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Mind-controlling children, the depths of Mars and Stormtroopers 2.0: Thoughts on ME3 after 2nd time to Mars.


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Chashan

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Hallo everyone,

I've recently tried another playthrough of ME3 after finishing it one time. So far, I've gone as far as finishing Mars, and put it on hold for the time being to await further developments concerning everyone's favorite topic, the resolution-and-is-there-more-to-come one. My main focus will be on other things that I haven't seen mentioned all that much so far, however, and I'll try to keep things vague so spoilers aren't too obvious...:S



Now, one thing I had on my mind the first time I encountered the kid from the beginning in the vent on Earth was this: If indoctrination is awfully strong enough to sway personalities such as Saren, what awful effect does it have on kids, whose will is arguably far more easily malleable than that of a hardened spec op such as Mr Arterius?
While I am now convinced, after my second run through the prologue, that the whole vent-incident is indeed awfully suspicious - no comment from Anderson on what Shepard was doing nor any mention of the kid to anyone else -, I do not doubt that in the very beginning, the kid is in fact an actual person and not merely conjecture of Shepard's mind; I've seen the argument that the kid was supposedly playing with a miniature Normandy - which, while possibly an interesting twist, is not the case: it's clearly an Alliance fighter.
So given this, I have no doubt that in the very beginning, at least, Shepard merely idly watches a kid that does what any other kid might do at that age: dreaming of becoming a space-pilot, kicking some slaver flotilla's arse or what-not all by himself, and so on.
Given Shepard's fame and that all too likely Shepard would be every kid's favorite hero-figure on Earth - we've got to remember the recruitment ads that are mentioned in ME2 specifically featuring Shepard -, the kid's reaction is still somewhat odd if we do not consider Reaper influence on youths, write it off as Shepard having received a more than merely sound knock to the back of the head (keep in mind the Reaper laz0r blowing up the tribunal...wish they had fleshed that scene out more prior to the Reapers crashing the party, but I digress) or else apply the kids-are-scared-in-awful-situations thing. The latter of these does not make sense to me, really, except if the kid were like a 3- to 5-year-old. He looks to be somewhat older than that, though, in my opinion, so seriously going with that explanation is indeed something of a stretch.



Now, moving on to the next stage, Mars...it is mentioned in one of the datapads one can pick up that the Prothean complex there might have lower levels that were not yet unearthed.
Now, seeing how the Protheans left behind a certain blue-print of utmost importance in an outpost whose only purpose was to supposedly observe humanity's progress...could this indicate more possible finds there?
I find this especially interesting as it could serve as an alternative to the idea of reintroducing Ilos which was brought up in another post here a while back...if you are familiar with that one, I think you'll know what I'm driving at...^_^
Now one might theorize that this might not be valid, after all we see the Reapers touching down on the site. Then again, strong Reaper presence did not stop us from going in in other places, or did it?



Moving on onto the last point I reflected on, despite not having quite touched down there again yet...Is it just me, or do the Cerberus grunts seem to be something of a rip-off of Star Wars's stormtroopers, only a deal "worse"? While not exactly the same deal origin-wise - they aren't just kicked out of clone-vats - it is mentioned how only borderline individuals and psychopaths voluntarily sign up with Team TIM, and if I recall correctly the Empire's rank-and-file had a similar target audience of people widely considered as "criminal scum" in the days of Luke, Chewie and company.
Now, the reason I equate Cerberus with stormtroopers-gone-worse is their one main supply we are introduced to later on in the game - and how everyone acted surprised how that worked, even though it was painfully obvious to me as soon as the place was given as the next destination...that Ash would still be in shock at who these people used to be even later on in that other Cerberus base even though I had her along in that Cerberus location before that was frankly quite...irritating...:?



Hope I haven't brought up topics that were already discussed to great lengths before. :unsure:

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Bump, and something else I kinda got to rant about concerning the prologue and the rest of the game...

Why is it that, aside from said prologue, we never see any attack runs by the occuli? I mean, sure, we get to fight Harvesters dropping down with troops and all, but why exclude occuli entirely, fleet engagement cinematic at the end aside? I imagine they could pull off better strafe runs than those winged things...
The lack of direct Cerberus air support aside from the infamous gunship with a huge flood light was also left somewhat unexplored...

And then there's the stand-off at the end of the prologue: Why aren't husks thrown in to the mix with the cannibals, giving a first taste of Reaper's approach to combined "arms"? It would have made a more entertaining finale to that level. I can see how they would want to convey that the mainstay of Reaper troops would be made up of batarian victims, but still...

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...once I licked a tree to see how it tasted.

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BioJaegar wrote...

...once I licked a tree to see how it tasted.


You know what you should try?  Licking a truck bumper in dead of winter!  Seriously.  It just tastes...different.

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Getorex wrote...

BioJaegar wrote...

...once I licked a tree to see how it tasted.


You know what you should try?  Licking a truck bumper in dead of winter!  Seriously.  It just tastes...different.


I will gladly take you up on that offer.  Its is a shame that I live on Tuchunka, and therefore, it does not snow.

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BioJaegar wrote...

Getorex wrote...

BioJaegar wrote...

...once I licked a tree to see how it tasted.


You know what you should try?  Licking a truck bumper in dead of winter!  Seriously.  It just tastes...different.


I will gladly take you up on that offer.  Its is a shame that I live on Tuchunka, and therefore, it does not snow.


...the exact point of you two being?

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BioJaegar

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Tbh, Chasan, Im not sure. I'd read more of your argument if I had a lengthy attention span.

Alas, I do not.

I only vaugely read your complaint about cerby-stromtroopers, and the husks and cannibals.

If You find the two similar, good for you. I really didnt make any relations between the two. The only thing I found off about Cerberus was the fact that in 6 months (maybe more) they mobilized an entire army large enough to spread across much of the galaxy. AND they somehow recovered the hureaper-prototype, despite me blowing up the base. Entirely. How is that possible?

The cannibal thing didnt bother me either. Im not one for extensive nitpicking like this, but you've a good eye, for sure. Im not condemning you for finding these small things, (some of which are opinionated), but rather, pleased you found them. Someone more interesting than I can raise debate, but good for you. Really.

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BioJaegar wrote...

Tbh, Chasan, Im not sure. I'd read more of your argument if I had a lengthy attention span.

Alas, I do not.


So you're saying it was all too much of a case of TL;DR....if so, why even bother commenting on it?

I only vaugely read your complaint about cerby-stromtroopers, and the husks and cannibals.

If You find the two similar, good for you. I really didnt make any relations between the two. The only thing I found off about Cerberus was the fact that in 6 months (maybe more) they mobilized an entire army large enough to spread across much of the galaxy. AND they somehow recovered the hureaper-prototype, despite me blowing up the base. Entirely. How is that possible?


Concerning the stormtroopers-analogy of mine, it's nothing I state to be absolute, just that the similarities are there, to me at least...mind you, I am not big on Star Wars, that's why I asked for input whether the average latter-day stormtrooper there is supposed to be dregs from some back-alley as well or not. Now I could go into how the docking-bay on their final base looks very Death Star-ish to me as well, but a full-blown dissection of "inspirations" borrowed by ME3 from SW was not my point to begin with.

As for Cerberus being able to reverse-engineer that heart and churning out a fleet to match the Alliance on a galactic scale...as far as the latter is concerned, that's not really the impression I had. Rather that Cerberus could take full advantage of the Council being engaged on nearly all fronts by the Reapers and do their dick moves to delay or outright disrupt the Council races's plans - occupying that comm relay, denying control of Tuchanka's air-space etc. The attack on Cerberus's final base was carried out by only one fleet, and it didn't sound to me like that was too much trouble.

The Heart, then...I've seen the complaint about that some place else, and it sure is valid. The way the consequences of the two endings to ME2 are handled there as a whole are really rather underwhelming, to say the least (difference being the number of war assets delivered, a whopping 10 between the two...yeah right). Although I can still buy that Cerberus, being the ingenious pretty cool guy they are were able to rebuild that thing from mere scraps again. I can believe that by a certain stretch of the imagination only, but still.

The cannibal thing didnt bother me either. Im not one for extensive nitpicking like this, but you've a good eye, for sure. Im not condemning you for finding these small things, (some of which are opinionated), but rather, pleased you found them. Someone more interesting than I can raise debate, but good for you. Really.


Fine, I guess.

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Habs25

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Chashan wrote...

BioJaegar wrote...

Getorex wrote...

BioJaegar wrote...

...once I licked a tree to see how it tasted.


You know what you should try?  Licking a truck bumper in dead of winter!  Seriously.  It just tastes...different.


I will gladly take you up on that offer.  Its is a shame that I live on Tuchunka, and therefore, it does not snow.


...the exact point of you two being?


The point of their posts is that there is no room for thoughtful discussion here, only for ****ing, demanding, and retaking a game that was not theirs in the first place.