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[Hazardo]

Personally, I thought it was pretty much self-explanatory that using a modded Coalesced.bin in the singleplayer was perfectly fine. But then I stumbled upon this thread. The answer Scylla Costa gave on the first page was exactly how I imagined Bioware would react to Coalesced modding. But then, on the second page, Thomas Abram bluntly stated that "you will be banned if Origin picks up that you modified SP" without going into any details, and locked the thread.

So the question still stands. What does Origin count as a "cheat", if it runs some kind of check on the Coalesced.bin? FOV-tweaks are obviously not in that category, or else the forums would be full of complaints. Let's take an example: if I were to modify the Argus and Valkyrie to fire 3 and 2 round bursts respectively when used by the AI squadmates, and to increase Revenant's accuracy and damage a little, am I running a risk of getting banned? As far as I know, weapon stats are stored server-side and thus can't be accessed from the Coalesced.bin, but even if they could, would I get banned even if I switched back to the unmodified Coalesced.bin when playing MP?

And I apologise if this matter has been discussed more closely somewhere. A quick search didn't bring up any clear
answers.

Thomas Abram edit*

Thomas Abram wrote...

To clarify,

Scylla was
correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in
that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to
your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x
amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there
is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for
that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM
(the same two questions from many different users) as well as support
what Scylla said.

As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned
for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was)
they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the
game.

Modifié par Hazardo, 01 avril 2012 - 10:04 .

[Jestina]

That's stupid if they ban you for modifying a game that you freaking bought. Bad enough that they spy on us. As long as you are not profiting off the game, it's none of their F'ing business what you do with it after you've paid for it.

[devSin]

Wow, that's pretty disgusting if true.

Modifié par devSin, 31 mars 2012 - 08:05 .

[Aaleel]

Well it should watch out for cheating in MP.  If they mean SP, I figure they don't want people modifying their war assets. They want those SP player people in MP trying to get that galactic readiness% up.

Modifié par Aaleel, 31 mars 2012 - 08:06 .

[Jestina]

Imperium Alpha wrote...
As of Single Player. I don't think this is really and issue except if people unlock thing they shouldn't have acces to without buying a DLC or such.

If it came with the product you paid for then you have every right to access it. If they didn't want you to have something, they shouldn't have given it to you in the first place. That's like a company selling you something, then you telling you you can't open the box.

[vader da slayer]

Jestina wrote...

That's stupid if they ban you for modifying a game that you freaking bought. Bad enough that they spy on us. As long as you are not profiting off the game, it's none of their ****g business what you do with it after you've paid for it.

they still own the rights to the IP you just own the disc and the right to play the game (and what they say you can play, ie modding to unlock unpurchased dlc regardless if its on the disc or not), not the right to modify it.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 31 mars 2012 - 08:10 .

[Kub666]

Errr... I can't imagine them banning you from SP - I mean, sure they technically can, but in such case I would like my money back.

[Jestina]

Kub666 wrote...
Errr... I can't imagine them banning you from SP - I mean, sure they technically can, but in such case I would like my money back.

Same here. Give me my money back or be prepared for a lawsuit.

[redplague]

This is something that is a recurring theme on the Bioware forums, and I don't mean specifically the issue of modding the SP files. I'm talking about the locking of threads without an answer to the questions people are asking.

For example, the thread about the sticky on multiplayer by Jarret Lee was locked out. Ok fair enough it may have got nasty or off topic which deserves a lockdown, but the longer a thread becomes the more likely it is that this will happen, and it only goes on and on, page after page because there is no answer being provided to the questions people want to know.

The mods don't seem to recognise this. All they do is lockdown the threads and give their silly little catchphrases like 'LOCKDOWN!' or 'end of line'. Whether it's arrogance or ignorance of the subject i don't know, but what is definite is that they couldn't care less.

[SalsaDMA]

And that's just one of the reasons why Origin should die in a fire...

Telling you'll ban people for playing their legitenately bought copies... Good show.

And EA wonder why people hate their control software with inbuilt kill-switches...

[shnellegaming]

That's scary cause what about all the modding that doesn't do anything to the .bin like just making Shepard's eyes glow.

[Rafe34]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

They are right to do it for Multiplayer. As of Single Player. I don't think this is really and issue except if people unlock thing they shouldn't have acces to without buying a DLC or such.

I would not take my chances because once your ban I don't think they're will be any way out of it.

It shouldn't be on the disk.

If they ban someone from SP, they sure as hell better give them their money back or be prepared to get sued.

[DeinonSlayer]

What about modding other aspects? I saw someone who found a way to replace Tali's picture. Would they ban you for doing something as mundane as that?

[Harorrd]

My friend who is acctualy sitting next to me is right now extracting the files from ME3 to his Offline version of Orgin, with this he can use all the DLC, and do whatever he wants with the singelplayer, he is acctualy working on some garrys mod animations he is going to change the ending with

[vader da slayer]

Rafe34 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

They are right to do it for Multiplayer. As of Single Player. I don't think this is really and issue except if people unlock thing they shouldn't have acces to without buying a DLC or such.

I would not take my chances because once your ban I don't think they're will be any way out of it.

It shouldn't be on the disk.

If they ban someone from SP, they sure as hell better give them their money back or be prepared to get sued.

ummm you can't sue over being banned, from anything. being banned means you broke the EULA or ToS or something similar and thereby you can't get your money back nor sue them.  well you could sue but you would lose once they pointed out they banned you for breaking a contract you agreed to.

[Noblewolf]

There was another thread about this the other day a mod did say your be fine if your just playing on single player but try to touch MP "settings" and you will be banned.

[DeinonSlayer]

Harorrd wrote...

My friend who is acctualy sitting next to me is right now extracting the files from ME3 to his Offline version of Orgin, with this he can use all the DLC, and do whatever he wants with the singelplayer, he is acctualy working on some garrys mod animations he is going to change the ending with

GMod is awesome. 

[Zerox Z21]

No one should care about cheating unless it affects others if you ask me. Multiplayer is understandable. Banning from single player, legal or not, is just being a dick and you will lose fans and money that way. We've been fine doing it in ME1 and ME2. people will get VERY angry if that changes, particular because of EA.

[Chashan]

This is why we can't have nice things...

No, really, if they did not figure out that sharing the bin-file of SP with MP for each user would be a bad idea, then I just don't know what went on in the review-process prior to release.
I think an easy way out for them would be to include a "ladder" for "official" games with fixed official settings - which they still need to release, apparently...- to go hunt for those unlocks and "custom"-type games where people can modify things to their heart's content, yet no weapons and such are "unlocked". See SC2 for comparison, although the change Blizzard introduced to BNet when compared to WC3 is not exactly viewed favorably.

But to be stupid enough to not put clearly separated bin-files for SP and MP into the game...really...

PS:

My friend who is acctualy sitting next to me is right now extracting the files from ME3 to his Offline version of Orgin, with this he can use all the DLC, and do whatever he wants with the singelplayer, he is acctualy working on some garrys mod animations he is going to change the ending with

Do it. For Great Justice.

Modifié par Chashan, 31 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[slimgrin]

If this is true, Bioware's rep is barely above primordial slime imo.

Modifié par slimgrin, 31 mars 2012 - 08:51 .

[sackyhack]

I've received clarification from both Bioware and Origin support on this:

What will get you banned:
Anything that gives you an advantage in multiplayer
EMS/GaW mods

What won't:
Everything else

Origin doesn't automatically ban you for any modified files. There's some math behind the scenes that can tell them if your GaW/EMS and multiplayer level/equipment doesn't match your actual progress, and the rest depends on reports by other players in multiplayer. Banning for MP hacks is a no-brainer, but I must admit banning for GaW/EMS is a bit shady. It ties into MP, but it doesn't really affect anybody else's experience.

I've modded the crap out of my coalesced.bin and save, giving myself more equipment, faster scanning, etc. and have been playing online SP for a few weeks now. Just don't touch the things I mentioned and you'll be fine.

Modifié par sackyhack, 31 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Naughty Bear]

shnellegaming wrote...

That's scary cause what about all the modding that doesn't do anything to the .bin like just making Shepard's eyes glow.

Heh heh heh. Just imagined getting banned that eh?

[Blc949]

I wish we didn't have different laws about ownership of different things.

How is it one only owns the ability to play something, but my motorcycle I can do whatever I want with? I physically own the motorcycle, I physically own the dvd my game came on and the system its played on. I could understand if Honda told me I couldn't take their bikes, reverse engineer, tweak and compete with them, but they can't tell me I can't bore the engine and stretch the swingarm.

I dunno, I'm old so this is a weird concept to me. For younger people its just how its always been.

[RyuujinZERO]

In fairness I can understand why EA isn't happy with people modding the game...


If you make an improvement to their game you're having fun that you didn't pay them for. They can't possibly abide by that! That's... that's like piracy!

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 31 mars 2012 - 09:16 .