consistent. For someone like me who replays for a good narrative, I can overlook DA2's flaws because once I got used to them being there (Like the caves, and that one warehouse I visited a million times. Mainly the caves. Arrrrghhhh) I could overlook it and just enjoy the narrative.

I'm also of the belief that the writing in Dragon Age 2 is really solid, although it doesn't tell the traditional Hero's Journey and I know a lot of people don't like it because of that. It has some serious pacing issues too, but it still holds up for me.

[Jere85]

me3 by quite a bit, i agree with some negative things about da2, but i enjoyed the game as a whole. including the ending. me3 just breaks a whole franchise. well me3 doesnt, the ending does.

[CrazyCatDude]

javierabegazo wrote...

For mainly those who are disappointed or upset about ME3- ()

I myself used to be very invested in DAO, I think I lost that investment in the Dragon Age series when they brought on "internet" celebrities like Felicia Day into the franchise, so when I started playing DA2 for the first time, I wasn't so much angry, as it was the final last few drops to put out a candle of hope.  (I still never actually finished DA2, but I can't bring myself to sell it either. Perhaps I'm lying to myself thinking I'll finish it someday.)

I'm working on a bigger piece of review for ME3, but just to suffice for this thread, ME3 was a larger, and more subtler letdown, in a way that I realized how unsatisfied I was at the grand end to the trilogy days after having finished it.

Seconds after finishing ME1, I immediately rushed into a 4 hour session of NG+.    Even with ME2 and Termy the Terminator, I still went into NG+ after watching the ending, wondering what the end mission would look like if I was a lazy incompetent commander. And then ME3.

ME3 was a larger letdown than DA2 because of the scripted background conversations in place of ALL full dialog side missions/quests. 

Which is it for those of you who played through both?

ME3, but only the last ten minutes.  Sure, there were other things about it that I wish were different, but over all, the game was a 10/10, right up until the glowing elevator of doom.

As for DA2, I felt it was a huge improvement over DA:O in almost every way.  I know that makes me one of the odd ones, but Dragon Age: Origins never really caught me the way Mass Effect 1 -3 or Dragon Age 2 did.  Part of that was the clunky combat, which DA2 greately improved (not perfect by any stretch, but much, much better), but most of it was the silent protagonist.  After playing Mass Effect almost obsessively for a good while, going back to a protagonist who doesn't speak was just miserable.  Also, I know it's the least popular part, but I REALLY loved the story in Dragon Age 2.  I understand why a lot of people don't, because there's something of a genre shift between Origins and 2.  Origins is Epic Fantasy, while 2 is a tragedy in a fantasy setting.  I liked 2 better, because honestly, Epic fantasy isn't really my cup of tea.

ME3 hurt so bad, because up until that point, it had been *so* good.

[miltos33]

Both games were a decline for Bioware compared to the prequels. ME3 is still the better game in comparison to DA2.

[Yokokorama]

Thing is, only ME3's ending was a major letdown. Yeah, it had other letdowns like a small, non-diverse squadmate roster and tons of autodialogue, but . . . the game itself, barring the ending, was good.

The issue[s] with Dragon Age II are more, IMO. Recycled maps everywhere (seriously, there are only like 3 or 4 dungeon layouts in the whole game), a pretty pointless plot, and a more interesting squadmate roster that consisted solely of elves and humans (as opposed to DA:O where you had a member of practically every race).

Luckily for me, I played DAII before DA:O, so when I played DA:O it felt like I was playing a sequel.

This trend worries me, though.  I remember how many options ME1 had; tons of dialogue choices, the ability to customize your squads armor, and so much more that actually made it feel like an RPG.  Same thing with DA:O.  Then, they downgraded so much of the RPG element of the game for some reason (removing customizable squadmate armor, watering down dialogue choices, etc).  I feel like the dev's standards are going down, or simply becoming lazier.

Modifié par Yokokorama, 31 mars 2012 - 11:46 .

[themanynamed]

pharsti wrote...
 i thought DA2 was just complete lazyness and boring, the only thing i liked about it was the combat animations and the female Hawke default model, other than that.... yeah.

Yeah, the default Hawke was awesome.  I hate, hate, hate the default Fem!Shep.  There is something really wrong with the eyes and I would be very shocked if they could plaster her with more makeup than has already been caked on.

[Thumb Fu]

Dragon Age 2 was a little disappointing, the wave mechanic in the encounters and the copy and pasted areas sucked! But the story and characters were great.

As for mass effect 3, well its the best game I've every played, up to the last 5 minutes, and I'm not the type of person to let that ruin the whole experience, so to answer your question i suppose Dragon Age 2 would have to be classed as the "bigger let down"

[Tootles FTW]

I love Dragon Age 2 and never understood the intense fan negativity. YES, they skimped some major corners with reused dungeons and the missed opportunity w/ the 10yr time span (seriously...we have two "and then 3 years went by..." time jumps?! Lazy), but I felt the story was more compelling than DAO's. The Archdemon ended up being just some dragon (yawn), but I FELT the tension rising between the mages & templars and it honestly had me changing my gameplan several times.

Mass Effect 3? Yea....the ending wasn't just bad. It's was a retroactively tragic blackhole of fail that ruin all the games that came before it. Bravo.

[Grimwick]

Its not that ME3 as a whole is a let down (it was never going to be as good as we desperately wanted it to be) its just that the ending was a let down.
Probably the biggest gaming let down I have ever seen.
On a different note I didn't mind the default femshep!