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[STAG IRONHIDE]

[quote]noobcannon wrote...

[quote]Pottumuusi wrote...

There is a special place in hell for people who didn't take the peace option.
It's in the same corner as the people who shot Mordin.[/quote]
[/quote]

Yeah... some people missed Tali's return to the fleet due to low paragon/renegade and picked the wrong option during Legion's loyalty.

Killing the Geth, yeah that's just as bad as killing Mordin (especially if you execute Legion  ) but the Quarian had it coming to be honest... especially when he won't listen unless Shepard spells it out for him. They're a bunch of self-righteous, clueless morons, not saying their races deserves to die out, but if I had to save one over the other I find the Geth to be much more sympathetic and deserving of a chance to live and carve out their own existence.

[quote]Rogue Unit wrote...



[/quote]

Turning to theReaper was a mistake, but some believe the Geth are "idiots" for not giving up Rannoch, their homeworld, to prevent a quarian attack in the first place.
 I don't get it either.[/quote]

Yeah, you can't really blame them for allying with the Reapers, they were dead if they didn't. They probably respect the Reaper's superior design and intellect as well (with some turning to Worship them), and they can relate since they're both synthetic. I'm sure it was mostly out of desperation.

As for staying on Rannoch... well yes they could've left it, but they still respect their creators. They were honoring them by trying to rebuild structures in their own way (they are not human, after all). They choose to stay there and it is what it is, but if I had to guess why it would be because it is familiar and maybe even a false hope that one day their masters would return and accept them I think they were just so fixated on staying alive that they didn't give anything else much thought.

Modifié par STAG IRONHIDE, 01 avril 2012 - 08:22 .

[Mad-Hamlet]

One of the reasons for Jonas(?) is the story is to remind players about the true cost: that real people are dying- parents, children, husbands and wives. Sure, the leaders made some bad calls but they had the weapons- the scrambler and the opportunity.

If this were a real life and you were really in the position of authority that Shepard holds at that moment in the game you just commited genocide for the worst of reasons: You couldn't be bothered to get all the facts, something we all were guilty of in our original hatred of The Geth in ME1.

So, all those with the 'I hate the Quarrians for-Insert truly staggeringly dull, flimsy form of justification and/or simple emotional response with suitable aggressive adjectives'....

....kind of missed the point of the scenario.

Unless Tali was killed in ME2. Then you're just screwed.

Modifié par Mad-Hamlet, 01 avril 2012 - 08:15 .

[4stringwizard]

Wow, I'm shocked at the number of people who treat the Geth as innocent victims. The same Geth who slaughtered organics and sided with the Reapers not once, but TWICE (ME1 and ME3). Can't say I'm too surprised though. Bioware really went out of their way to paint the Geth this way and make the Quarians out to be the bad guys.

Anyway, I made peace between both, but I would have wiped out the Geth instead if I had to choose. Sorry, Legion.

[Kasces]

Sparatus wrote...

Yeah, one of the things that bothers me about the geth is how stupid they acted, and how quickly they abandoned their own ideals to side with the machines that are going to kill them eventually anyway.

I blame this on Legion's writer leaving.

I don't think it has anything to do with inconsistencies. It was simply too good of an opportunity. There's a difference between striving for alternative technology (which is still based on Reaper tech anyway, just not blindly so) and passing up the chance to literally make each of your kind it's own "person". More data was gathered. A different consensus was reached. I don't think they would need to make whatever they were trying to make that was akin to a dyson sphere either.  

[4stringwizard]

Kasces wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Yeah, one of the things that bothers me about the geth is how stupid they acted, and how quickly they abandoned their own ideals to side with the machines that are going to kill them eventually anyway.

I blame this on Legion's writer leaving.

I don't think it has anything to do with inconsistencies. It was simply too good of an opportunity. There's a difference between striving for alternative technology (which is still based on Reaper tech anyway, just not blindly so) and passing up the chance to literally make each of your kind it's own "person". More data was gathered. A different consensus was reached. I don't think they would need to make whatever they were trying to make that was akin to a dyson sphere either.  

Oh yes, even if it means siding with machines that are eventually going to wipe out every major organic race in the galaxy.  Yes, those Geth are great allies.  

[STAG IRONHIDE]

4stringwizard wrote...

Kasces wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Yeah, one of the things that bothers me about the geth is how stupid they acted, and how quickly they abandoned their own ideals to side with the machines that are going to kill them eventually anyway.

I blame this on Legion's writer leaving.

I don't think it has anything to do with inconsistencies. It was simply too good of an opportunity. There's a difference between striving for alternative technology (which is still based on Reaper tech anyway, just not blindly so) and passing up the chance to literally make each of your kind it's own "person". More data was gathered. A different consensus was reached. I don't think they would need to make whatever they were trying to make that was akin to a dyson sphere either.  

Oh yes, even if it means siding with machines that are eventually going to wipe out every major organic race in the galaxy.  Yes, those Geth are great allies.  

I guess the only way you can look at it is like if God/Jesus sent their army down and all the Christians and Catholics waged their holy war for them. Could you expect anything else? They think the Reapers are Gods because of how complex and intelligent their design is, and they are the only other synthetics so it's not surprising.

The Reapers are very intelligent, I'm sure they played up the fact that the Geth were worshipping them to gain more Geth troops. Besides, as Legion said, not all of them were heretics.

Mad-Hamlet wrote...

One of the reasons for Jonas(?) is the
story is to remind players about the true cost: that real people are
dying- parents, children, husbands and wives. Sure, the leaders made
some bad calls but they had the weapons- the scrambler and the
opportunity.

If this were a real life and you were really in the
position of authority that Shepard holds at that moment in the game you
just commited genocide for the worst of reasons: You couldn't be
bothered to get all the facts, something we all were guilty of in our
original hatred of The Geth in ME1.

So, all those with the 'I
hate the Quarrians for-Insert truly staggeringly dull, flimsy form of
justification and/or simple emotional response with suitable aggressive
adjectives'....

....kind of missed the point of the scenario.

Unless Tali was killed in ME2. Then you're just screwed.

Yes, if you can save both then there really is no justification that would hold up for letting one die. Even if you throw away the moral standpoint, it is stupid to sacrifice additional support in your war effort.

Now if you screwed up and can only save one, I have to go with the Geth (If they had showed Tali's face I would not have let her die).

Modifié par STAG IRONHIDE, 01 avril 2012 - 08:31 .

[Kasces]

4stringwizard wrote...

Kasces wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Yeah, one of the things that bothers me about the geth is how stupid they acted, and how quickly they abandoned their own ideals to side with the machines that are going to kill them eventually anyway.

I blame this on Legion's writer leaving.

I don't think it has anything to do with inconsistencies. It was simply too good of an opportunity. There's a difference between striving for alternative technology (which is still based on Reaper tech anyway, just not blindly so) and passing up the chance to literally make each of your kind it's own "person". More data was gathered. A different consensus was reached. I don't think they would need to make whatever they were trying to make that was akin to a dyson sphere either.  

Oh yes, even if it means siding with machines that are eventually going to wipe out every major organic race in the galaxy.  Yes, those Geth are great allies.  

I'm not sure what you mean. How does using what you can take advantage of siding with anything but your own betterment? Or am I not remembering something?
It's late over here. Consensus cannot be reached.

Edit: just went to the wiki. If you mean why they had Reaper code in the first place, well, they literally became dumb because of attacks by the Quarians.  So many programs were lossed they literally became more dumb. Not necessarily their fault they became desperate and chose survival for the moment over common sense, like people actually do. 

And taking advantage of that code solves the collective mind problem for good.

Modifié par Kasces, 01 avril 2012 - 08:46 .

[ticklefist]

LittleTito wrote...

We should have had an option to walk up to Han'Garrel, pull a gun to his head, blow his brains out then turn to Tali and say, "Well, congratulations Tali. You're an Admiral with a fleet now."

Spoken like a Bush.

[4stringwizard]

STAG IRONHIDE wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

Kasces wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Yeah, one of the things that bothers me about the geth is how stupid they acted, and how quickly they abandoned their own ideals to side with the machines that are going to kill them eventually anyway.

I blame this on Legion's writer leaving.

I don't think it has anything to do with inconsistencies. It was simply too good of an opportunity. There's a difference between striving for alternative technology (which is still based on Reaper tech anyway, just not blindly so) and passing up the chance to literally make each of your kind it's own "person". More data was gathered. A different consensus was reached. I don't think they would need to make whatever they were trying to make that was akin to a dyson sphere either.  

Oh yes, even if it means siding with machines that are eventually going to wipe out every major organic race in the galaxy.  Yes, those Geth are great allies.  

I guess the only way you can look at it is like if God/Jesus sent their army down and all the Christians and Catholics waged their holy war for them. Could you expect anything else? They think the Reapers are Gods because of how complex and intelligent their design is, and they are the only other synthetics so it's not surprising.

The Reapers are very intelligent, I'm sure they played up the fact that the Geth were worshipping them to gain more Geth troops. Besides, as Legion said, not all of them were heretics.

That analogy makes the assumption that all religious people (myself included) would gladly commit genocide against other humans.  Which is not the case.  So yes, I would expect something else.  

And even if the Reapers are "Gods" to them, that simply means the Geth are untrustworthy, selfish, and easily manipulated, regardless of the consequences against other races.  Frankly, the fact that even the "true" Geth sided with the Reapers in ME3 was very disturbing, especially since they knew full well what the Reapers intended.  Would this have been real life, I would have spared the Quarians without a second thought.  

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 01 avril 2012 - 08:34 .

[Rustywhale]

Killed the Quarians, Shame that, at least the blow was softened by that ditz Tali offing herself.

[N7Gold]

ME3 wrote...

I hated those mask Wearing Bastards. They were too self preservent,also they would be to busy rebuilding their homeworld to help in the fight with the reapers. Also Geth would make a better ally. Did you Kill the geth or Quarians?

You obviously don't put aside prejudice for a greater cause. I made peace between the Geth and Quarians because I like them both.

[Pappi]

OP change the title of this thread, it is very spoilerish to people who haven't played the game.

[4stringwizard]

N7Gold wrote...

ME3 wrote...

I hated those mask Wearing Bastards. They were too self preservent,also they would be to busy rebuilding their homeworld to help in the fight with the reapers. Also Geth would make a better ally. Did you Kill the geth or Quarians?

You obviously don't put aside prejudice for a greater cause. I made peace between the Geth and Quarians because I like them both.

I love how he says the Geth would make better allies when they were the ones who sided with the Reapers in the first place.  

EDIT: And that reasoning is even more baseless, since the Quarians DO give their fleet in the fight against the Reapers. 

Modifié par 4stringwizard, 01 avril 2012 - 08:39 .

[Gruzmog]

I chose the quarians on my second char (made peace on the first), She never did Legion's loyalty mission so he died and his VI holo replacement was not very trustworthy, also I did not stop the fighters so she did not get the background info on the conflict.

Modifié par Gruzmog, 01 avril 2012 - 08:36 .

[STAG IRONHIDE]

4stringwizard wrote...

STAG IRONHIDE wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

Kasces wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Yeah, one of the things that bothers me about the geth is how stupid they acted, and how quickly they abandoned their own ideals to side with the machines that are going to kill them eventually anyway.

I blame this on Legion's writer leaving.

I don't think it has anything to do with inconsistencies. It was simply too good of an opportunity. There's a difference between striving for alternative technology (which is still based on Reaper tech anyway, just not blindly so) and passing up the chance to literally make each of your kind it's own "person". More data was gathered. A different consensus was reached. I don't think they would need to make whatever they were trying to make that was akin to a dyson sphere either.  

Oh yes, even if it means siding with machines that are eventually going to wipe out every major organic race in the galaxy.  Yes, those Geth are great allies.  

I guess the only way you can look at it is like if God/Jesus sent their army down and all the Christians and Catholics waged their holy war for them. Could you expect anything else? They think the Reapers are Gods because of how complex and intelligent their design is, and they are the only other synthetics so it's not surprising.

The Reapers are very intelligent, I'm sure they played up the fact that the Geth were worshipping them to gain more Geth troops. Besides, as Legion said, not all of them were heretics.

That analogy makes the assumption that all religious people (myself included) would gladly commit genocide against other humans.  Which is not the case.  So yes, I would expect something else.  

And even if the Reapers are "Gods" to them, that simply means the Geth are untrustworthy, selfish, and easily manipulated, regardless of the consequences against other races.  Frankly, the fact that even the "true" Geth sided with the Reapers in ME3 was very disturbing, especially since they knew full well what the Reapers intended.  Would this have been real life, I would have spared the Quarians without a second thought.  

But... the Quarian were the only genocidal ones....you know... because they tried to EXTERMINATE the Geth, who did not pursue once the Quarians lost their home world. 

My example probably wasn't great, but I didn't mean waging a holy war against humans, I mean against demons or something (Geth and Quarians aren't the same race) but let's just drop that example.

[Jafryn]

The choice isn't between killing the Geth or the Quarians. It's between letting the Geth be eradicated or giving them individual sentience. If you give the Geth sentience, the Quarians then commit collective suicide because they're morons.

Peace is so easy to achieve because the Geth happily welcome the Quarians back to Rannoch the moment the Quarians stop trying to eradicate every last one of them.

I really don't get how people can call the Geth the bad guys in this situation. At worst, they just behave kind of stupidly because they don't understand organics.

Modifié par Jafryn, 01 avril 2012 - 09:28 .

[Gruzmog]

Behaving stupidly can have dire consequences....

The quarians are morons for attacking without provocation, The Geth show they are willing to go way to far to the point they willing give up theire freedom if it means survival while in the proces fighting all organic life.

There really is no good side here.

[yummysoap]

I had all intentions of siding with the Geth, then I realised that I could shout at some Quarians and get them to see some sense.

If they hadn't, though, I'd have gotten behind the Geth, Tali be damned.

[tonnactus]

If i had to choose, i would choose the geth everytime. I would be sorry for people like korris, but they are in the minority.
Most of the quarians are deluded idiots.

Modifié par tonnactus, 01 avril 2012 - 09:39 .

[LystAP]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

daisekihan wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Saved them both.

Some of the Quarians might be douchbags, but that's not in the majority, also a Geth are no more different than the programs I use at work and home so.. if I had the choice between killing a living creature and all of the copies of Microsoft Windows... I'd kill windows any day

Yeah, because the Office Assistant frequently says stuff like, "It looks like you're writing a letter! You must have soul. Does this paper clip have a soul?"

Personality, and feelings in an AI are simulated impulses, the paperclip also simulate feelings, make it look bored, sleepy, playful etc.... no difference there to me.

You can get into the whole argument that our brain also works on stimulations that means reality is what our brain tells us to bhla bhla.. Matrix..

But again, Organic life has struggled to get where it is, syntethics were created, and do not have the insticts and everything else that makes an organic unique, some might even argue "Lack of Soul".
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The Geth have also struggled to get where they are if you listened to Legion in ME2. 

They were created to serve the Quarians, to obey them without question; in the end, their "Gods" disowned them, and they choose existence over their purpose as servants of the Quarians. When the fleet fled Rannoch, the Geth had to find their own future, which was now as unclear and mysterious as any organics'.

They could have simply revert back to their original duties, serving and maintaining empty cities; or to go into the galaxy after the quarians and finish the job, logic would aim towards the quarians returning and threatening the Geth once more.

But the Geth choose to build and discover a new future, independent of their original purpose and creators, despite the various uncertainties involved in the process that purely logical synthetics are supposed to be adversed too. They aren't even sure what would happen after they all uploaded to that superstructure, but they believe it would help them think of more ways to progress. They are not static machines, obeying their "programming", they are dynamic lifeforms seeking to survive and grow just like every other species in the galaxy.
This alone in my eyes makes the Geth more alive than some humans I could note. :happy:

Modifié par LystAP, 01 avril 2012 - 09:47 .

[Adugan]

I killed them both by making them allies and recruiting them for the war. Then the relay exploded and everyone in the system died.

[LystAP]

Gruzmog wrote...

Behaving stupidly can have dire consequences....

The quarians are morons for attacking without provocation, The Geth show they are willing to go way to far to the point they willing give up theire freedom if it means survival while in the proces fighting all organic life.

There really is no good side here.

A drowning man will clutch at a straw .

[Dresden867]

Adugan wrote...

I killed them both by making them allies and recruiting them for the war. Then the relay exploded and everyone in the system died.

Yes, yes. You hate the endings. We weren't actually talking about that in this thread.

[Nizyo]

I choose Tali over everything. Tali>Krogans Turians Salarians and whatevs,. Tali>all.

[wikkedjester]

your a bosh tet my good sir.