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Bioware's misstep with Tali's face has far larger consequences.


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cutegigi

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raizathestorm wrote...

I don't know why I keep coming to these threads. I STILL feel like people are making a huge deal out of what amounts to next to nothing.


diffrent people put diffrent immportance to diffrent things. One man's meat is another man's poison
For you this may be something that amount to next to nothing. For me, this shows how much Bioware care about quality, about detail.
You are free tou disagree of course. 

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durasteel wrote...

I don't mind the photoshopped image, and I think their concept of Quarians is better than any of the fan art concepts I've seen. The problem I have is with the quality of the photoshopping. It is very, very obviously a rush job.

To do it right, they would have to get a model (maybe Liz/Ash Sroka) in, do some practical makeup on her (for the markings and reference markers for the digital effects,) then take the picture and photoshop in a background that looks like Rannoch (maybe New Mexico or Kenya) and the more alien features, like tridactyl hands.

If that had done it that way, no one would be objecting, I think.


I give this idea my talimancer seal of approval :wizard:

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Why would they model chobot, but not Tali who is one of the fav squadmates of ME? seriously why?

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What the hell is it with people and the idea, "if you want to make it sexy, stick head tentacles on it" ?

You know what, instead of hair, which is kind of a human cop out, or head tentacles which have been done to the death by Asari and Bib Fortuna and Twileks, give her feathers instead of hair. I realise Turians have sort of an avian design, but I would be quite intrigued and plesantly surprised if Quarians under all that sort of conservative garb were really colourful and exotic bird-of-paradise like in construction.

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Stonesoundjam wrote...

What the hell is it with people and the idea, "if you want to make it sexy, stick head tentacles on it" ?

You know what, instead of hair, which is kind of a human cop out, or head tentacles which have been done to the death by Asari and Bib Fortuna and Twileks, give her feathers instead of hair. I realise Turians have sort of an avian design, but I would be quite intrigued and plesantly surprised if Quarians under all that sort of conservative garb were really colourful and exotic bird-of-paradise like in construction.

Only the Asari have tentacles, whoever or whatever else you mentioned is irrelevant really.

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1- Miranda would make a sexy blonde
2- I have come to terms with Tali's look and my final judgement is a thumbs up
3-Cannot unsee Liara next to her voice actor...J/K shes fine :lol:

Modifié par Dendio1, 02 avril 2012 - 02:35 .


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huntsman2310 wrote...

Grunt mentions that a Quarian takes effort to stab, as you have to twist the knife through their plates first.


When does Grunt say this? He says you have to work the knife a bit to cut a Turians spin but never talks about Quarians.

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Tom Lehrer wrote...

huntsman2310 wrote...

Grunt mentions that a Quarian takes effort to stab, as you have to twist the knife through their plates first.


When does Grunt say this? He says you have to work the knife a bit to cut a Turians spin but never talks about Quarians.

Actually he does.

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Stonesoundjam wrote...

What the hell is it with people and the idea, "if you want to make it sexy, stick head tentacles on it" ?

You know what, instead of hair, which is kind of a human cop out, or head tentacles which have been done to the death by Asari and Bib Fortuna and Twileks, give her feathers instead of hair. I realise Turians have sort of an avian design, but I would be quite intrigued and plesantly surprised if Quarians under all that sort of conservative garb were really colourful and exotic bird-of-paradise like in construction.


I just kinda wanted to see something unique from the other species.  Granted they needed to keep with the canon that was built from in game dialogue and codex entries.

But I agree, throwing tentacles on something doesn't make it better.

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Bioware just got lazy and couldn't spend an hour modeling a head.

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Legendaryred wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

huntsman2310 wrote...

Grunt mentions that a Quarian takes effort to stab, as you have to twist the knife through their plates first.


When does Grunt say this? He says you have to work the knife a bit to cut a Turians spin but never talks about Quarians.

Actually he does.


When and where does Grunt talk about the Quarians having plates?

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Tom Lehrer wrote...

Legendaryred wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

huntsman2310 wrote...

Grunt mentions that a Quarian takes effort to stab, as you have to twist the knife through their plates first.


When does Grunt say this? He says you have to work the knife a bit to cut a Turians spin but never talks about Quarians.

Actually he does.


When and where does Grunt talk about the Quarians having plates?


"Humans, Salarians, Asari...all soft.  Turians and Quarians?  Not so much.  You have to work the blade..."

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Hendrik.III wrote...

Seriously, since this was the last installment, it wouldn't have hurt for them to show us Tali without her helmet, smiling on Rannoch and talking to Shepard instead of a lazy pic when she dies.


THIS

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this really bothers me. all that time modeling chobot for the most useless character in the series should had been spent putting an effort into Tali's face. unforgivable!!

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alextremo wrote...

this really bothers me. all that time modeling chobot for the most useless character in the series should had been spent putting an effort into Tali's face. unforgivable!!


Honestly, ME3 felt like Bioware wanted to appeal to the new player and ignored their main fanbase. Did anyone actually care for Chobot or Vega?

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I didnt mind what she looked like, just hated that it was a stock image. That, and that they didnt even touch up her hand correctly. It's a different shape that Tali's character model

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See the thing is, they still could of gotten away with a photo if they didn't go with the stockphoto and came up with something unique from their artists, they would just have to figure out a way to make it work with the engine and basically design it from there, just the face, no need for body or anything more.

They took the easy/lazy route because they wanted to please the Tali fans (plus the obvious rushed cut and paste segments in the rest of the game), when do they not listen to you guys and gals? Backfired like a **** though, oh well.

Plus I agree with the whole mysterious vibe of the Quarians... now I just picture a human with unique eyes and nothing really alien - Bioware could of really gone to town with this... would of been interesting to see what could of been.  

Modifié par spiros9110, 02 avril 2012 - 04:33 .


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appleyum wrote...

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They say a picture is worth 1000 words, and this pretty much sums up my thoughts when I saw the photo in the game.  If they wanted to just photoshop a image of somebody...

Modifié par ForceXev, 02 avril 2012 - 04:36 .


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Silvair wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Legendaryred wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

huntsman2310 wrote...

Grunt mentions that a Quarian takes effort to stab, as you have to twist the knife through their plates first.


When does Grunt say this? He says you have to work the knife a bit to cut a Turians spin but never talks about Quarians.

Actually he does.


When and where does Grunt talk about the Quarians having plates?


"Humans, Salarians, Asari...all soft.  Turians and Quarians?  Not so much.  You have to work the blade..."


Didnt it say some where that turians and quarians have a very simular make since they are both dextro's? i thought that at least Tail would have kinda a metalic skin, not a human face with 3 fingers and a few grooves on her neck

Edit: also, if they where gonna photo shop a person's face, it should of been Tali's voice actor. Dont know her name but her face just seems to "fit" perfectly into tail's voice and personality

"you did help me reclaim my planet didnt you? its time i returned the fav."  Never knew some one could say something badass but playful like and make me giggle like a school girl

Modifié par Yorkston9152, 02 avril 2012 - 04:41 .


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The face issue was a "screwed if you do, screwed if you don't." No matter what they did, enough people would be angry.

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Silvair wrote...
"Humans, Salarians, Asari...all soft.  Turians and Quarians?  Not so much.  You have to work the blade..."

No, here is the actual quote:


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This one wonders if all are aware of the mod to change the quarian's photo. This one will provide a link, there are many photo's involved.

http://social.biowar...ect/8075/#files

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The laziness of the whole "Tali's Face" thing is just one of the many issues that makes me think Bioware's attitude towards ME3 was "its the last ME game, so we really just don't care".

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Tom Lehrer wrote...

Legendaryred wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

huntsman2310 wrote...

Grunt mentions that a Quarian takes effort to stab, as you have to twist the knife through their plates first.


When does Grunt say this? He says you have to work the knife a bit to cut a Turians spin but never talks about Quarians.

Actually he does.


When and where does Grunt talk about the Quarians having plates?


He doesn't. I just played that scene in ME2 yesterday.

He says something along those lines:
"Humans, Asari, Salarians - all soft.
Quarians - not so much.
Turians - you'll have to work the blade."

So he just states, that Quarians are not as soft as Humans, Salarians and Asari.
This might be due to their suits.

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wesr wrote...

Bioware just got lazy and couldn't spend an hour modeling a head.


The reason that was given was that if they made a model for her, people would mod the game so that she was never wearing a face mask. I can't say that I blame them, but it would have been a really cool moment to show her face on Rannoch. They really missed out on that one.