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[Atheosis]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

viper is underused, but it doesn't suck for a silver weapon.

I like to compare the viper X to the valiant I
which I think is fair because viper X is a silver weapon, and easy to get to X.

10% less damage
6 round vs 3 round clip
same reload speed
slower firing rate
weighs about half as much as the valiant I.

it's pretty competitive.

As for the hornet, I think it'll be good once lightweigh materials is added.
the recoil is extremely mangeable IF you are in cover.

There seems to be a lingering misconception that a weapon's rarity or lack thereof should have anything to do with its overall viability.  Exclusivity does not equal quality in this game.  All guns are supposed to be viable options ideally.  The Viper is not.  And comparing it to the Valiant?  Are you kidding me?  The Valiant fires considerably faster and does roughly 30% more damage per shot (twice as much burst DPS in fact).  And the Valiant's reload time is so trivial that the Viper's increased capacity means almost nothing.  Oh and the Valiant has much less recoil just to add insult to injury. 

My proposed improvements to the Viper took into account all the sniper rifles and pistols, and I still stand by my opinion that it needs a 30-40% damage buff to be worth a crap relative to it competition, especially on Gold.  That or it needs a consderable RoF increase.

[TexasToast712]

Fieryeel wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 This list is a total failure. These guns are perfectly fine. Especially the Revenant and Evi.

Care to elaborate beyond a single sentence?  I've usd all these guns extensively, and I stand by my takes on them.  You seem to almsot be saying weapon balance overall in this game is good.  That can't possibly be your take.  Can it? 

Let me state it then.

This game is perfectly balanced. Any opinion you have on these guns is wrong. The Revenant and Evi especially don't need a buff. Leave the balance to the guys who made the game.

And you still didn't elaborate....

Everything is fine, leave everything to devs so far gave us ME3 ending and DA2 ;>

Feedback is appreciated everywhere, if you got your own opinion about balance - share it.

He's an infamous troll here.

Just look at his posts, he enjoys coming into balance thread topics claiming the game is perfectly fine and we are the ones who suck.

In my whole entire time of being a BSN'er, I have never been banned, warned, or reprimanded for trolling. I'm not a troll. If anyone is breaking any rules it is the OP as he just necro'd his thread.

[Atheosis]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Fieryeel wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 This list is a total failure. These guns are perfectly fine. Especially the Revenant and Evi.

Care to elaborate beyond a single sentence?  I've usd all these guns extensively, and I stand by my takes on them.  You seem to almsot be saying weapon balance overall in this game is good.  That can't possibly be your take.  Can it? 

Let me state it then.

This game is perfectly balanced. Any opinion you have on these guns is wrong. The Revenant and Evi especially don't need a buff. Leave the balance to the guys who made the game.

And you still didn't elaborate....

Everything is fine, leave everything to devs so far gave us ME3 ending and DA2 ;>

Feedback is appreciated everywhere, if you got your own opinion about balance - share it.

He's an infamous troll here.

Just look at his posts, he enjoys coming into balance thread topics claiming the game is perfectly fine and we are the ones who suck.

In my whole entire time of being a BSN'er, I have never been banned, warned, or reprimanded for trolling. I'm not a troll. If anyone is breaking any rules it is the OP as he just necro'd his thread.

If you've never gotten any kind of warnings or the like while you've been here it only really speaks to a weak moderator presence.  That or your constant BW fanboyism gives you a pass.  But by all definitions of internet troll you more than qualify.

[TexasToast712]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Forget you OP, I love my Viper.

*hugs Viper*

Viper is awesome. People who say it sucks don't know how to use it.

[Ozmo]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 This list is a total failure. These guns are perfectly fine. Especially the Revenant and Evi.

Care to elaborate beyond a single sentence?  I've usd all these guns extensively, and I stand by my takes on them.  You seem to almsot be saying weapon balance overall in this game is good.  That can't possibly be your take.  Can it? 

Let me state it then.

This game is perfectly balanced. Any opinion you have on these guns is wrong. The Revenant and Evi especially don't need a buff. Leave the balance to the guys who made the game.

Direct intervention is necessasry.

[Atheosis]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Forget you OP, I love my Viper.

*hugs Viper*

Can I ask you why?  I mean a Carnifex is clearly superior in every category, and the other sniper rifles are much better at acually sniping as well.  Honestly, I'm curious why the Viper of all guns on my list has had the most vocal support.  So can you explain it to me?  Why do you take a gun that is silmultaneously heavier and weaker in nearly every way to a Carnifex?

[Atheosis]

TexasToast712 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Forget you OP, I love my Viper.

*hugs Viper*

Viper is awesome. People who say it sucks don't know how to use it.

But you're not a troll. <_<

[TexasToast712]

Atheosis wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Fieryeel wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 This list is a total failure. These guns are perfectly fine. Especially the Revenant and Evi.

Care to elaborate beyond a single sentence?  I've usd all these guns extensively, and I stand by my takes on them.  You seem to almsot be saying weapon balance overall in this game is good.  That can't possibly be your take.  Can it? 

Let me state it then.

This game is perfectly balanced. Any opinion you have on these guns is wrong. The Revenant and Evi especially don't need a buff. Leave the balance to the guys who made the game.

And you still didn't elaborate....

Everything is fine, leave everything to devs so far gave us ME3 ending and DA2 ;>

Feedback is appreciated everywhere, if you got your own opinion about balance - share it.

He's an infamous troll here.

Just look at his posts, he enjoys coming into balance thread topics claiming the game is perfectly fine and we are the ones who suck.

In my whole entire time of being a BSN'er, I have never been banned, warned, or reprimanded for trolling. I'm not a troll. If anyone is breaking any rules it is the OP as he just necro'd his thread.

If you've never gotten any kind of warnings or the like while you've been here it only really speaks to a weak moderator presence.  That or your constant BW fanboyism gives you a pass.  But by all definitions of internet troll you more than qualify.

The moderators around her crack down really hard. Stanly Woo is one tough dude who plays no games. Your join date speaks to your ignorance.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 04 avril 2012 - 11:39 .

[Atheosis]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Fieryeel wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 This list is a total failure. These guns are perfectly fine. Especially the Revenant and Evi.

Care to elaborate beyond a single sentence?  I've usd all these guns extensively, and I stand by my takes on them.  You seem to almsot be saying weapon balance overall in this game is good.  That can't possibly be your take.  Can it? 

Let me state it then.

This game is perfectly balanced. Any opinion you have on these guns is wrong. The Revenant and Evi especially don't need a buff. Leave the balance to the guys who made the game.

And you still didn't elaborate....

Everything is fine, leave everything to devs so far gave us ME3 ending and DA2 ;>

Feedback is appreciated everywhere, if you got your own opinion about balance - share it.

He's an infamous troll here.

Just look at his posts, he enjoys coming into balance thread topics claiming the game is perfectly fine and we are the ones who suck.

In my whole entire time of being a BSN'er, I have never been banned, warned, or reprimanded for trolling. I'm not a troll. If anyone is breaking any rules it is the OP as he just necro'd his thread.

If you've never gotten any kind of warnings or the like while you've been here it only really speaks to a weak moderator presence.  That or your constant BW fanboyism gives you a pass.  But by all definitions of internet troll you more than qualify.

The moderators around her crack down really hard. Stanly Woo is one tough dude who plays no games. Your join date speaks to your ignorance.

Apparently not when someone's trolling posts are 100% positive towards BW.  

Just so you know, trolling is posting replies to threads that are meant to illicit negative responses while doing nothing to add to the actual discussion.  Looking at every post you've made in this topic, I thus conclude that you are a troll.  If you simply disagreed, you could have posted as much, and then moved along.  But that's not what trolls do.  Trolls continue to linger and post the same crap over and over, without adding anything constructive.  Therefore you are a troll.  Case closed.

[Agenda42]

Atheosis wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Forget you OP, I love my Viper.

*hugs Viper*

Can I ask you why?  I mean a Carnifex is clearly superior in every category, and the other sniper rifles are much better at acually sniping as well.  Honestly, I'm curious why the Viper of all guns on my list has had the most vocal support.  So can you explain it to me?  Why do you take a gun that is silmultaneously heavier and weaker in nearly every way to a Carnifex?

The Viper plays a lot better than it looks on paper.  It's not overkill when you use it on mooks, and the 6 shots per clip and fast reload mean you're spending a lot more time actually killing things compared to the OSOK rifles.

With regard to Carnifex versus Viper, the Salarian Infiltrator will take the Viper because of the bonuses to sniper rifles in Cloak and Operative.

[TexasToast712]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Viper is awesome. People who say it sucks don't know how to use it.

I wish we had the twelve shots still, but I must admit it really isn't necessary.

Also, your sig needs to be a gif. With the rest of that.

12 would be awesome.

Off topic: I do have a gif version. 

[TexasToast712]

Atheosis wrote...

Apparently not when someone's trolling posts are 100% positive towards BW.  

Just so you know, trolling is posting replies to threads that are meant to illicit negative responses while doing nothing to add to the actual discussion.  Looking at every post you've made in this topic, I thus conclude that you are a troll.  If you simply disagreed, you could have posted as much, and then moved along.  But that's not what trolls do.  Trolls continue to linger and post the same crap over and over, without adding anything constructive.  Therefore you are a troll.  Case closed.

No, trolls try to incite retaliation and flaming. I'm not doing that. You seem to be trying very hard though.

[cuzIMgood]

Atheosis wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Forget you OP, I love my Viper.

*hugs Viper*

Can I ask you why?  I mean a Carnifex is clearly superior in every category, and the other sniper rifles are much better at acually sniping as well.  Honestly, I'm curious why the Viper of all guns on my list has had the most vocal support.  So can you explain it to me?  Why do you take a gun that is silmultaneously heavier and weaker in nearly every way to a Carnifex?

I think because it is the fact that the Viper isn't necessarily a bad gun but people don't realize that there is virtually no point of it because it is completely overshadowed by other weapons.

Anyways, I agree with your list of what weapons suck but not exactly on how you propose to fix them.  Basically, you are just making every weapon very similar in dps, accuracy, etc.  I'm not saying I really know how to fix them but I don't think taking the revenant and just increasing its accuracy is a good idea because it won't really be unique anymore.

[alucard579]

4. Viper
[/u]It's simple with the Viper.  The gun is simply outclassed by the Carnifex in every way outside of having more spare shots and an integral scope.  It weighs considerably more, does less damage per shot, and has a slightly lower RoF.  There is virtually no reason to ever use this gun and it shows, seeing as I think I can count on one hand how many times I've seen teammates use it.
[b]Solution: Increase its damage by 40% from 229.4-286.7 to 321.2-401.4.  This may seem like an extreme buff, but it's the only way to make the Viper competive.  It's just that bad right now.

The viper is actually pretty balanced right now, you need to consider the viper is an uncommon with 229.4 base damage and 6 in the clip compared to the N7 valiant at 317.2 base damage and 3 in the clip

your solution for the viper will cause it to outclass the valiant and at level 10 it would easily outclass ant sniper including the black widow

i use the viper 10 on my salarian infiltrator and it owns everything although it is less effective on other classes its what you would expect from an uncommon


damage values taken from:
https://docs.google....JLdXZZVXc#gid=0

Modifié par alucard579, 05 avril 2012 - 12:15 .

[AnthonyF27]

The Locust was straight beast in ME2. After I got it on Kasumi's mission, I pretty much used it for the rest of the game. It's a shame that it's garbage in ME3.  I was playing a gold match earlier and I was shooting a Cerberus Trooper in the face for a good 5 seconds (or at least it felt like 5 seconds) and he didn't die.  That's when I decided to not use it anymore.

Modifié par AnthonyF27, 05 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[Sabresandiego]

One reason the viper is good is because infiltrators can get a 40% bonus to sniper damage, which effects the viper and not the carnifex.

[ZombieGambit]

I've been using the Eviscerator VII on my Turian Soldier for the Marksman bonus and it's outclassed by the Katana X even though the Katana has lower damage and accuracy. I can headshot enemies from across the map with my Katana and kill with 2 shots, 3 max, but with the Eviscerator it take 3 no matter what.

I suggest a tighter grouping and a slightly higher ROF.

[MoeRayShep]

Sabresandiego wrote...

One reason the viper is good is because infiltrators can get a 40% bonus to sniper damage, which effects the viper and not the carnifex.

That's not really an argument for the viper, it's an argument for Infiltrators to use sniper rifles (surprise, they usually do!)
Naturally you find them leaning towards Mantis/Widow/Black Widow because they can achieve higher burst DPS before their cloak (and it's damage bonus) wear off.

[MoeRayShep]

On another note, I agree about the Eviscerator/Wraith. Given the high accuracy of the GPS and Graal Spike Thrower, the gun appears completely outclassed.
I just got an N7 Crusader from the Operation Raptor commendation pack, and it feels like the gun the Eviscerator's description promised: very high accuracy and cover penetration.

As a side, since we're talking about descriptions that don't match the gun, how about the Disciple? It's described as doing "so much damage it stuns the enemy". In reality it's a lightweight shotgun with damage roughly equivalent to the Katana that has the added bonus of staggering. In other words, it's designed for Vanguards who want to spam charge.

EDIT: corrected weapon name. Meant Disciple, not Scorpion.

Modifié par MoeRayShep, 05 avril 2012 - 04:19 .

[Salrogg]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 This list is a total failure. These guns are perfectly fine. Especially the Revenant and Evi.

Care to elaborate beyond a single sentence?  I've usd all these guns extensively, and I stand by my takes on them.  You seem to almsot be saying weapon balance overall in this game is good.  That can't possibly be your take.  Can it? 

Let me state it then.

This game is perfectly balanced. Any opinion you have on these guns is wrong. The Revenant and Evi especially don't need a buff. Leave the balance to the guys who made the game.

Lets leave it to them to make an amazing ending too!  His list is fairly solid and I don't really disagree.  There are very few good weapons for gold right now.   Lots silver viable but some aren't even that.  

[Atheosis]

Agenda42 wrote...

Atheosis wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Forget you OP, I love my Viper.

*hugs Viper*

Can I ask you why?  I mean a Carnifex is clearly superior in every category, and the other sniper rifles are much better at acually sniping as well.  Honestly, I'm curious why the Viper of all guns on my list has had the most vocal support.  So can you explain it to me?  Why do you take a gun that is silmultaneously heavier and weaker in nearly every way to a Carnifex?

The Viper plays a lot better than it looks on paper.  It's not overkill when you use it on mooks, and the 6 shots per clip and fast reload mean you're spending a lot more time actually killing things compared to the OSOK rifles.

With regard to Carnifex versus Viper, the Salarian Infiltrator will take the Viper because of the bonuses to sniper rifles in Cloak and Operative.

So you are saying you use it on an Infiltrator and the damage coming out of cloak is enough to pop the melon of an assault trooper on Gold?  If that's true, that's nice I suppose.  My problem though is that a weapon shouldn't have to be used with one particular build of one particular class to be okay.

Anyway, I'll have to go try what you are suggesting.  I've tried the Viper with a fair number of builds, but I don't think I've done exactly what you are suggesting.  I assume you also take max damage evolutions.