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[Legbiter]

It's a kinder solution than I'd have preferred. I'd have just photoshopped the Predator alien and called it a day.

[SovereignX6]

I thought the picture looked fine. But i think they did go lazy with it, well kinda. I mean i probably too wouldn't have know where to go with it. I would obviously show it but i wouldn't know how. I guess the best they can TRY to do is just give a LEGIT peek instead of another picture. I got over with it. Just how i got over with the ending. It showed Reality to me.

[Crazyjeffy]

Check my signature for how she got the picture taken

And the photoshop isn't a bad picture, I just want an in-game model.

[OblivionDawn]

huntsman2310 wrote...

So all of the Talimancers out there (including me) now know what is finally under the mask of everyone's favourite Quarian.

Long story short you don't actually see it on her, you see it on a photo of  her. And its a photoshopped stock image.

Now I'm sure that they would have had the appearance of the Quarians nailed down early on in the franchise, but that isn't what this is about.

Specifically unveiling Tali's face also unveiled the Quarian people's mystique. I mean she is the literal face of the Quarian people.

The problem with that is that due to an unsatisfying and lazy job on handling Tali's face, they've accidentally created a problem with the other Quarians as well.

In actual fact I think it completely countermands the descriptions of Quarians by others as well.

Grunt mentions that a Quarian takes effort to stab, as you have to twist the knife through their plates first.

Javik says that even back then Quarians were regarded as very attractive, possibly more so then the Asari.

Also doesn't make sense once you look at Tali herself.

behind her visor, she has glowing eyes, might be because of the visor but we don't know. She also has some very sharp features to her. And doesn't appear to have long hair either.

Sorry I'm just saying that someone missed up bigtime at Bioware. They better not the second time.

Meh, I couldn't care less about the stock image.

To me, the Quarians will always be the mysterious masked race.

[lillitheris]

I don't like the quarians looking exactly like humans, and that's what this is. Exactly. Like. The codex states quarians look most similar to humans - because they have hair! - not the same as humans. There's a whole lot that fits inbetween the hanar, turians, krogans and humans.

So, this is a twofold insult:

1. Lazy fanservice adding a human beauty pageant contestant picture rather than spending any time trying to differentiate them at least a little bit (which is all the more bizarre given the concept art from “The Art of Mass Effect Universe”); and

2. The absolute abandonment of craftmanship by just grabbing some vaguely ethnic-looking stock photo and slapping it there with a…not fantastically photoshopped hand.

(3. When did Tali even have the opportunity to take that photo? She's lived on ships all her life, except later Rannoch - and they could have just done the reveal there. Ah, well, she probably just photoshopped herself a background.)


Edit: you can see the concept art doing an image search for “art of mass effect universe quarian”. I don't want to link, since they're probably…unofficial scans.

Edit2: I'll just hold the 4th version as my canon, combined with the perfectly captured character in that one fan picture of a shyly smiling Tali with just the visor removed.

Modifié par lillitheris, 31 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[MadCat221]

OPer, Grunt said nothing about scales. All he said was "Quarians... not so much", referring to how humans, salarians, and asari are "soft". He could have been referring to the suits, he could have been referring to higher muscle density... who knows?

And lastly... if that picture was taken on Rannoch... how did she de-helmet-ify her hair so quickly before heading back?

Modifié par MadCat221, 31 mars 2012 - 04:43 .

[Pallid]

OblivionDawn wrote...
To me, the Quarians will always be the mysterious masked race.

Yeah, head canon for the resque.

[Welsh Inferno]

Head canon FTW. That lazy photoshopped face of the Quarians never existed.

[Harley_Dude]

If they ever appear in DLC or a new game I'm sure they will get the Qunari treatment.

[Welsh Inferno]

The Harley Dude wrote...

If they ever appear in DLC or a new game I'm sure they will get the Qunari treatment.

With the current endings. Any ME game is likely to be a prequel, so any Quarians will still be masked completely. BW has missed their chance.

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Gerudan wrote...

Bioware missed the most obvious opportunity to show us Tali's face, when she takes of her mask on Rannoch. They could have made a very good moment awesome with this, but they didn't.

I'm sure that's what they originally were planning, however due to time constraints they couldn't.  This is reinforced by the fact she takes off her helmet in both scenarios.

EDIT: What I wouldn't give to see that in-game though...

Modifié par ZiegenkonigIII, 31 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[Ricvenart]

Acidrain92 wrote...
also wasnt it taken on Rannoch? Or do you get the picture before Rannoch?

Funny you mock his question.

When Shepard was killing a reaper, she popped to Rannoch's local GAP bought a shawl and took a picture, is it?
Taken in a natural environment, clearly not wearing a suit at all and yet in 2 she admits they rarely take them off even on ships, that alone can make them ill.

The fact it's a photoshop isn't bad in itself, its bad because no thought has gone into it at all. The Image at best should have been one of many quickly knocked out designs which they select the best from and put more work into them, repeating til they have one left and then make a proper design out of it. Doing this would get you a failing grade in a course and sure as hell shouldn't pass in a paying job.

[DiTHmaphacks]

What is funny for me is that a company wastes more time on the Company Logo at Startup than creating the face of an entire race and an important character.Something is going wrong over there.

[Rockpopple]

huntsman2310 wrote...

So all of the Talimancers out there (including me) now know what is finally under the mask of everyone's favourite Quarian.

Long story short you don't actually see it on her, you see it on a photo of  her. And its a photoshopped stock image.

Now I'm sure that they would have had the appearance of the Quarians nailed down early on in the franchise, but that isn't what this is about.

Specifically unveiling Tali's face also unveiled the Quarian people's mystique. I mean she is the literal face of the Quarian people.

The problem with that is that due to an unsatisfying and lazy job on handling Tali's face, they've accidentally created a problem with the other Quarians as well.

In actual fact I think it completely countermands the descriptions of Quarians by others as well.

Grunt mentions that a Quarian takes effort to stab, as you have to twist the knife through their plates first.

Javik says that even back then Quarians were regarded as very attractive, possibly more so then the Asari.

Also doesn't make sense once you look at Tali herself.

behind her visor, she has glowing eyes, might be because of the visor but we don't know. She also has some very sharp features to her. And doesn't appear to have long hair either.

Sorry I'm just saying that someone missed up bigtime at Bioware. They better not the second time.

Grunt never said nothin' about no plates. You should watch the quotes again. All he said was "Quarians, not so much" (in response to how soft the other races were). Nothing about plates, scales or any such thing.

She seems to have glowing eyes in her photo too, so I don't know what the big deal is.

In ME2, there are a few Quarians that you can get a really good look at through their mask. It's all still shadows still, but more contours of their face is revealed. You can clearly see that even then, they had a very human-like profile, including the nose and jawline.

So could BioWare have gone in a more alien-like appearance? Yes, but with everything we know about the Quarians in canon, they could have easily gone with a more human-like appearance too, which is what they did. 

[aliengmr1]

One of the devs (I forget who) said they wanted to not show Tali's face in order to preserve the mystery.

Ok, if they were serious about it, I can accept it. Sure its not ideal but I can live with that. But, then we get this photo. The photo itself was fine, but it doesn't look like it took any more than 5 minutes worth of Photoshop to make it. I think it would have been more respectful to Tali fans if they had either; stuck to their guns and not revealed her at all or actually put the effort in to a full reveal. The sort of half-assed way it was done was just cheap fan service. It felt as though they just didn't take what the fans wanted seriously. Meaning, they didn't consider the feedback important enough to even flat out disagree with it. Instead it feels like it was a token gesture that took maybe a half an hour to decide and implement just to quiet the fans.

Its nit-picky, yes, but if "artistic integrity" was so important then Tali fans deserved it to be applied one way or the other here. Granted I wouldn't have wanted them to halt development for a little fan service, but knowing they cared enough to consider the question seriously would have been more resepectful IMO. And even if they wanted a reveal but didn't because timing wouldn't allow them to do it properly would have showed a bit more respect too.

[The Fazzle]

I'm ok with what she looked like. Would I have preferred she look a little more alien, yes, but what bothers me the most is the sheer lack of effort put into it. I know they said it was tought decision on whether or not they wanted to show her face, but if your going to do it, go all out. It's the final game, Tali has a HUGE fan base, why not make the effort to render her in game. All the other races were extremely well done, why resort to a lazy photoshop for one of the main characters from the beginning. Just...so much laziness it boggles my mind =\\

[Vespervin]

I would have preferred to never see what the Quarians looked like, it leaves that mystery there. Like how we don't know what species Yoda is from Star Wars.

But, I'm glad to the Quarians look human.

[thefallen2far]

appleyum wrote...

The part I don't understand is if they were going to use a human picture why they didn't just use Ash Sroka? All other female love interest's face are base off of their voice actor's looks

I actually agree with this, mostly because Ash is really cute. 

I think this is too ambivilent an issue.  Show the picture, some people are upset.  Show her talking, some people are upset.  Never show her at all, some people are upset.  I don't think the picture really ruined anything and maybe showing her face in rendering would have been extremely difficult.... I will say that I actually like the subtlety of just a picture.  If it was a stock photo that was photoshopped, I still liked the angle, lighting and style of the photo itself, so personally, I was okay with it.

[arthurhallam]

i don't them to change anything about the quarians, picture included. everyone i've spoken to who doesn't use this forum likes it.

i'm afraid the haters are in the minority on this one.

[arthurhallam]

thefallen2far wrote...

appleyum wrote...

The part I don't understand is if they were going to use a human picture why they didn't just use Ash Sroka? All other female love interest's face are base off of their voice actor's looks

I actually agree with this, mostly because Ash is really cute. 

I think this is too ambivilent an issue.  Show the picture, some people are upset.  Show her talking, some people are upset.  Never show her at all, some people are upset.  I don't think the picture really ruined anything and maybe showing her face in rendering would have been extremely difficult.... I will say that I actually like the subtlety of just a picture.  If it was a stock photo that was photoshopped, I still liked the angle, lighting and style of the photo itself, so personally, I was okay with it.

WHAT? liara is based on this woman http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0615050/ not ali hillis

Modifié par arthurhallam, 31 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[Welsh Inferno]

arthurhallam wrote...

i don't them to change anything about the quarians, picture included. everyone i've spoken to who doesn't use this forum likes it.

i'm afraid the haters are in the minority on this one.

Everyone of my friends think it's a lazy cop out.

Uh oh's, I guess were all just "haters" without a valid opinion 

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 31 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[Arthorius]

I love the fact that Javik found Tali attractive. It must be because of her four reptilian eyes, her lovely chitin and her lack of fur.

Oh wait...

Plot holes. Plot holes, everywhere.

Modifié par Arthorius, 31 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[arthurhallam]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

arthurhallam wrote...

i don't them to change anything about the quarians, picture included. everyone i've spoken to who doesn't use this forum likes it.

i'm afraid the haters are in the minority on this one.

Everyone of my friends think it's a lazy cop out.

Uh oh's..

well they'll just have to leave it the way it is then. 

i'm sorry, but being vocal & angry about something doesn't mean it should be changed. 

you can't assume everybody will go with it. 

put it this way, i'd be very freaking unhappy if they released an updated & totally different tali face (they won't) because of some poll on this forum. 

[Arturia Pendragon]

My biggest complaint about the image is that it is of a real-life person, instead of an in-game person. Had they just used the photo for the basis of an in-game model, I doubt anyone would have really even noticed.

[The Fazzle]

arthurhallam wrote...

i don't them to change anything about the quarians, picture included. everyone i've spoken to who doesn't use this forum likes it.

i'm afraid the haters are in the minority on this one.

I'm certainly not expecting them to change it, and I'll agree that those upset about it are in the minority. I'm just surprised at the lack of effort that was put into revealing one of their main characters when compared to rest, and even when compared to new characters, such as Allers.