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[sergio71785]

dgumb wrote...

1 Attacking Rannoch (edit: as someone else pointed out, starting a war while they knew the Reapers were already attacking the other races, so even if they had won against the Geth, they'd still be destroyed by the Reapers because no one else was left to save them.)

2 trying to destroy the dreadnought with Shepard's team aboard (thereby dooming the ENTIRE REST OF THE GALAXY if Shepard were to die)

3 refusing to listen to Tali and Shepard when they're begging them to stop the attack (unless you can paragon/renegade your way out of it)

4 allowing their leaders to bring them to the brink of extinction in a war they almost knew they'd lose

And Cerberus isn't the right analogy. It would be correct if Cerberus were the governing body of the Systems Alliance. So, if the government in charge of all yumanity were as equally boneheaded and myopic, then yes they should be blamed.

1. Three admirals decided war. Two were against it.

2. Han'Gerrel did that.

3. Han'Gerrel did that.

4. They didn't know they'd lose it. In fact, if you recall, they were winning it. They hadn't anticipated on the geth turning to the reapers. So they didn't go into a war they knew they'd lose.


Again, every mistake made by the quarians in these games has been the fault of a handful (or just one) of people.

[Stone Cold Gargoyle]

My first playthrough, I truly wanted to make peace between the Quarians and the Geth. I affirmed the Geth right to sentience ... and then missed my opportunity to make peace between the two races. And then Tali took her own life. That actually hurt a little bit.

[ChuckNorris18]

Tali died in mass effect 2 for me, so i chose the geth. Didn't have an option for peace.

[MadRabbit999]

Saved them both.

Some of the Quarians might be douchebags, but that's not in the majority, also a Geth are no more different than the programs I use at work and home so.. if I had the choice between killing a living creature and all of the copies of Microsoft Windows... I'd kill windows any day

Die Windows!!!!

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 31 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[Rogue Unit]

Sparatus wrote...

daisekihan wrote...
Those were the Heretics, the minority. The majority only joins with them, when they have, as you say, "half a brain."

As for leaving Rannoch --- imagine if the Geth were organic contructs, genetically engineered to be the Quarians slaves. When they started showing self-awareness, they were rounded up to be slaughtered. Eventually, they fought back and drove the creators off planet, but only after countless of their own people had been purged. At the very least, even if they didn't want further conflict, why would they give up the home millions had given their lives to for? Or why would they assume the Quarians would not come after them and try to kill them wherever they went?

The entire reason they let the quarians go in the first place is because they were no longer considered a threat. Your analogy is also very weak because... the geth aren't organic. They don't think like organics.

The geth sticking around on Rannoch was a very stupid move on their part.

And the quarians attack Rannoch in a desperate attempt to relcaim it is a stupid move on their part. The Geth have every right to reside on Rannoch as the quarians do.

[DJBare]

I chose peace, whether I disliked the geth or the quarians did not matter, the galaxy was at stake, everything else is just petty in comparison.

[Ravenmyste]

i made peace with them both paragon-ed both their asses and got 2 fleets for the price of one and legion died because the damn upload cut out at 82% legion he should have made torrent upload for them! lol

[daisekihan]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Saved them both.

Some of the Quarians might be douchbags, but that's not in the majority, also a Geth are no more different than the programs I use at work and home so.. if I had the choice between killing a living creature and all of the copies of Microsoft Windows... I'd kill windows any day

Yeah, because the Office Assistant frequently says stuff like, "It looks like you're writing a letter! You must have soul. Does this paper clip have a soul?"

Modifié par daisekihan, 31 mars 2012 - 04:17 .

[sergio71785]

MadCat221 wrote...
You don't need to compromise your game.  Pretty much the only thing you lose out on is Talimancing.  If you save Tali's LM for second-to-last, you can do both Tali's and then legion's LMs after you acquire the Reaper IFF.  My FemShep save has exactly that scenario saved up for import (waiting for the Kaidan/Engineer Banter bug to get fixed first though).

Just... don't go anywhere near the Galaxy Map before reactivating Legion.  Skirt the walls after you exit the conference room after the derelict reaper mission.  Do not talk to Kelly.  Do not check your emails.  Do not even look cross-eyed at the galaxy map, or else EDI goes into "reaper IFF ready" mode.

Yeah, you're right. I was thinking of taking Legion to Haestrom.

Still, I'd wager that not a lot of people had Legion available to take to the flotilla on their first playthrough.

Realistically, being able to take Legion to the flotilla would be a major, huge thing that would drastically alter events between the geth and the quarians. But it couldn't be made to work within the confines of the game.

[InsaneAzrael]

Y u do this?

Modifié par InsaneAzrael, 31 mars 2012 - 04:18 .

[Militarized]

Saved them both.

[dgumb]

sergio71785 wrote...

1. Three admirals decided war. Two were against it.

2. Han'Gerrel did that.

3. Han'Gerrel did that.

4. They didn't know they'd lose it. In fact, if you recall, they were winning it. They hadn't anticipated on the geth turning to the reapers. So they didn't go into a war they knew they'd lose.


Again, every mistake made by the quarians in these games has been the fault of a handful (or just one) of people.

Well, again that's kind of my point. If they allowed one or two people to bring their entire race to the brink of extinction then yeah, that is their fault, collectively. It shouldn't be Shepard's responsability to save them from themselves. 

[Serp86]

daisekihan wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Saved them both.

Some of the Quarians might be douchbags, but that's not in the majority, also a Geth are no more different than the programs I use at work and home so.. if I had the choice between killing a living creature and all of the copies of Microsoft Windows... I'd kill windows any day

Yeah, because the Office Assistant frequently says stuff like, "It looks like you're writing a letter! You must have soul. Does this paper clip have a soul?"

Its just way more advanced programming. Now its stupid in the first place to allow programs to advance in that far in the first place without any saveguards.  And even if he does ask this question who cares ? Would i intentionally destroy it for asking this question ? No i wouldn't . Doesn't mean i would kill an organic beeing to keep it alive either.  

[SovereignX6]

Yeah, if you get the from Ashes DLC. Javik will tell you a lot. Machines can not be trusted. I like Legion. To me synthetics are less trusted than organics in my opinion. I got a lot of info from Javik. But i would rather keep the Quarians than the geth.

[MadRabbit999]

daisekihan wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Saved them both.

Some of the Quarians might be douchbags, but that's not in the majority, also a Geth are no more different than the programs I use at work and home so.. if I had the choice between killing a living creature and all of the copies of Microsoft Windows... I'd kill windows any day

Yeah, because the Office Assistant frequently says stuff like, "It looks like you're writing a letter! You must have soul. Does this paper clip have a soul?"

Personality, and feelings in an AI are simulated impulses, the paperclip also simulate feelings, make it look bored, sleepy, playful etc.... no difference there to me.

You can get into the whole argument that our brain also works on stimulations that means reality is what our brain tells us to bhla bhla.. Matrix..

But again, Organic life has struggled to get where it is, syntethics were created, and do not have the insticts and everything else that makes an organic unique, some might even argue "Lack of Soul".
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Modifié par MadRabbit999, 31 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[Descy_]

 Funny because neither the Geth nor Quarians are too busy rebuilding to fight. You can see them in the fleet around earth.

I saved both because Im not a genocidal maniac.

[The Great and Powerful Trixie]

The Quarians are a terrible race. Trixie enjoyed watching their pathetic fleet burn.

[sergio71785]

dgumb wrote...

Well, again that's kind of my point. If they allowed one or two people to bring their entire race to the brink of extinction then yeah, that is their fault, collectively. It shouldn't be Shepard's responsability to save them from themselves. 

Shepard wasn't saving them from themselves. He was saving them from Reapers, since the geth were being controlled by the reapers (for like the third time now....), and even after being freed they used reaper upgrades.

Modifié par sergio71785, 31 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[Shallyah]

To be honest, the best solution to the conflict would be if in the scene when you return from the Dreadnaught and confront Han'Gerrel, the renegade interrupt wasn't to punch him, but to shoot him in the brain. Then the Quarians would listen to reason. Most of them are good people.

Modifié par Shallyah, 31 mars 2012 - 04:27 .

[Scalpels]

I saved both. The quarian leadership (Han'Gerrel mostly) was leading their species to ruin; not unlike Bush did for the Americans.I wish i could've done more than punch Han for everything. Having played all three games and read all the novels (Ascension in particular) I think the quarians are good people overall.

I kept waiting for the Civilian Conclave to step in.

[Canned Bullets]

I just brokered a peace between them. I made the Geth peaceful in ME2 but the damned Migrant Fleet got too overconfident and tried retaking Rannoch making the Geth hostile again.

[Welsh Inferno]

Sparatus wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

And the quarians attack Rannoch in a desperate attempt to relcaim it is a stupid move on their part. The Geth have every right to reside on Rannoch as the quarians do.

Correct.

Both species are morons.

People here will never understand that.

If you don't atleast try to save both then you are being idiotic and extremely petty.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 31 mars 2012 - 04:45 .