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[eroeru]

Bioware fell from my most beloved, to my most hated developer of all time, with last year. But still, this hate is not at all in balance - it can easily turn into love again (though with a certain bitterness to it). So I'd say that Bioware is the best company to arouse my attention, sure thing!

But for other names, CD Projekt, Obsidian and Konami are (vastly) great game developers.

Modifié par eroeru, 01 avril 2012 - 04:18 .

[Il Divo]

Seagloom wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Seagloom I know you have to appreciate her right?

She is one of the best game characters ever written. That she is a woman is incidental, but serves to make her more awesome. It is very rare to see a well written woman in games without a song and dance about her gender. KotOR2 remains memorable for Kreia alone.

Indeed. I don't think I've encountered a single character written as well. So good was her dialogue that it was what eventually inspired me to my philosophy major.

[Persephone]

slimgrin wrote...

Persephone wrote...

ACK. Shame on me indeed! LUFF ME SOME TROIKA!!! Mea maxima culpa!

Ascaron is an interesting choice. 

I remember them when they where just called "Ascon". Gems like "Gloriana"  and "Vermeer" (And its sequel...) good times. The Patrician series....

Also adding Jowood to the bunch....at their best, they were fantastic. ("The Guild") At their worst.... Well, you people go nuts over Bioware....so stay away. And Sunflowers.

[bEVEsthda]

Bethesda    of course

After that it becomes confused. So many brilliant have fallen. Troika, Crytek, Infinity Ward
Valve is very solid and standup. But also not terribly interesting, I think, so:

Obsidan      has to be next on my list.

[AllThatJazz]

The lovely Black Isle. RIP, and thankyou for Planescape *sob*

[chunkyman]

Obsidian (New Vegas = Amazing).

Rockstar (IV was a bit of a dissapointment, but the company is great nontheless). 

Naughty Dog, because Uncharted is great (although 3 wasn't as good as 2).

Modifié par chunkyman, 01 avril 2012 - 09:39 .

[naughty99]

Godak wrote...


I am surprised to see Obsidian mentioned on here at all. Have they released a single game that wasn't broken from balls to brains?

I'll take a buggy game that is fun to play over a flawless game that sucks, any day! ;-)

Just started playing VTMB, which was developed by Troika, including some current Obsidian employees. I understand it was buggy on release, but I used the community patch and haven't experienced any bugs.

I pre-ordered Fallout New Vegas and the only bugs I noticed at release were some extremely minor cosmetic things like creatures blending into the terrain. Didn't affect my enjoyment of the game at all, and I haven't seen any of those cosmetic issues after the first patch.

As for NWN2, Alpha Protocol and KOTOR 2, I don't recall running into any bugs for those games, either.

Modifié par naughty99, 01 avril 2012 - 10:06 .

[AshedMan]

Ask me this several years ago and I would have said BioWare. Now they aren't even close.

I'd say Valve and CDProjekt.

[LTD]

Blizzard is without rival when it comes dedication and determination to release nothing but truly finished and fine tuned games. Time and time again they have proven they will not put a game out until they are genunely and absolutely satisfied with the quality.  For a number of times now, they've simply killed a game off if it looks it'd fall short from their standards. They have four main franchies, three of them are dominating their respective game genres. It's pretty sick really.

Tempted to praise Valve of more or less similar dedication. It's just getting very hard to view them as devs.  Besides they are very much a one trick pony (again, as devs.)  I'm not sure if it is such a bad thing though.

Lucas Arts around 90's was awesome as well. X-wing,Tie Fighter.. Not to mention a very memorable streak of awesome, timeless point and click adventures after another after another. Dark Forces was developed at same time with Doom and had it been released little earlier, it could be The Game introducing  FPS to larger crowds.  Today they are virtually nonexistant  as devs and shady, unreliable ****s as publishers. Wonder wtf happened. I blame consoles, pads and George Lucas. Most things wrong in western world can be blamed on that unholy trinity.

Bioware had, in my eyes, an absolutely perfect track record for a very long time. Tons of shovelware DLC and game that calls itself DAII make ugly stains though! Regardless, BW too has an insanely impressive history.

Modifié par LTD, 02 avril 2012 - 08:01 .

[Godak]

Seagloom wrote...

Godak wrote...
KoToR2? That's the only game of their's I haven't touched. NWN2, Alpha Protocol, Dungeon Siege 3, and Fallout New Vegas are all good, but they are still broken, which is a pretty bad track record. If you can look past the flaws, more power to you.

It sounds like you are referring to game design here, not bugs.

I think they are good games. They are also buggy games. Blizzard and Valve make games that I think are great while avoiding complete molecular breakdown.

Seagloom wrote...

That is completely subjective.

How much fun a game is is subjective. When a game crashes on me, thar be nuthin' subjective 'bout it! For example, I love Bethesda games, but I cannot give them a free pass when they release games that are horribly broken at launch. I realize that's nigh unavoidable in massive free-roaming environments, but it is hard to suffer through that shamdingle and wuzzamaguzzle (darn censors!). That's why I tend to wait several months before laying down cash to buy their latest product.

[Seagloom]

The second quote is not applicable. I stated it was subjective on the assumption you were actually discussing design, not bugs. If you are referring to bugs, then I must disagree. I played two bug free Obsidian games. Granted, one had minor defects the likes of which every newly released game does; but I doubt that is what anyone means they refer to Obsidian's supposedly broken games.

[_Arkayne_]

Valve no question.
Every game they release is AAA quality and they do a good job of trying to be innovative.
And they support modders and indie developer's.

[milena87]

Obsidian, Remedy, CdProject and Rocksteady have a guaranteed preorder from me (also, I'm insane and I may buy their games multiple times... I have 3 copies of The Witcher...).

Bioware was in there too, but after ME3 I'm not sure...

[Volourn]

Bioware

EA (for their sports games)

[JasonDaPsycho]

Rockstar
- When they release a DLC, it's actually worth paying all those money for. They're literally expansions. (See: The Ballad of Gay Tony and The Lost and Damned of GTA IV)
- Their games are very consistent in terms of quality. (only exception that comes to mind is Manhunt 2)
- Some concepts are controversial, but not for the sake of hyping it up. In other words, you can call it somewhat of an innovation. (See: Bully)
- They take their games seriously and never rush them out. Max Payne 3 was stated for a release in 2009 but was delayed to 2012.

Valve
- Treats customers with respect
- Innovative (Portal)

[JasonDaPsycho]

Volourn wrote...

EA (for their sports games)

EA for their sports games? Really?

Try comparing NBA 2k9 to NBA Live 10. You'll realize 2k9, released one year earlier, is still the better game. EA's last good NBA game was NBA Street v3 with the trick stick feature, which I feel was genuinely innovative and fun to play with.

Modifié par JasonDaPsycho, 02 avril 2012 - 07:20 .

[Godak]

Seagloom wrote...

The second quote is not applicable.

I think we both made some assuming assumptions. Shame on us.

Seagloom wrote...

I played two bug free Obsidian games. Granted, one had minor defects the likes of which every newly released game does; but I doubt that is what anyone means they refer to Obsidian's supposedly broken games.

I'd argue (as you seem to in the next sentence) that no game is ever released bug free (the severity of the bugs are certainly subjective). And, using the power of anecdotal evidence, I will say that Obsidian has very much earned a reptuation for not-so-great QA.

Not the article I was looking for, but totally worth it for the quote: "I see the way others look at you; blind to your faults, like I was [...] But you and I are through."

Also, I totally doubt anything productive will come of this.

[Volourn]

"EA for their sports games? Really?

Try comparing NBA 2k9 to NBA Live 10. You'll realize 2k9, released one year earlier, is still the better game. EA's last good NBA game was NBA Street v3 with the trick stick feature, which I feel was genuinely innovative and fun to play with"

I agree the recent NBA 2k series is better than the NBA Live series (well.. haven't played Live in a few years) but overall EA makes the dominate best sports games in the world. Their NBA Live used to be the best as well. Their hockey, football, and scoccer are untouchable. Their basketball used to be great, and their last baseball game were all fantastic.

So, yeah, overall depsite some exceptions, EA is the best at sports games.

[Chromie]

Godak wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

I played two bug free Obsidian games. Granted, one had minor defects the likes of which every newly released game does; but I doubt that is what anyone means they refer to Obsidian's supposedly broken games.

I'd argue (as you seem to in the next sentence) that no game is ever released bug free (the severity of the bugs are certainly subjective). 

I assume she meant she encountered no bugs in the two games. But what do I know.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I've always liked Relic titles, Bullfrong used to be quite good as was Bungie. Hmm, Climax entertainment was responsible for some awesome console platformers such as Landstalker and Dark Savior. Bethesda has grown on me over the years despite me not initially liking the Elder Scrolls games too much. Bioware was one of my favorite companies till the past two years.

[android654]

[quote]Seagloom wrote...

I played two bug free Obsidian games. Granted, one had minor defects the likes of which every newly released game does; but I doubt that is what anyone means they refer to Obsidian's supposedly broken games.[/quote]

I'd argue (as you seem to in the next sentence) that no game is ever released bug free (the severity of the bugs are certainly subjective). 

[/quote]

It's funny you say that, because I encountered ZERO bugs whenever I have played AP. Yes there are things in the game that feel unfinished, but no bugs that broke the game or corrupted my saves. Obsidian makes quality games.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Valve, regardless of what you say, they give lots of free content to the PC community, and despite their faults and somewhat shameless tactics in some regards, they compensate you very well and are definitely the frontrunner company out there.

If Valve, and by consequence steam was run by any other company, we would be being datamined into oblivion, coupled with insane DRM, monthly/incidental fees and buggy client.

[Godak]

android654 wrote...

It's funny you say that, because I encountered ZERO bugs whenever I have played AP. Yes there are things in the game that feel unfinished, but no bugs that broke the game or corrupted my saves. Obsidian makes quality games.

And it's funny you say this, because Alpha Protocol is my favorite Obsidian title (though it was horribly received...)! That being said, it does have some terrible texture issues reminiscent of an unpatched ME1, but the core game was pretty solid. It didn't blow me out of the water, but it was truly enjoyable.

But we are not talking good, fun, or enjoyable. We're talking best. And (redudancy alert!) I just don't think Obsidian is the best. You are all free to disagree (it's encouraged, really). I was merely surprised at how often they were mentioned.