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[barric00]

Even if I didn' t like the endings that much (at least I would have loved to know something more about the consequences of such endings), I consider ME3 a GREAT game.
DA2.. well... :\\

[MouseNo4]

ME3 was the absolute best game i have ever played in my life. Until the last 10 minutes. Dragon Age 2 was a pretty good game, which also had a really terrible ending. The two dont compare.

[snajones]

lasertank wrote...

ME3 is the biggest letdown ever.

My thoughts exactly. The only thing that comes close in video game history (for me) is KOTOR2.

Hold the line!

[Phaedros]

DA2: whole game was a massive let down .. new staff didn't have a clue...

ME3: Ending nullified everything that went before ..

BOTH were massive disappointments.

[Randalf84]

While I was very disappointed with DA2, I find it quite easy to headcanon out so I can still enjoy Origins. They are separate stories.

ME3 on the other hand, is not so easily separated from earlier games in the series, as it is part of an extended narrative.

ME3 wins for disappointment, since it's ending ruined everything in the franchise. Dragon Age 2 only ruined itself.

[Fulgrim88]

ME3.

I had low expectations for DA2, and they were met.
But it wasn't advertised as the second coming of grand RPG to begin with, it was advertised as the j-rpg hack'n'slay it turned out to be.

ME3 however, especially(!) it's ending was advertised to be all sorts of glorious. The Pre-release promises were wet-dream material.
To say those promises were not met would be an understatement. Hence the much bigger disappoitnment

[Spanky Magoo]

ME3 The end came out of nowhere and kicked my brain in the ass.

DA2 disappointed me as soon as I got to kirkwall.

[bossk-office]

Sure I was disappointed with Dragon Age 2, but it was a fun game which I ended up playing four times. With Mass Effect 3 I couldn’t even stomach one playthrough. Mass Effect 3 was a much bigger disappointment.

[Wowlock]

I didn't mind DA2 much since it was experimental to begin with and it was a ''middle'' game where things tend to get blurry. So I gave them a benefit of the doubt. I was annoyed by the Over-The-Top action and re-used areas over and over but I also found good parts , like amazing characters that still stand as my favorites like Varric.

ME3 ...well my expectations were quite high to be honest. I know I am to blame for that but after experiencing such a great ride of the journey ( just think of the first 2 LOTR movies or novels and try not to get excited for the 3rd one . ) I was hoping for a great conclusion...
It started out amazing with the new ways of interaction on Citadel etc and the constant updates after each mission on Citadel. Emotional roller-coaster and great cameos. Improved combat and more customization etc etc... I can go on about what is good. But those that are BAD actually somehow over-shadowed the good things in the game. Before the ending, there was the not-so-improved galactic scan, THE MOST USELESS journal of all time , that annoying scanning gate in Normandy...there are some more but I won't be neat picky...

And then, there is the BIG FINALE...where everything BLOWS TO HELL...with no-logical sense. I can go on and rant about the ending all day but by this time we all know it.

Soo I would say I was more disappointed by ME3 because it set the standart too high for to be a great conclusion for this amazing journey...only to commit suicide in the end and create a void in my heart.

DA2 ? Well I enjoyed most part of it, as I said I was expecting this as an experimental stuff and in a world where Magic is constant and every mage you met turn out to be a crazy blood mage, the ''shock'' value kinda get lost in the shuffle. Their advantage though, it was a Different Story, rather than being a continuation like Awakening. We got an amazing Warden story. Then a more personal but not-much stellar Hawke story. All I can say is I hope they take their notes better for DA3 or whatever the next game will be. They already have a thread for it on DA forums so I think it is a good sign.

I just hope we won't see another ME3 ending fiasco. Because in a world like DA wheter Crazy mages , demons and Blood magic run rampant.... I can imagine things can turn out MUCH worse with a ME3 kind of ending...

[JadedLibertine]

cogsandcurls wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

cogsandcurls wrote...

The thing is, my passion for games lies in the characters and the narratives. (I'M GOING TO SPOIL DA2 IN THIS POST)

Say what you like about the execution of the 3 big events at the end of DA2 - they were all foreshadowed in all three acts. The lyrium idol has been doing it's thing for three acts, Anders has gradually been getting more desperate and radical, and Orsino has been helping that stupid Orlesian blood mage who helped get your mum killed. So every single thing in that ending, though it may seem to come out of left field, does NOT suddenly appear in the last 10 minutes. ME3: see Starchild.

Also, DA2's strength was it's characters and it KNEW it. Hawke's family and friends were the best thing about that game, and the end of the game kept the emphasis on them, their worldviews and their relationships to the main protagonist (especially if one of your siblings is still alive and PARTICULARLY if they're templar or circle mage, and also if you didn't lock any of the companion's friendships/rivalries down). ME3 dumps the characters by the wayside the minute the Elevator To Heaven appears, including Shepard.

Also, as a framing device? Varric and Cassandra >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Storytime with Grandpa. (Hey, we knew Varric, it played around with the unreliable narrator nicely throughout, and it didn't just throw the framing device out of nowhere right at the end with no context.)

Great point and masterfully presented. I guess another way to say it is that atleast DA2 was consistent...?

Yeah, DA2 was really consistent. For someone like me who replays for a good narrative, I can overlook DA2's flaws because once I got used to them being there (Like the caves, and that one warehouse I visited a million times. Mainly the caves. Arrrrghhhh) I could overlook it and just enjoy the narrative.

I'm also of the belief that the writing in Dragon Age 2 is really solid, although it doesn't tell the traditional Hero's Journey and I know a lot of people don't like it because of that. It has some serious pacing issues too, but it still holds up for me.

I absolutely agree with all of this.  The combat was a bit broken, it reused the same four locations and was set in the most generic and lifeless medieval fantasy city but it had engaging characters, a great story and an interesting and consistent narrative.  The ending was bleak and unresolved but it was consistent with the story, characters and the world.  They'd spent the entire game carefully setting it up.

ME3 is vastly better overall but the ending was sloppily copy and pasted from a completely different game and then seemingly filled out with random out takes from in-game cutscenes.  Those 5 minutes destroy the 100 hours before it.

[Srau]

DA2 was biggest let down for me.
Hopefully i was broke at this time and had to wait to buy it, saved 60 bucks in the end since i'll never ever buy it and went into "tralala, i don't hear, i don't see, tralala" mode concerning the DA franchise.

Edit : to make things clear, i am not arguing just for the sake of, i borrowed the game to my brother to test it because he had amazingly shelved it very fast .. i gave it back to him as fast

ME3 had downsides of course and to me is subpar ME1 (but better than ME2) but the last 10 minutes removed it was a very good game nonetheless.
I am still waiting to see the end of the trilogy though because the infamous "tralala" mode auto engaged itself once more after Harbinger shot me in London.

Modifié par Srau, 31 mars 2012 - 12:21 .

[Nimrodell]

DA2 wasn't let down for me nor is ME3, if we exclude endings. But if we talk ME3 plus last 10 minutes of the game... it was huge let down, 'cause of lack of closure and coherence, logic even.

[Pandaman102]

Hmm, while I hated DA2, I would say ME3 was a bigger letdown. Why? Because it was so excellent up until the end, which then proceeded to kill any interest I had in ever playing ME1 and ME2 again. I was flying pretty high until I ran off that particular cliff.

DA2 was disappointing from the start, so it didn't let me "down" since I was already skimming the bottom throughout the entire game; it is also a separate story from DA:O, so it didn't impact the replay value of the original.

[joe1852]

dragon age 2 since i wasn't let down by mass effect 3 at all

[KroganShields]

 DA2 wasn't /that/ bad. If you compare it to the first game, sure, it sucks monkey balls.

Anyways, Mass Effect 3 ending was a bigger letdown.

[appleyum]

Dragon Age 2. Too much of RPG elements that made Dragon Age Origin great were taken away.

Modifié par appleyum, 31 mars 2012 - 12:32 .

[Silvren555]

DA2 was so so, when I played it I'd already heard all the complaints so wasnt a big issue, the arcade style combat and rehashed environments were a little tedious.
ME 3 set itself on a pedestal and it was still sitting firmly on it until that last 10 minutes, and that is the massive disappointment, because until then, minor quibbles aside, it did pretty much everything it was promised to do.

[emperoralku]

Both games fall into the same trap for me. They both improve on combat mechanics and polish on their set pieces. However this is at the expense of variety. Both games felt really small and constricted when compared to their predecessors and very linear.

DA2's biggest issue imo was the horrendously lazy re used maps. It was something that truly made the game feel cheep and rushed.

ME3 lacked real side missions. Sending a probe is NOT a side mission. N7 missions felt really tacked on without any story. It was just a case of "here have some combat on a multiplayer map" I also won't go into the ending debacle.

Both games did somethings really well but disappointed me over all because of what they sacrificed.

[qdust]

 ME3 was a much much bigger let down.  The only thing wrong with DA2 was what was missing from it.  In other words I liked what was there, but I wish there was more of it.

The ending of ME3 was actually bad Bad BAD.  It destroyed the entire game and damaged the rest of the series.

[Total Biscuit]

I only played Dragon Age because it was like Mass Effect. I actually quite liked DA2, even though it was a far less well made game than Origins.

ME3's ending not only ruined the entire series, but Dragon Age for me too. I just can't bring myself to even think about Bioware games without feeling angry and heartbroken.

[LolaLei]

I guess for me ME3 was a bigger let down, purely because I loved 99% of it and for it to fail in the last 5 minutes I really hadn't expected... my reaction was pure nerd rage, especially as I'd been playing with Shepard for 3 games, I'd wanted to send the crew and him/her out with a decent send off. With DA2 it was a brand new character and the whole thing was a bit of a let down in comparison to DA:O. I wasn't as emotionally invested in DA2 it as I was with ME and DA:O.

Modifié par LolaLei, 31 mars 2012 - 12:41 .

[orangesonic]

for me ME3 is a great game despite it`s ending but i can`t say the same thing about DA2...

DA2 was the worst Bioware game i have ever played... the smash-the-button-until-your-controller-breaks combat system, to the poor story, and the looks-all-the-same scenario... like it wasn`t a bioware game... even if some characters were funny, not worth replaying or buying any DLC

[Kilshrek]

simfamSP wrote...

It's like Star Wars ending with Jar Jar Binks killing Luke Skywalker and Han Solo running of with Leia and bombing Endor for no good reason.

Me'sa no liking you Jedi. *pew pew* You! Female! You'sa mine!

*bombs Endor*

Art!

Roger Ebert would cry tears of joy, no doubt.

[Chuvvy]

While DA2 was the worse game, ME3 was the bigger let down.