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[Funkdrspot]

Personally I waffle on the ending between 'meh' and 'terribad'.

I don't mind the plotholes because they were smaller than most movies.

I don't mind the 3 choices because that's just how the catalyst was designed

What I dislike is how similar the ends are aside from earth being torched. Oh and the normandy. I thought that was incredibly cheesy.

Its just a letdown because up to that point, the game was about to go down as top 3 all time for me.

[Raanz]

I think a lot of folks who didn't like the ending would honestly like to know what "you got". As an enlightened ME3 gamer, maybe you could share what there is to get?

The way I see it, people either liked the ending, or didn't. If you did then great! Really. Everyone has an opinion and your's is no more valid or invalid then the people who didn't like it. What might put some folks off from your statement is that it makes you sound elitist. Like there was some profoundly deep meaning in the ending that only a few people have the brain-pan to understand.

I consider myself...not dumb, and yet I have trouble understanding 90% of what happened at the end. The introduction of the Starchild? Shepard surviving the Citadel explosion, re-entry into Earth's atmo, and surviving the fall to the ground on a huge pile of rubble. Help me understand it.
Shepard's sudden enlightened position about synthetic life and organics and the "natural order of things". His inability to question anything that a newly introduced omnipotent being has just presented him with after going almost 3 years (story-time) with a single goal in mind. Did he have an epiphany?

Just curious.

[Tazzmission]

The Angry One wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

then you didnt see all my threads.

i made one lastnight titled me3 ending hinted in me1 and i gave some ideas on it

The Klencory thing is a ridiculous stretch that hints at nothing, it requires 200 times the leaps of faith that the IT required, it is nothing and people like you always get upset when we point out it's nothing.

how so?

is it that hard to accept maybe this is where bioware was going all along and the only thing changed was the dark energy ending?

[The Angry One]

Bigdoser wrote...

All i want to know is WHY some people like the ending and how did they understand it.

They will never get into detail about the actual ending (rather than the one they make up in their heads) because they may have to reflect on the fact that it IS objectively bad and BioWare DID mess up.

[Velocithon]

Evil Minion wrote...
The ending was not "objectively bad."

There are no "facts" when interpretting art.

Art is subjective. Your opinions are just that: opinions. You may think your opinions are facts because you feel strongly about them, but it still doesn't make them facts.

If there's anything you don't "get," it's apparently the difference between "subjective" and "objective" thought.

Oh look. One of THESE guys.

*cracks knuckles*

Video games are not art. Video games follow a storyline. That storyline can be flawed. The ending to ME3 is flawed. Art, as in paintings, doesn't have this. They can be neither right nor wrong and are MEANT to be viewed from multiple perspectives. Get that through your thick skull. Go it? Ok good.

The Angry One is dead on. What happened in the ending is bad. It contradicts EVERYTHING prior to that point. There's no two ways about this. This is a FACT. Not opinion. FACT.

Stop trying to be "cool" by going against the flow.

[Reverse Centaur]

The Angry One wrote...

Evil Minion wrote...

The ending was not "objectively bad."

There are no "facts" when interpretting art.

Art is subjective. Your opinions are just that: opinions. You may think your opinions are facts because you feel strongly about them, but it still doesn't make them facts.

If there's anything you don't "get," it's apparently the difference between "subjective" and "objective" thought.

No. It's bad. It violates fundamental rules of literature, including introducing a new character with new exposition in the final segment of the story. It is bad.
Do not play the art card, art is objectively bad or good. Scribbling on a piece of paper and calling it "art" is the defence of hipstersand artistes.

It's OK that you still can't understand why some people might feel differently. It's probably the same reason a lot of meaning went right over your head.

[Hexley UK]

Bigdoser wrote...

All i want to know is WHY some people like the ending and how did they understand it.

I'd like to do a poll asking what peoples IQ's are and whether they liked the ending or not but it may be offensive to some......

[Generic Name]

Raanz wrote...

I think a lot of folks who didn't like the ending would honestly like to know what "you got". As an enlightened ME3 gamer, maybe you could share what there is to get?

The way I see it, people either liked the ending, or didn't. If you did then great! Really. Everyone has an opinion and your's is no more valid or invalid then the people who didn't like it. What might put some folks off from your statement is that it makes you sound elitist. Like there was some profoundly deep meaning in the ending that only a few people have the brain-pan to understand.

I consider myself...not dumb, and yet I have trouble understanding 90% of what happened at the end. The introduction of the Starchild? Shepard surviving the Citadel explosion, re-entry into Earth's atmo, and surviving the fall to the ground on a huge pile of rubble. Help me understand it.
Shepard's sudden enlightened position about synthetic life and organics and the "natural order of things". His inability to question anything that a newly introduced omnipotent being has just presented him with after going almost 3 years (story-time) with a single goal in mind. Did he have an epiphany?

Just curious.

They'll just play the 'you do not get it card'.

[The Angry One]

Tazzmission wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

then you didnt see all my threads.

i made one lastnight titled me3 ending hinted in me1 and i gave some ideas on it

The Klencory thing is a ridiculous stretch that hints at nothing, it requires 200 times the leaps of faith that the IT required, it is nothing and people like you always get upset when we point out it's nothing.

how so?

is it that hard to accept maybe this is where bioware was going all along and the only thing changed was the dark energy ending?

I'll accept it when evidence is provided. Klencory is not evidence. I repeat, the IT has 200 times the evidence of this Klencory connection and yet that is little more than fanfiction.
But IT demonstrates you can twist the facts of the story to suit an agenda. That is what you are doing with Klencory.

[The Angry One]

Reverse Centaur wrote...

It's OK that you still can't understand why some people might feel differently. It's probably the same reason a lot of meaning went right over your head.

Are you trying to be ironic? Because you just said exactly what I predicted someone would say.
If the meaning went "over our heads", why don't you explain it? Hm?

[Bigdoser]

Quietness wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

I think there is an "artistic" way to kill people that actually make it a "good thing". That's my opinion, but don't ask me to justify it because I have no obligation to do so.

Hahaha.

Nah thats cool its your opinon, while i may disagree you are entitled to it. Its when we are told opion = fact or i get it you dont is when backing up is required.

Exactly I want to know why I don't "get" it I want people who like the endings to explain. Cause all I see in the me3 endings is giant plot holes so large you can fly 5 destiny ascension's through them.

[Tazzmission]

Velocithon wrote...

Evil Minion wrote...
The ending was not "objectively bad."

There are no "facts" when interpretting art.

Art is subjective. Your opinions are just that: opinions. You may think your opinions are facts because you feel strongly about them, but it still doesn't make them facts.

If there's anything you don't "get," it's apparently the difference between "subjective" and "objective" thought.

Oh look. One of THESE guys.

*cracks knuckles*

Video games are not art. Video games follow a storyline. That storyline can be flawed. The ending to ME3 is flawed. Art, as in paintings, doesn't have this. They can be neither right nor wrong and are MEANT to be viewed from multiple perspectives. Get that through your thick skull. Go it? Ok good.

The Angry One is dead on. What happened in the ending is bad. It contradicts EVERYTHING prior to that point. There's no two ways about this. This is a FACT. Not opinion. FACT.

Stop trying to be "cool" by going against the flow.

video games are art if you take the time to look it up dude

your only saying it isnt because of the ending and you know it

i think its really funny that the da2 crowd as mad as they were never went this far and said games arent art

[Denethar]

People shouldn't be able to post while drunk.

[Hexley UK]

Velocithon wrote...

Evil Minion wrote...
The ending was not "objectively bad."

There are no "facts" when interpretting art.

Art is subjective. Your opinions are just that: opinions. You may think your opinions are facts because you feel strongly about them, but it still doesn't make them facts.

If there's anything you don't "get," it's apparently the difference between "subjective" and "objective" thought.

Oh look. One of THESE guys.

*cracks knuckles*

Video games are not art. Video games follow a storyline. That storyline can be flawed. The ending to ME3 is flawed. Art, as in paintings, doesn't have this. They can be neither right nor wrong and are MEANT to be viewed from multiple perspectives. Get that through your thick skull. Go it? Ok good.

The Angry One is dead on. What happened in the ending is bad. It contradicts EVERYTHING prior to that point. There's no two ways about this. This is a FACT. Not opinion. FACT.

Stop trying to be "cool" by going against the flow.

Here here!

The endings are so incredibly bad I just cannot comprehend how they made it into the game....I just can't imagine anyone at Bioware looking at that crap and saying it's good to go seriously.

[Tazzmission]

The Angry One wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

then you didnt see all my threads.

i made one lastnight titled me3 ending hinted in me1 and i gave some ideas on it

The Klencory thing is a ridiculous stretch that hints at nothing, it requires 200 times the leaps of faith that the IT required, it is nothing and people like you always get upset when we point out it's nothing.

how so?

is it that hard to accept maybe this is where bioware was going all along and the only thing changed was the dark energy ending?

I'll accept it when evidence is provided. Klencory is not evidence. I repeat, the IT has 200 times the evidence of this Klencory connection and yet that is little more than fanfiction.
But IT demonstrates you can twist the facts of the story to suit an agenda. That is what you are doing with Klencory.

and like i always say we wont know anything till pax friday

so hopefully the multiple ending threads can stop until then

[esideras]

Dava Flava wrote...
You've been getting a lot of horrible feedback about the ME3 ending, and I just wanted to say thank you for crafting an amazing conclusion to such a sweeping narrative. 

Horrible feedback? How is it horrible, it's pretty indepth. Take this for instance , have you seen a 40 minute feedback of the ending before?

[The Angry One]

Tazzmission wrote...

video games are art if you take the time to look it up dude

your only saying it isnt because of the ending and you know it

i think its really funny that the da2 crowd as mad as they were never went this far and said games arent art

You need to learn the difference between an artform and fine art.
Videogames are not fine art. They are open to criticism and subject to review. If they are storybased, they must be held up to basic standards in literature that have been held for hundreds of years.
ME3's ending does not.

[Bigdoser]

Hexley UK wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

Evil Minion wrote...
The ending was not "objectively bad."

There are no "facts" when interpretting art.

Art is subjective. Your opinions are just that: opinions. You may think your opinions are facts because you feel strongly about them, but it still doesn't make them facts.

If there's anything you don't "get," it's apparently the difference between "subjective" and "objective" thought.

Oh look. One of THESE guys.

*cracks knuckles*

Video games are not art. Video games follow a storyline. That storyline can be flawed. The ending to ME3 is flawed. Art, as in paintings, doesn't have this. They can be neither right nor wrong and are MEANT to be viewed from multiple perspectives. Get that through your thick skull. Go it? Ok good.

The Angry One is dead on. What happened in the ending is bad. It contradicts EVERYTHING prior to that point. There's no two ways about this. This is a FACT. Not opinion. FACT.

Stop trying to be "cool" by going against the flow.

Here here!

The endings are so incredibly bad I just cannot comprehend how they made it into the game....I just can't imagine anyone at Bioware looking at that crap and saying it's good to go seriously.

Well in the final hours app none of the writers  actually looked at the endings the rest of the game was peer reviewed between all the writers the ending wasen't for some reason. 

Modifié par Bigdoser, 31 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[Caz Tirin]

Coming up on page 8 and still the pro-enders will not answer the question that was asked on page 1. "What did you 'get' about the ending that the rest of us did not?"

[Jere85]

Oh, not some art guy again... i dont have the energy to keep debunking this...

[Quietness]

Whatever, its obvious that the people who "get it" are just trolling on her, enjoy cherry picking your responses to make yourselves feel better.

[Evil Minion]

The Angry One wrote...

Evil Minion wrote...

The ending was not "objectively bad."

There are no "facts" when interpretting art.

Art is subjective. Your opinions are just that: opinions. You may think your opinions are facts because you feel strongly about them, but it still doesn't make them facts.

If there's anything you don't "get," it's apparently the difference between "subjective" and "objective" thought.

No. It's bad. It violates fundamental rules of literature, including introducing a new character with new exposition in the final segment of the story. It is bad.
Do not play the art card, art is objectively bad or good. Scribbling on a piece of paper and calling it "art" is the defence of hipstersand artistes.

Art is not "objectively bad" or "objectively good."

The ME3 endings were not "objectively bad" or "objectively good."

There are no "rules of literature."

You've given me absolutely no reason to accept your interpretation of the endings beyond yelling that I'm a "hipster" if I disagree with you while simultaneously complaining about people "talking down to you."

That the Earth revoles around the sun has an objective, scientific metric by which we can measure it. It holds true in every culture. Whether the ME3 endings were "good" or "bad" do not have an objective metric; therefore, it is subjective. If the ME3 endings ae "objectively bad," then you should be able to point me towards the empirical, physical, repeatable principle that demonstrates it.

I'll wait.

[Hexley UK]

Dava Flava wrote...
You've been getting a lot of horrible feedback about the ME3 ending, and I just wanted to say thank you for crafting an amazing conclusion to such a sweeping narrative. 

These is no narrative by the time the end farts off into the distance because the ending DESTROYS the narrative...it literally goes against all the rules of story telling.

[The Angry One]

Tazzmission wrote...

and like i always say we wont know anything till pax friday

so hopefully the multiple ending threads can stop until then

You do realise that Klencory counts as terrible foreshadowing either way?
It's entirely skippable. It's vague. It's never followed up on. You do not get to point to that and say "AHAH!", it's the very definition of grasping at emergency induction ports.

[pablosplinter]