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[2Shepards]

ME3 wrote...

Even If i had a choice of peace or Geth. I would choose the Geth over Peace because I Dont trust those Quarians

I just choked on my coffee:lol:

[Delta Sierra]

Rogue Unit wrote...

So.. Who else punched Admiral Genocide in the balls?

On an almost purely paragon play through.  Couldn't help myself.

Modifié par Delta Sierra, 31 mars 2012 - 03:23 .

[Peer of the Empire]

A lot of people did.  Barbaric.  I erased those dangerous robots instead

Quarians haven't shown me they are evil and despicable.  Although who knows, they may well be on their way to evolving into a thieving, lying, manipulative exile race

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 31 mars 2012 - 03:25 .

[Ultra Prism]

I punched Gerrel then brokered peace between... i needed both fleets ... stupid aliens and dumb synthetic were quite in the middle of crap until Shepard rescues the day

[RiGoRmOrTiS_UK]

I chose the super-renegade option. I saved the quarians and geth, made them friends to give them hope and their smashed all their hopes and dreams for the future by stranding them at earth..

best renegade choice ever..

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Rogue Unit wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Saremei wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Saremei wrote...

I made peace. If I were unable to do so, the Geth would have been eradicated. I value organics over synthetics any day.

So you'd spare TIM's life before EDI's?

No, don't play specifics.  You can't judge any group on the actions of a single being or group within them.

If I had the choice to destroy all synthetics in existence or wipe out a single organic race, I'd destroy the synthetics.  That's all I'm saying.

Fair enough. But if that same race created the synthetics in the first place, then proceeded to wage a idiotic, recklesss war against them on top trying to kill you, I'd wipe out the organic race.

So it's right to punish an entire race for the mistakes of their ancestors and for the work of a handful of callous politicians?

Damn, we should've nuked all of Germany after WWII. Would've taught those Germans a thing or two!


PS: Peace between the two races is the preferable scenario. It's wrong to kill off either of them, war assets or no.

See my previous post about me prefering peace.

Fair enough. Though I think if you have to pick one, the quarians deserve the benefit of the doubt, for reasons listed at the top of the page this post will appear on.

[dgumb]

I brokered peace between them, but if I had to choose... I'd pick the Geth over them (sorry Tali!).

The Quarrians, especially in ME3, are just so ludicrously myopic and infuriatingly close minded that at some point I just feel like it isn't my job to save them from themselves. They want to commit suicide by starting a war they can't win*? Fine.


* - Not only that, but risk everything and everyone else in the galaxy by almost destroying the dreadnought while Shepard is still on board.

Modifié par dgumb, 31 mars 2012 - 03:31 .

[Rogue Unit]

EnerPrime wrote...

Let's see on one side, there's the Quarians who have spent the last 300 years getting shat on by the galaxy for things their ancestors did. They found what seemed like a sure shot at taking their home planet back and took it in the hopes of maybe making their lives not an unending parade of racism and mockery from every other race.

On the other hand you've got the Geth, who are isolationist and peaceful unless provoked. But it didn't take very long for them to throw out their "we want our own future" thing out the window and sign up with the genocidal mechanical abominations. On top of that, they could have avoided this war at any time in the last 300 years by realising that they don't need Rannoch. They were pretty much holding on to that planet as a big middle finger to the quarians. If the Geth had just sent a message to them decaring "We're not actually mass murdering machines like we let you believe until now. We've abandoned Rannoch and you can have it back. We're gonna go build our Geth superstructure in some uninhabited system no one wants." the war never would have happened.

The quarians may have poor timing for starting the war, but the geth are far more at fault for having the ability to prevent the war for centuries and never doing it.

Holding on the planet as a big middle finer? IIRC Rannoch probably would be in ruins if not for the Geth. And you really think the quarians would venture beyond the Veil because the Geth (remember everyone thought the geth were crazy homocidal machines at the time) sent them a message saying "lol com get your planet. we're not bad guyz"? The quarians didn't even act on Legion's offer of peace in ME2. The geth have made steps towards peace, the quarians haven't.

It's their fault the don't have their planet. Nobody elses'.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 31 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[sergio71785]

I like the geth, but honestly, in all the games we've basically met only one who didn't try to kill you. We've fought heretic geth who openly decided to fight serve the reapers, we've fought "true geth" who also openly decided to join the reapers (albeit that could be understood), and hell, we've fought geth that had been hacked by cerberus.

In all that time, we haven't had a single quarian attack us, except for Han'Gerrel. All the quarians have wanted was their home back, and they assumed war was the only way to get it back (It's not like the geth have ever communicated that they want peace to anyone except Shepard). A lot of people forget that everything we learned about the geth in ME2 is known *only* to Shepard and friends. Everyone else sees the geth as blood thirsty machines, and the geth have no one to blame that on but themselves.

Yes, the quarians made a mistake 300 years ago, but virtually all organic races would have made the same mistake (humans most of all). Every person responsible for that mistake is dead. Don't hold people responsible for the mistakes of their ancestors.

[dgumb]

sergio71785 wrote...

Yes, the quarians made a mistake 300 years ago, but virtually all organic races would have made the same mistake (humans most of all). Every person responsible for that mistake is dead. Don't hold people responsible for the mistakes of their ancestors.

For me, it has nothing to do with the mistakes their ancestors made. The current Quarrians make quite enough mistakes on their own in my opinion.

[Red Dust]

According to Legion, the reasoning behind holding onto Rannoch (aside from it being some sort of twisted machine-person-memorial-cemetary-whatever) was that with the resources of  a planet underneath them, the Quarians would again post a threat. That they're not likely to drop the whole "Geth people is bad people!" routine, and with their civilization reestablished, their new hobby would be causing mischief for the Geth.

If either side had opened a channel of communication, the war (which the quarians started.) would be over and the Geth would have left Rannoch, which they weren't really using, anyhow.

What I don't understand is how:

The Geth and Quarian fleets are suddenly of equal size. Geth territory was -huge-. Giganitic. Far larger than just the Rannoch system. The Perseus veil cut off a whole galactic-arm from the rest of the galaxy, you can't scan through it. That marks the end of the terminus systems and the start of Geth space.. The Geth have had the resources and time to produce programs and platforms beyond count. They had the ability to defend this region not just from The Council races, but from the lawless pirates of the Terminus Region, who aren't bound by laws not to provoke The Geth. Rannoch alone had more than one server on it, surely. Legion himself says as much. So all of a sudden -every single last geth platform- is in peril over the skies of Rannoch? That makes no sense. There's no way these two should be an even fight. Even with the loss of the Geth superstructure AND multiple losses between.

The whole final confrontation seems contrived, on the part of the Geth.

Modifié par Red Dust, 31 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[MadCat221]

dgumb wrote...

I brokered peace between them, but if I had to choose... I'd pick the Geth over them (sorry Tali!).

The Quarrians, especially in ME3, are just so ludicrously myopic and infuriatingly close minded that at some point I just feel like it isn't my job to save them from themselves. They want to commit suicide by starting a war they can't win*? Fine.


* - Not only that, but risk everything and everyone else in the galaxy by almost destroying the dreadnought while Shepard is still on board.

It's mainly Gerrel.  Xen wants to play with her toys, but she's not a freakin' bull seeing red like Gerrel.  Raan is wishy-washy, but at least isn't Leeroy Jenkins like Gerrel in a fight.  Thankfully, Tali and Koris have brains in their helmets.

I gutpunch him every time.  He so badly needs to be put in his place.

[DonkeyDragon]

Rogue Unit wrote...

EnerPrime wrote...

Let's see on one side, there's the Quarians who have spent the last 300 years getting shat on by the galaxy for things their ancestors did. They found what seemed like a sure shot at taking their home planet back and took it in the hopes of maybe making their lives not an unending parade of racism and mockery from every other race.

On the other hand you've got the Geth, who are isolationist and peaceful unless provoked. But it didn't take very long for them to throw out their "we want our own future" thing out the window and sign up with the genocidal mechanical abominations. On top of that, they could have avoided this war at any time in the last 300 years by realising that they don't need Rannoch. They were pretty much holding on to that planet as a big middle finger to the quarians. If the Geth had just sent a message to them decaring "We're not actually mass murdering machines like we let you believe until now. We've abandoned Rannoch and you can have it back. We're gonna go build our Geth superstructure in some uninhabited system no one wants." the war never would have happened.

The quarians may have poor timing for starting the war, but the geth are far more at fault for having the ability to prevent the war for centuries and never doing it.

Holding on the planet as a big middle finer? IIRC Rannoch probably would be in ruins if not for the Geth. And you really think the quarians would venture beyond the Veil because the Geth (remember everyone thought the geth were crazy homocidal machines at the time) sent them a message saying "lol com get your planet. we're not bad guyz"? The quarians didn't even act on Legion's offer of peace in ME2. The geth have made steps towards peace, the quarians haven't.

It's their fault the don't have their planet. Nobody elses'.

The way I see it, the quarians drove the geth towards the Reapers in order for them to survive. On the other hand, the geth drove the quarians to war - they knew more than anyone that the quarians couldn't colonize other planets, and as such, they had to attack sooner or later to regain Rannoch.

It's really a loss/loss situation. To add further to that, the geth decided to use Rannoch's sun for their dyson sphere. They could have used any sun, but they choose rannoch's? That's just stupid..

Needless to say, on first playthrough I saved the quarians, on second I brokered peace.

[Friera]

Saremei wrote...

I made peace. If I were unable to do so, the Geth would have been eradicated. I value organics over synthetics any day.

Yeah, I agree.

Rannoch mission is my favorite mission in ME3, and luckely I saved them both. I love hearing about them working together and how it benefits eachoter. Hopefully we will see more of that in the future.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Cazlee wrote...

I chose peace, the quarians killed themselves as far as I'm concerned.

This.

[dgumb]

MadCat221 wrote...

dgumb wrote...

I brokered peace between them, but if I had to choose... I'd pick the Geth over them (sorry Tali!).

The Quarrians, especially in ME3, are just so ludicrously myopic and infuriatingly close minded that at some point I just feel like it isn't my job to save them from themselves. They want to commit suicide by starting a war they can't win*? Fine.


* - Not only that, but risk everything and everyone else in the galaxy by almost destroying the dreadnought while Shepard is still on board.

It's mainly Gerrel.  Xen wants to play with her toys, but she's not a freakin' bull seeing red like Gerrel.  Raan is wishy-washy, but at least isn't Leeroy Jenkins like Gerrel in a fight.  Thankfully, Tali and Koris have brains in their helmets.

I gutpunch him every time.  He so badly needs to be put in his place.

Yeah, you're right. That's pretty much why I always save them, but still. It's their own fault for letting Gerrel hijack their entire race, literally. It beggars belief that ALL the other admirals, plus all the civs (again, the WHOLE RACE but for one admiral) were unable to stop Gerrel from almost wiping them out.

Maybe it's bad writing, or contrived, but in pretty much any Quarrian story arc I'm saving them while cursing them under my breath and gritting my teeth.

Modifié par dgumb, 31 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[supremo0]

The gut punch i gave Han Gerrel scared him into leaving the Geth alone.

[daisekihan]

Saremei wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Saremei wrote...

I made peace. If I were unable to do so, the Geth would have been eradicated. I value organics over synthetics any day.

So you'd spare TIM's life before EDI's?

No, don't play specifics.  You can't judge any group on the actions of a single being or group within them.

If I had the choice to destroy all synthetics in existence or wipe out a single organic race, I'd destroy the synthetics.  That's all I'm saying.

If the synthetics are all sentient, that's pretty monsterous.

[sergio71785]

dgumb wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

Yes, the quarians made a mistake 300 years ago, but virtually all organic races would have made the same mistake (humans most of all). Every person responsible for that mistake is dead. Don't hold people responsible for the mistakes of their ancestors.

For me, it has nothing to do with the mistakes their ancestors made. The current Quarrians make quite enough mistakes on their own in my opinion.

What mistakes? Attacking Rannoch? Three people are responsible for that mistake. We really shouldn't forget that each member of a race is a unique individual. The only races that act as a whole are geth and reapers

Should humanity be blamed in its entirety every time Cerberus does something evil?

[Bigdoser]

I made peace but if I had to choose I would pick geth since they would be more useful for the war effort than people who can die if they get a hole in their suit.

[XRelakX]

So you killed the quarians?...there is no hope for you..you will die.

[Red Dust]

What would you have rather seen?

The Geth are attacked by The Quarians, in a panic (Machines totally panic.) they rush to the arms of The Reapers to become slaves.

The Geth hold their own and, to the shock of everyone in the galaxy, send an group of ambassadors to The Citadel to call out the Quarians on breaching their non-aggression pact. To request an embassy on the Citadel and to put political pressure on the Quarians to stop their attacks, which are illegal.

I know the drama of the the second option appeals to me. I'd have loved to have seen that, A Geth armada shows up at the Citadel flying "the white flag" and demanding to dock. Playing the organics and their system against themselves. Not being retarted, willing slaves who've suddenly given up their own future and identity...

[Rogue Unit]

sergio71785 wrote...

I like the geth, but honestly, in all the games we've basically met only one who didn't try to kill you. We've fought heretic geth who openly decided to fight serve the reapers, we've fought "true geth" who also openly decided to join the reapers (albeit that could be understood), and hell, we've fought geth that had been hacked by cerberus.

In all that time, we haven't had a single quarian attack us, except for Han'Gerrel. All the quarians have wanted was their home back, and they assumed war was the only way to get it back (It's not like the geth have ever communicated that they want peace to anyone except Shepard). A lot of people forget that everything we learned about the geth in ME2 is known *only* to Shepard and friends. Everyone else sees the geth as blood thirsty machines, and the geth have no one to blame that on but themselves.

Yes, the quarians made a mistake 300 years ago, but virtually all organic races would have made the same mistake (humans most of all). Every person responsible for that mistake is dead. Don't hold people responsible for the mistakes of their ancestors.

Take Legion on the Floatilla. He flat out tells Koris the Geth want peace, but they have to make sure the quarians want the same thing.

[Wickwrackscar]

If your'e really evil, you choose the geth over the quarians, then pick the destroy ending.