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[Fisto The Sexbot]

Play a Soldier then play an Adept/Engineer/Inflitrator and tell me they're not overpowered. Saying everything's OK is not doing anyone a service.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Athenau wrote...

If idiots get their way, your Salarian will be another useless Quarian Infiltrator.

Lol, didn't you just say the game was perfectly balanced? How can there be useless classes in a perfectly balanced game?

I don't use the QI. Game is balanced to me.

Okay, are you just trying to be stupid?

[TexasToast712]

Cyonan wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...
Quick scoping isn't a skill. It doesn't count. A child could do it. Several of the AR's stun lock and do reliable damage. I'm seriously starting to think you use a AR one time, get your ass handed to you, then call the gun crap when it is your skill as a player.

Quick Scoping is a thing that people can do in game, thus it counts. You don't get to discredit it because you don't like it.

I can and I did. Problem? Just going to chalk up your opinions on AR's as you being bad.

[TexasToast712]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 Quit your crying and just play the damn game.

1. Pistols aren't OP. Scopes were a bad idea. Give us laser sights.
2. AR's aren't weak. If you think so then it your fault as a bad player.
3. Powers aren't OP. Why nerf powers? They are meant to be useful.
4. SMG's aren't weak. Shuriken is boss. When bioware fixes the Lightweight glitch they will be even better.
5. Salarian Infiltrators/Engineers and Asari Adepts aren't OP. They are very squishy. As someone who doesn't even like playing as Salarians or Adepts. I don't think they are OP.
6. Snipers aren't OP. They are meant to kill. They do this just fine.
7. Did I forget to mention I want laser sights?! MAKE IT HAPPEN BIOWARE!

Quit trying to make other people conform to your playstyle. Let people play the way they want to play. There will always be some build/weapon that is slightly stronger/better than others. If you nerf one thing, people will move on to the next. We will get a never ending cycle of buffs/nerfs until the game is a boring, stale, "everything does the same thing" type of game.

-Making things comparably effective does not make playstyles the same.  In fact, game design theory suggests that the exact opposite is true:  it increases the variety of playstyles represented, rather than reducing them.

-Your aforementioned opinion of weapons being, and I quote, "perfectly balanced" is frankly out of touch with reality (no game as complex as ME3 is perfectly balanced) and moreover directly contradicts other statements you've made (such as "some weapons are stronger/better than others"). 

-As soon as anyone suggests that any weapon is stronger/better than others (something you yourself have admitted), you lash out at them with comments like "it's your fault as a bad player if you think any weapon is weak."  You have done this repeatedly in cases where people have presented strong arguments and testing results, contesting their statements with louder unsubstantiated objections.

-http://people.psych....dandunaware.pdf

Noone has provided any of these. All they do is spew their misguided opinions.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Complaining about complaining makes it worse. Just sayin.

[GodlessPaladin]

Added a bit more to the post.

TexasToast712 wrote...

 Quit your crying and just play the damn game.

1. Pistols aren't OP. Scopes were a bad idea. Give us laser sights.
2. AR's aren't weak. If you think so then it your fault as a bad player.
3. Powers aren't OP. Why nerf powers? They are meant to be useful.
4. SMG's aren't weak. Shuriken is boss. When bioware fixes the Lightweight glitch they will be even better.
5.
Salarian Infiltrators/Engineers and Asari Adepts aren't OP. They are
very squishy. As someone who doesn't even like playing as Salarians or
Adepts. I don't think they are OP.
6. Snipers aren't OP. They are meant to kill. They do this just fine.
7. Did I forget to mention I want laser sights?! MAKE IT HAPPEN BIOWARE!

Quit
trying to make other people conform to your playstyle. Let people play
the way they want to play. There will always be some build/weapon that
is slightly stronger/better than others. If you nerf one thing, people
will move on to the next. We will get a never ending cycle of
buffs/nerfs until the game is a boring, stale, "everything does the same
thing" type of game.
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-Making things comparably effective does not make playstyles the same.  In fact, game design theory suggests that the exact opposite is true:  it increases the variety of playstyles represented, rather than reducing them.

-Pointing out that something is unbalanced is often not motivated by people wanting others to conform to their playstyle.  Instead, it is motivated by an understanding of the above game design principle.  If people truly wanted others to conform to their playstyle and didn't care if everyone used just a couple of weapons, then they wouldn't object to some weapons being so weak that they're never used.  People often object to imbalance because they want a wider variety of competitively viable options, not because they want people to use a smaller variety of things.

-Your aforementioned opinion of weapons being, and I quote, "perfectly balanced" is frankly out of touch with reality (no game as complex as ME3 is perfectly balanced) and moreover directly contradicts other statements you've made (such as "some weapons are stronger/better than others"). 

-As soon as anyone suggests that any weapon is stronger/better than others (something you yourself have
admitted), you lash out at them with comments like "it's your fault as a bad player if you think any weapon is weak."  You have done this repeatedly in cases where people have presented strong arguments and
testing results, contesting their statements with louder unsubstantiated objections.

-Salarians and Asari are NOT squishy.  They have the same or greater health/shields than a human, and excellent defensive powers and great dodges.

-I suspect your proficiency in the game does not reflect your confidence in your own proficiency.  I base this prediction on the weight of the inaccuracy of many of your statements (such as the erroneous conjecture that Salarians are squishy, when in fact they are some of the most survivable characters in the game.  Even by the simplest of measures, they are better than average in terms of shields) http://people.psych....dandunaware.pdf

TexasToast712 wrote...
Noone has provided any of these. All they do is spew their misguided opinions.

This is untrue.  While many only state their conclusions, others you have responded to have backed up their claims.  However, I have never seen YOU back up any of your claims with logic in any of over a dozen threads to which you have provided many replies.  I've seen you use a disturbing number of logical fallacies though...

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[TexasToast712]

Noone has provided any evidence in their claims. Just pointless opinions with no proof. Also, why are you stalking me?

Modifié par TexasToast712, 31 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[GodlessPaladin]

TexasToast712 wrote...
I'm not a mental patient and you certainly aren't a psychiatrist. Quit posting useless dribble.

1)  I suspect you have no idea what I am.
2)  Whether or not you're a mental patient is irrelevant to absolutely anything I said.  Same can be said for the psychiatrist comment.  As such, your post commits a logical fallacy.
3)  This is a perfect example of you "countering" detailed posts with logical fallacies.

Edit:  LOL at deleting your post and replacing it with something just as ridiculous.

TexasToast712 wrote...
Noone has provided any evidence in their claims. Just pointless opinions with no proof.

You just replied to a counterargument to this very statement *by repeating the same statement.*  You are the one spewing unsubstantiated conclusions with no regard for any evidence or arguments presented to you.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mars 2012 - 08:53 .

[TexasToast712]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...
I'm not a mental patient and you certainly aren't a psychiatrist. Quit posting useless dribble.

1)  I suspect you have no idea what I am.
2)  Whether or not you're a mental patient is irrelevant to absolutely anything I said.  Same can be said for the psychiatrist comment.  As such, your post commits a logical fallacy.
3)  This is a perfect example of you "countering" detailed posts with logical fallacies.

Edit:  LOL at deleting your post and replacing it with something just as ridiculous.

There is no error in my reasoning. Get out of my thread unless you can post something pertaining to the topic.

[Blissey1]

Aren't you the one right after release who was vehemently against nerfing the carnifex because you're a handcannon enthusiast IRL?

[GodlessPaladin]

TexasToast712 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...
There is no error in my reasoning. Get out of my thread unless you can post something pertaining to the topic.

I provided an extensive response to the original topic, including such concepts as that Salarians cannot be considered relatively "squishy" by any means of interpretation.  They get an ability which recharges shields and gives 40% damage reduction and stuns enemies.  They have higher than average shields.  They have good dodges.  They have either Tactical Cloak or Decoy.  There is no sense in which their defenses are not better than average.  Your response to this well-supported argument is to just shout that it's somehow off-topic to disagree with you.

No matter how loudly you claim that there is no error in your reasoning, it doesn't actually change the fact that your arguments are riddled with logical fallacies.  Whether an argument is fallacious or not is not a matter of opinion.  Please look up what a logical fallacy is.

All I ever see you do is make blanket statements such as the one above.  "I am right, this is my conclusion, you are wrong."  You never actually have a supporting argument.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mars 2012 - 09:01 .

[TexasToast712]

Blissey1 wrote...

Aren't you the one right after release who was vehemently against nerfing the carnifex because you're a handcannon enthusiast IRL?

Probably. I love my shiny Deagle. It has it's own pillow.

[TexasToast712]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I provided an extensive response to the original topic, and even pointed out that your conclusions in the OP were mathematically wrong (Salarians cannot be considered relatively "squishy" by any means of interpretation), and your response is to just shout that it's somehow off-topic to disagree with you.

No matter how loudly you claim that there is no error in your reasoning, it doesn't actually change the fact that your arguments are riddled with logical fallacies.  Whether an argument is fallacious or not is not a matter of opinion.  Please look up what a logical fallacy is.

All I ever see you do is make blanket statements such as the one above.  "I am right, this is my conclusion, you are wrong."  You never actually have a supporting argument.

I have reported you. It is clear your intent is to get a rise out of me by trying to insult me. Not gonna happen. Keep trying, troll.

[GodlessPaladin]

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So, apparently, Texas's defense of his statement "Salarians are squishy" (and others) is a blanket statement that anyone who disagrees with him and provides evidence is off topic, didn't actually provide evidence, and is a troll trying to get a rise out of him.

He does this even as he makes statements that are off topic, don't actually provide evidence (or even premises to his arguments, just conclusions), and slings ad hominem attacks at anyone who disagrees with him.

I think pretty much anyone can see through this.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[CheetahZ1]

He hasn't trolled at all. He's made valid points that you never refuted, then stated everyone except you has made baseless claims.

You've no proof against the math people have brought foward about AR's being terrible.

You've no proof that you're better than anyone else here.

You've no proof that this man is trolling.

You're a fraud.

[TexasToast712]

^^^^^^^
LOL

Proof? I haven't seen any proof from them.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 31 mars 2012 - 09:10 .

[aimlessgun]

Nerf herders? I actually see almost no nerf herders around this forum.

Buff herders is what we are. Get it right.

[TexasToast712]

aimlessgun wrote...

Nerf herders? I actually see almost no nerf herders around this forum.

Buff herders is what we are. Get it right.

I'd say we have a 50/50 split.

[KelbornX]

TexasToast712 wrote...

^^^^
LOL

Yeah, that's how I feel about this thread too.  

Edit:  Oh I love it when people change their posts completely.  Makes this so much more fun.

Modifié par KelbornX, 31 mars 2012 - 09:08 .

[aimlessgun]

TexasToast712 wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

Nerf herders? I actually see almost no nerf herders around this forum.

Buff herders is what we are. Get it right.

I'd say we have a 50/50 split.

Might you say that it's perfectly balanced?

[CheetahZ1]

TexasToast712 wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

Nerf herders? I actually see almost no nerf herders around this forum.

Buff herders is what we are. Get it right.

I'd say we have a 50/50 split.

Nope

[TexasToast712]

aimlessgun wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

Nerf herders? I actually see almost no nerf herders around this forum.

Buff herders is what we are. Get it right.

I'd say we have a 50/50 split.

Might you say that it's perfectly balanced?

icwatudidthar

[J-Reyno]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Play a Soldier then play an Adept/Engineer/Inflitrator and tell me they're not overpowered. Saying everything's OK is not doing anyone a service.

Wouldn't it be better to say that the soldier is underpowered rather than saying THREE other classes are OP, just because it doesn't perform as well?  Sounds more like the soldier needs reworking, not the other classes.  Why do people call for everything to suck rather than trying to make everything viable?

[GodlessPaladin]

TexasToast712 wrote...  Proof? I haven't seen any proof from them.

Apparently, the fact that it says right there in the powers screen that Salarians have better shields than humans is not evidence that they have better shields than humans to TexasToast.  People can put the evidence right in front of you and you will flat out deny that it is there.

I wonder what he thinks the word evidence means, seeing as he seems to think he's presenting some despite never logically linking his premises to his conclusions (and heck, rarely even offerring premises to begin with... only conclusions).

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 mars 2012 - 09:17 .

[TexasToast712]

Reyno411 wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Play a Soldier then play an Adept/Engineer/Inflitrator and tell me they're not overpowered. Saying everything's OK is not doing anyone a service.

Wouldn't it be better to say that the soldier is underpowered rather than saying THREE other classes are OP, just because it doesn't perform as well?  Sounds more like the soldier needs reworking, not the other classes.  Why do people call for everything to suck rather than trying to make everything viable?

I would say the Soldier is just as viable as the others and needs no reworking.