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[Arkley]

Can someone link me to the weapon stats table? I may have bad info/be remembering it wrong, but I checked it after they buffed the Talon a few days ago and I'm all but certain I remember it having worse damage than the Paladin.

If I'm remembering it incorrectly and it is as powerful as is implied on this thread, then I withdraw my assertions about it.

As for the Claymore, it's not a bad gun. Yeah, it's not as powerful as the GPS (or Graal, in the hands of someone who can manage projectile lag) but calling attention to that is more likely to get the GPS nerfed than the Claymore buffed.

[Atheosis]

Rofl a wet sock wrote...

A good thread, 3 things outstanding to me.
Hornet: Yes, what you said hit the nail on the head.
Viper: Wrong. That gun may get outclassed by the carnifex, but it is nowhere near being a bad gun.
Eviscerator: Good gun IF you know how to use it, especially with a Salarian Inf.

If the Viper is clearly outclassed by another very similar gun in virtually every way, it's a gun that has no place, and therefore it's a bad gun.  The Viper has no role in the game presently for anyone who has unlocked any of three comparable guns (Saber, Paladin, and Carnifex).  Seriously it doesn't beat any of those guns in any significant area, while being utterly destroyed by them in most of the important measurements.  It also is no where close in overall quality to any of the other sniper rifles not named Incisor.

[Atheosis]

Arkley wrote...

Can someone link me to the weapon stats table? I may have bad info/be remembering it wrong, but I checked it after they buffed the Talon a few days ago and I'm all but certain I remember it having worse damage than the Paladin.

If I'm remembering it incorrectly and it is as powerful as is implied on this thread, then I withdraw my assertions about it.

As for the Claymore, it's not a bad gun. Yeah, it's not as powerful as the GPS (or Graal, in the hands of someone who can manage projectile lag) but calling attention to that is more likely to get the GPS nerfed than the Claymore buffed.

It has nearly identical DPS while doing considerably more per shot.  Obviously the Paladin has greater range and accuracy, and is the better gun overall, but the Talon does fit certain niches better than the Paladin.  I don't have the link to the weapon charts at the moment, but I am certain of this.

[TLK Spires]

the falcon is an embarrassing piece of ****, too.

[robarcool]

They buffed the damage. Does it still perform that bad?

[Arkley]

Atheosis wrote...

Arkley wrote...

Can someone link me to the weapon stats table? I may have bad info/be remembering it wrong, but I checked it after they buffed the Talon a few days ago and I'm all but certain I remember it having worse damage than the Paladin.

If I'm remembering it incorrectly and it is as powerful as is implied on this thread, then I withdraw my assertions about it.

As for the Claymore, it's not a bad gun. Yeah, it's not as powerful as the GPS (or Graal, in the hands of someone who can manage projectile lag) but calling attention to that is more likely to get the GPS nerfed than the Claymore buffed.

It has nearly identical DPS while doing considerably more per shot.  Obviously the Paladin has greater range and accuracy, and is the better gun overall, but the Talon does fit certain niches better than the Paladin.  I don't have the link to the weapon charts at the moment, but I am certain of this.

Like I said, I admit I may be remembering it wrong, but I'm sure that the total damage of the Talon's buckshot was less than that of a single bullet from a Paladin of equal level. I'm not trying to argue with you at all and I'm ready to admit that you're right if you are, I'm just explaining why I'm not just taking anyone's word for it; I use the Paladin on a few of my caster classes, but my group (and I myself) are casual players, so we tend to end up in close proximity to the enemy whether we like it or not on gold. That means that if the Talon really does pump out more damage per shot than the Paladin, it would be a superior choice for me. I just don't want to take it into a gold game if it turns out it actually doesn't inflict more damage per shot, as it would restrict my ranged combat abilities for nothing.

Modifié par Arkley, 31 mars 2012 - 10:43 .

[Cheezer]

They could just give people the valkyrie, that gun destroys

[Fyurian2]

Atheosis wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Evi and Tempest are fine. Tempest is nothing like Locust.

And, this list needs more Scimitar. Heavy and its touted rapid-fire feature from before is nonexistant. No reason to take it over any other shotgun, and I don't see anyone ever wielding it either.

I could definitely get behind a buff for the Scimitar, though I've used it to moderate success on Gold.

Mk10 Katana and Scimitar weigh the same.
Scimitar has faster RoF than Katana, more ammo per clip and spare ammo. It just doesn't do as much damage and isn't as accurate. Good trade off.
If you're using more than one weapon, they're decent middle-ground weapons. Until I get my Disciple upgraded beyond Mk1, I'm not going to be using it in place of either of those.

Veteran packs are a good way of upgrading Scimitar, just as Recruit ones are good for upgrading Katana.

SMGs and all but three assault rifles could do with a big boost though.
The three that don't imo are Revenant, Phaeston and Saber.

Revenant's a good damage weapon at close to mid ranges, and Phaeston's greater accuracy makes it good for medium to long range, at less damage than Revenant. Plus, its lighter weight makes it a good choice for Sentinels and not taking another weapon.

On a side note, using Revenant with Mk5 stability mod on a non-Turian Soldier is perfectly viable for Silver & Bronze and probably Gold, if you're not spraying away beyond it's effective range.
Of course, AP/Disruptor/Inferno ammo are great on it too.

[Feneckus]

SinerAthin wrote...

It sounds very unfair that no one except the Turian could ever wield the Revenant efficiently...

That reeks of bad weapon design.

Why ?

classes/Races should be here for a reason.

No one is better with a sniper rifle than an infiltrator, is that bad weapon design ? 

In Battlefield 3, only engineers can carry a Rocket launcher. Is that bad weapon design ?

And Turian Soldiers actually have to spend skill points to be able to wield a Revenant efficiently, so how is that unfair ?

[fallingseraph]

Feneckus wrote...

SinerAthin wrote...

It sounds very unfair that no one except the Turian could ever wield the Revenant efficiently...

That reeks of bad weapon design.

Why ?

classes/Races should be here for a reason.

No one is better with a sniper rifle than an infiltrator, is that bad weapon design ? 

In Battlefield 3, only engineers can carry a Rocket launcher. Is that bad weapon design ?

And Turian Soldiers actually have to spend skill points to be able to wield a Revenant efficiently, so how is that unfair ?

This isn't BF3 this is ME3 and there are 20 other characters to play in Multiplayer than turian.

[Feneckus]

fallingseraph wrote...

This isn't BF3 this is ME3 and there are 20 other characters to play in Multiplayer than turian.

So choose another weapon then. What's so bad about having a gun that only a particular race/class can use ?

IMO, they should have taken it even further. In Mass Effect 2, we were told only krogans could use the Claymore shotgun, and yet Salarians can use it just fine now. 

[Torguemada]

Arkley wrote...

Can someone link me to the weapon stats table? I may have bad info/be remembering it wrong, but I checked it after they buffed the Talon a few days ago and I'm all but certain I remember it having worse damage than the Paladin.

docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub
There you go.(hope that works)

[OhPa2]

I would like to see the weapons do more damage. I'm getting tired of having to shoot the crap out of a minion to kill it. Just my two cents. Maybe a new series of weapons could be introduced. Each player can choose to carry them or not.

[squidney2k1]

Atheosis wrote...

squidney2k1 wrote...

 Not bad, TC. But I have 2 additions:


12. Raptor
This is supposed to be a Sniper Rifle with the rate of fire and low-powered scope of a semi-automatic Assault Rifle. The problem? Those semi-automatic assault rifles have less recoil and do more damage than the Raptor.
Solution: Increase the damage by 25% (it should at least be more than the Mattock). Increase reload time by 50% (reload is already too fast).

13. Claymore
The mother of all Shotguns? Not really. While it looks great on paper with it's high damage, it's range, firing speed, ammo count, and weight are all eclipsed by the Geth Pulse Shotgun. And the kicker? A charged GPS shot will actually do more damage than the Claymore upclose, and you can get off 2 shots by the time the Claymore reloads the first.
Solution: Increase the damage by 20%. This weapon is supposed to be THE ultimate in-your-face gun, but it's outclassed in so many ways that it's hardly worth equiping.

The Raptor and Claymore are both very respectable guns.  The Raptor has some of the highest DPS in the game (while being exceptionally accurate--and I have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to recoil), and the Claymore is unholy on certain characters.  

Oh and no, the GPS's charged shot does not do more damage than the Claymore up close.

Claymore Dmg = 167.6 - 206.0 (* 8) = 1340.8 - 1648
GPS Dmg = 714.2 - 892.7 (*1.6) * (1.2 head modifier) = 1142.72 - 1428.32 / 1370.4 - 1713.98

Within 10 ft, all projectiles will hit the head, giving max damage multiplier for Shotguns, whereas the Claymore will not. The spread of the Claymore (w/o Choke) means that on a Geth for example, the shot at the head must come within 1.2 ft in order to receive max damage multiplier, and just like all shotguns, the multiplier caps at 3 projectiles (meaning not all 8 pellets will get the 1.2 multiplier, but only the first 3). Therefore on paper the Claymore does more damage, but in practice and application, the GPS does more (*Credit to Jarret from Bioware on the clarification).


And as for the Raptor, it's not a bad gun at all. But the only thing it offers over the Mattock--besides looking much cooler--is a built-in scope and a very minimal ROF increase. The recoil of a scoped Mattock is the same, plus it does much more damage after the buff.

[TheLostGenius]

The Hurricane is my favorite. I have Hurricane and solo gold with it constantly because im a very amzing person.

[Sabresandiego]

Are you taking suggestions into consideration? Because I dont see any edits into your original post.

[screamin_jesus]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 This list is a total failure. These guns are perfectly fine. Especially the Revenant and Evi.

Care to elaborate beyond a single sentence?  I've usd all these guns extensively, and I stand by my takes on them.  You seem to almsot be saying weapon balance overall in this game is good.  That can't possibly be your take.  Can it? 

Let me state it then.

This game is perfectly balanced. Any opinion you have on these guns is wrong. The Revenant and Evi especially don't need a buff. Leave the balance to the guys who made the game.

Are you trolling? No multiplayer game is "perfectly balanced", and me3 is no exception, stop fooling yourself.

And you can't just go around spouting that someone's opinion is "wrong, like its a fact. It makes you look like a tool. 

[Ediblestarfish]

Well it's pretty simple. Almost everyone uses a powerful, slower firing weapon at the moment when things get serious, so it would be helpful if they used that as a benchmark to keep the other weapon options balanced around.

Right now there seems to be too much disparity between the most used favorites and the other mediocre weapons that struggle to find much use besides as an odd extra flavor.

[MercenaryNo]

Hmm, I almost always use the Phaeston as a soldier. I have IV right now I believe. IMO It's reliable, accurate, and just barely does less damage than the Avenger X, which the fire rate and accuracy easily makes up for. Perhaps I'm doing it wrong?

[Silvair]

Or...yaknow....quit worrying about which guns are "better" and just use the ones you like.

I'd hate for all the guns to suddenly be equal.  Then there'd be no point to there being different guns.

And did he seriously compare the Viper, a rapid fire sniper, to the Carnifax, a single shot pistol?  That's so far beyond the realm of possible comparisons that it got ridiculous.

[okita_luc]

Can GPS kill a phantom on gold with one shot like a Claymore?

[pacientK]

Overall good point but... Viper is great actually. Are you seriously comparing basic weapon which is ****** easy to max out to Carnifex which is hell to max out and weights a ton for a pistol. Viper is good basic weapon which serves well in silver which is exactly what it is for.

[Atheosis]

pacientK wrote...

Overall good point but... Viper is great actually. Are you seriously comparing basic weapon which is ****** easy to max out to Carnifex which is hell to max out and weights a ton for a pistol. Viper is good basic weapon which serves well in silver which is exactly what it is for.

Viper X vs Carnifex I, the Carnifex is still better in pretty much every way.  And again, rarity is not supposed to determine quality so much as exclusiveness.  All guns ideally should be viable choices.

[Atheosis]

Silvair wrote...

Or...yaknow....quit worrying about which guns are "better" and just use the ones you like.

I'd hate for all the guns to suddenly be equal.  Then there'd be no point to there being different guns.

And did he seriously compare the Viper, a rapid fire sniper, to the Carnifax, a single shot pistol?  That's so far beyond the realm of possible comparisons that it got ridiculous.

I'm sorry, but have you used a Viper and a Carnifex?  The Carnifex has six rounds just like the Viper, but shoots faster and does more damage per round.  Seriously, you think the Carnifex is a single shot weapon?

[Atheosis]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Are you taking suggestions into consideration? Because I dont see any edits into your original post.

No, I'm not editing my post.  Peopler have their own ideas, and I'd love to discuss them.  But I'm not wanting to create some kind of community wishlist.

Modifié par Atheosis, 01 avril 2012 - 08:00 .