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[Otaku Hanzo]

Mommy, make it stop!

[zarnk567]

SaleemRa wrote...

Hi guys, first time poster but been lurking a while here in what my wife has taken to calling "the Black Hole".

Ok I actually liked the ending, I personally dig the whole OTT melodramatic warriors self sacrifice theme and I'll try to explain why I like it because a few anti-enders (sorry if thats not what you call yourself but cant think of a better word atm) have voiced that the pro enders never answer the question.

First off I'd just like to say that interpretation is very subjective and is dependent on a whole bunch of things like upbringing, local norms etc - none is better then the other but the can be very different, that being the case I would expect a lot of the ppl here on this forum would have a different view to mine. In fact I'd be suprised if they didnt.

Reasons why I liked the ending:

1) I got to do what I had always wanted to do. IE wipe out the reapers

2) That last scene with with TIM and Andy was very satisfying, watching TIM cap himself was even better then doing it my self coz I felt the SOB wasnt worth the effort. Andy dying right next to me made me cry. The plot hole on how Hacket knew I survived was an easy one for me since he obviously noted the citadel opening up and he probably assumed that Mr.Hero aka me did it. Failing that he probably heard the whole dialogue between me, Andy and TIM via Andy's comm since his armor was pretty much unscathed.

3) I was the BAWS - so much so my daughter has taken to repeating lol. I saved the whole friggin universe! Now I reject the theory that relay destruction = supernova on the the grounds that in arrival the relay was not in an active state, it was more or less idling so it probably had a lot more pent up energy when it blew. The ME3 ending scene showed the relay spinning at a much higher speed and establishing a mass free corridor before it popped. This to me says most of its destructive potential was spent. The light show was the kill/control/synth switch mechanism - kinda silly if you ask me but they needed something to show that the msg was being sent. My guess is that they probably ran out of ideas by this stage IMHO.

4) Normandy getting out of town was not an issue for me - why? Well it made sense to me that Joker had no idea what was going on and when he saw the citadel go up and that big shock wave coming his way he got the hell outa dodge. I seem to recall he got to close to the collector ship when it got taken out and the Normandy got tossed like a rag doll, this wave was magnitudes bigger so he probably just cut and run. My best guess is that the wave carried them along and Joker some how managed to escape it as they came across some random garden world. Additionally the crew I saw at the end were NOT on the final mission with me. I ran the race to the beam with EDI and Vega but Tali and Garrus came strolling out in my ending so I'm calling this one a BUG - It has to be and I wouldnt be surprised if its a flagging error kinda like Verner Conrad in ME2. They were probably rushing this last bit of code and it slipped past the testers who were just glad that the whole thing was over - playtesting from start to finish is very tiring and by the end there is a lot of room for mistakes or for things to just slip by unnoticed. So the whole thing with you tube vids showing dead crew or guys on earth walking out of the wreck leads me to believe that its just a programming error.

5)The catalyst was an "aha I knew it!" moment for me. The kid always bothered me something was up and the fact that he kept appearing in Sheps dreams raised flags in my mind. Now I will be the first to admit that the original kid MAY have been real in the beginning but he kept being painted in a negative light to me in the dreams so when I saw him as the catalyst I knew it was a trick. The reapers were trying to indoctrinate me the moment I got on the citadel it was obvious to me they were trying to make me sympathetic to their cause by showing up in his form. This lead me to believe that EVERYTHING it was saying was a lie. This also resolved the Deus Ex Machina issue for me, EDI already mentioned to me in a previous conversation that the Reapers would do anything to ensure their survival and since she didnt want to be like the reapers she would put her body on the line to save joker and crew if need be. Now bearing this in mind the whole star kids story about it being a higher power controlling the reapers and it was its solution was it blatantly lying to my face in the same way politicians do come election day. It obviously didnt want to get controlled heck even the geth were overwhelmed by the reapers mind it was ludicrous to think that I could do it - so its a honey trap. Even if Shep got somehow uploaded he would be overwhelmed and corrupted so the cycle would eventually continue again. Green was what the reapers wanted all along ie to harvest eveyrone. Synth in my mind was everyone getting "infected" by reaper code or nannites or whatever thus turning into reapers themselves ie the pinnacle of evolution. Note this transformation did not necessarily mean they turned into giant spaceships using fog horns for speech, this was what they wanted all along but the crucible gave them a better way to do it and do it on a larger scale. Either way the relays go pop, if blue its because they want the universe to get isolated and forget so they can wait it out and come back at a later time. If its Green then the reapers are mission complete so they dont need the relays anymore. Red is just death to the reapers and since the relays were made by them same thing goes for them.

6) Fate of the Citadel is ambiguous and not defined and can be anything we want. Is everybody dead? We dont know. All we know is that the arms got blown off the presidium ring. Shelters on the wards could still be intact for all we know - we can fill in the blanks ourselves coz its not important. Even the fate of Shep is not really known, for all intensive purposes he could be on the Presedium ring still. We dont know for sure if it was completely blown apart or just broken at the hinges. I dont think that the wreck is going to fall into the earth anytime soon or at all - just not enough info there so we are free to decide what we want.

So that is why I like the ending and that is what I got out of it. Feel free to have your own interpretations.

well about 6..... I got some bad news.... Devs confirmed over twitter that everyone on the citadel is dead accept a select few who escaped.... And we see the Citadel explode in Destroy and Synthisis endings it only does not blow up in control. and I'm not gonna touch the other numbers. But I'am glad you liked the ending and explained why.

[SaleemRa]

magnutz06 wrote...

magnutz06 wrote...

Honest question to those who like the ending.

Were you happy with the representation given to the allies and assets collected throughout the trilogy ?? Even at 100% GR with over 7000 pts for assets all that was shown was a cameo of the fleet.

Starchild and last minute antagonist reveal aside I found this to be most upsetting. Three games of unifying the ME galaxy and they were all offscreen canon. I find it tragic that anyone who played the series could be happy with Shep taking back alleys and backstreets, while the rest of the galaxy was where?

Please I want to understand your mindset. How did you truly feel when all your backup was ignored in the finale?

Just want to bump this until a proender answers. I would really appreciate an answer. I would love to find a way to love the ending the way you guys do.

TBH I was ok with it, The whole sword fleet fight was not something shepard was going to see and in my game les then 50% of hammer made it to the staging area. I got to see krogan turians and Asari duking it out so I was fine with it.

I imagined that whole end sction literally being shep at the very front of it all, everyone else wa following him.

[SaleemRa]

zarnk567 wrote...

SaleemRa wrote...

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well about 6..... I got some bad news.... Devs confirmed over twitter that everyone on the citadel is dead accept a select few who escaped.... And we see the Citadel explode in Destroy and Synthisis endings it only does not blow up in control. and I'm not gonna touch the other numbers. But I'am glad you liked the ending and explained why.

Really, I havent been following the twitter stuff so I missed tht one. Thats very sad then, it makes my vengence against the reapers all the more satisfying then.

[yuurheen]

The ending are not that bad. its just that they dont fit in with the rest of mass effect it could have worked in other games. theme's, choises, info etc.

[zarnk567]

SaleemRa wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

SaleemRa wrote...

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well about 6..... I got some bad news.... Devs confirmed over twitter that everyone on the citadel is dead accept a select few who escaped.... And we see the Citadel explode in Destroy and Synthisis endings it only does not blow up in control. and I'm not gonna touch the other numbers. But I'am glad you liked the ending and explained why.

Really, I havent been following the twitter stuff so I missed tht one. Thats very sad then, it makes my vengence against the reapers all the more satisfying then.

Yea, My other complaint other than the ending. Is that they decide to annouce important story info that shoulda been in the game over twitter...... kinda screws over fans over who don't have twitter. Get your act together Bioware

[magnutz06]

Thanks for the reply. Guess it breaks down to not caring if the majority of your gameplay choices get ignored. I can't get over the fact that even the scenes your talking about were so short. The cameos with krogan and asari were superfast and tons of allies and assets were just flatout ignored. If you want a list I would be happy to supply one.

Either way thanks again for the reply but I personally cant ignore all the gameplay from three games being condensed in such a manner. An entire galaxy had almost no visible or actual effect on the final battle.

Modifié par magnutz06, 31 mars 2012 - 11:16 .

[Shepard108278]

magnutz06 wrote...

Thanks for the reply. Guess it breaks down to not caring if the majority of your gameplay choices get ignored. I can't get over the fact that even the scenes your talking about were so short. The cameos with krogan and asari were superfast and tons of allies and assets were just flatout ignored. If you want a list I would be happy to supply one.

Either way thanks again for the reply but I personally cant ignore all the gameplay from three games being condensed in such a manner. An entire galaxy had almost no visible or actual effect on the final battle.

I disagree. It was condensed yes. Could it have been shown better maybe but the main part of the story was stoping the reapers which was focused on Shep. I saw all my forces get together, I saw them attack the crap out of the reapers and saw my efforts suceed, so in the end i was happy, yes ending included.

[Jackal7713]

Shepard108278 wrote...

magnutz06 wrote...

Thanks for the reply. Guess it breaks down to not caring if the majority of your gameplay choices get ignored. I can't get over the fact that even the scenes your talking about were so short. The cameos with krogan and asari were superfast and tons of allies and assets were just flatout ignored. If you want a list I would be happy to supply one.

Either way thanks again for the reply but I personally cant ignore all the gameplay from three games being condensed in such a manner. An entire galaxy had almost no visible or actual effect on the final battle.

I disagree. It was condensed yes. Could it have been shown better maybe but the main part of the story was stoping the reapers which was focused on Shep. I saw all my forces get together, I saw them attack the crap out of the reapers and saw my efforts suceed, so in the end i was happy, yes ending included.

Glad it did it for you buddy. But bioware won't be getting getting praise from me again. They have crossed a line of being a good developer. To shaft a fanbase in such a manner is unforgivable. Its time to let them reap what the sow. Let another developer come in an take their place, since they want to change direction. I'm sad to see them go but thats how it works.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 31 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[Shepard108278]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

magnutz06 wrote...

Thanks for the reply. Guess it breaks down to not caring if the majority of your gameplay choices get ignored. I can't get over the fact that even the scenes your talking about were so short. The cameos with krogan and asari were superfast and tons of allies and assets were just flatout ignored. If you want a list I would be happy to supply one.

Either way thanks again for the reply but I personally cant ignore all the gameplay from three games being condensed in such a manner. An entire galaxy had almost no visible or actual effect on the final battle.

I disagree. It was condensed yes. Could it have been shown better maybe but the main part of the story was stoping the reapers which was focused on Shep. I saw all my forces get together, I saw them attack the crap out of the reapers and saw my efforts suceed, so in the end i was happy, yes ending included.

Glad it did it for you buddy. But bioware won't be getting getting praise from me again. They have crossed a line of being a good developer. To shaft a fanbase in such a manner is unforgivable. Its time to let them reap what the sow. Let another developer come in an take their place, since they want to change direction. I'm sad to see them go but thats how it works.

Crossed a line? I don't see anything like that. They havent shafted their fanbase they concluded the best scifi trillogy since Star Wars in excellent fashion and I fully support them and will continue to.

[Dire Wombat]

These posts wouldn't bother me at all (everyone's entitled to their opinion) if it weren't for the fact that every single one of them claims that people who hate the endings didn't understand them (see the OP's offhand "not everyone got the point" line).

Look, I get it. People are saying the endings are not just bad, but stupid. You liked them and you don't want to feel dumb for liking them, so the easy thing to do for your ego is pretend all the haters just can't understand things on the same level you do. But it's just not true, and doing that is the source of a lot of the hate you get in response to these posts.

Why can't you just accept that you like something that most people hated, take it as you having unusual taste in fiction, and leave it at that? Why pick an unwinnable fight just to make yourself feel better?

Modifié par Dire Wombat, 31 mars 2012 - 11:32 .

[Reverse Centaur]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

magnutz06 wrote...

Thanks for the reply. Guess it breaks down to not caring if the majority of your gameplay choices get ignored. I can't get over the fact that even the scenes your talking about were so short. The cameos with krogan and asari were superfast and tons of allies and assets were just flatout ignored. If you want a list I would be happy to supply one.

Either way thanks again for the reply but I personally cant ignore all the gameplay from three games being condensed in such a manner. An entire galaxy had almost no visible or actual effect on the final battle.

I disagree. It was condensed yes. Could it have been shown better maybe but the main part of the story was stoping the reapers which was focused on Shep. I saw all my forces get together, I saw them attack the crap out of the reapers and saw my efforts suceed, so in the end i was happy, yes ending included.

Glad it did it for you buddy. But bioware won't be getting getting praise from me again. They have crossed a line of being a good developer. To shaft a fanbase in such a manner is unforgivable. Its time to let them reap what the sow. Let another developer come in an take their place, since they want to change direction. I'm sad to see them go but thats how it works.

You'll be there day one with money in hand for their next release.

[humes spork]

lillitheris wrote...

Ah, but given that it's forming as a result of the FTL exit and therefore not in regular space, technically space is a slower medium.

Cherenkov radiation is light. That's it. Particles exceed the phase velocity of light in a medium, energize particles with which it interacts which then release photons in the wake of aforementioned particles.

Which, the whole "medium" thing is key; there isn't enough matter in space for wave propagation such as that which creates Cherenkov radiation to occur.

Even if the Normandy's crew were to be directly exposed to Cherenkov radiation (which they wouldn't be in the first place thanks to how wave propagation works), the worse they'd get is a sunburn. Maybe carcinoma in a decade or two. That's it. There's no acute radiation sickness to be found there, because for that to happen the radiation to which someone is exposed must be ionizing and Cherenkov radiation isn't.

The codex straight-up got it wrong.

It hang suspende in mid air next to plateau, thats not landing. You need a suitable mounting platform for that to work. 

Yes, because hovering mere inches above the ground opposed to actually making contact with the ground, despite the fact hovering is actually more energy-intensive and technically difficult for aircraft of all makes to achieve opposed to standard flight or landing, entirely invalidates the point and means it's automatically a gaping plothole from which the story is ruined forever, right?

Because  and SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE, I'm certain.

Modifié par humes spork, 01 avril 2012 - 04:47 .

[Hot_Rod]

Reverse Centaur wrote...

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You'll be there day one with money in hand for their next release.

I will never Pre-order another EA, Origins, or BioWare product again.  At best I'll wait a few months till the price drops in half, then (maybe if its worthwhile) buy it.   Trust is a commodity, hard to earn, and BioWare lost it.

[DarkBladeX98]

ignorance prevails.
evidence against ending is solid.
Pro-enders must not care about
A. Their Shepard
B. The galaxy
C. The fact that they can rewrite everyone's DNA if they see fit, the very thing they've been combating ever since ME1. "Genetic Destiny" and all come full circle thanks to YOU, not Harby, YOU.

[Elite Midget]

This topic went down a very predictable path.

[DarkBladeX98]

Dire Wombat wrote...

These posts wouldn't bother me at all (everyone's entitled to their opinion) if it weren't for the fact that every single one of them claims that people who hate the endings didn't understand them (see the OP's offhand "not everyone got the point" line).

Look, I get it. People are saying the endings are not just bad, but stupid. You liked them and you don't want to feel dumb for liking them, so the easy thing to do for your ego is pretend all the haters just can't understand things on the same level you do. But it's just not true, and doing that is the source of a lot of the hate you get in response to these posts.

Why can't you just accept that you like something that most people hated, take it as you having unusual taste in fiction, and leave it at that? Why pick an unwinnable fight just to make yourself feel better?

[Reth Shepherd]

Ending A

Ending B

I understand that different people have different tastes, but I personally have a hard time believing that most would not immediately pick A. Even aside from (plentiful) Frell Yeah! moments, A is also the ending that is foreshadowed throughout most of the game. B...just kinda comes out of nowhere. I would also just like to say that if Bioware wanted us to assume that blowing up the relays wouldn't cause a galaxy-wide version of Arrival, then it would have been nice to have a hint that such was possible.

[naufrago1984]

Yeah space magic and synthetic-organic DNA synthesys just brilliant....

[Ashilana]

pablosplinter wrote...

Glad you enjoyed it. I wish I could have

Would have been nice.