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[ManualReplica]

Oh I am not surprised, EA is infamous for not keeping the players interests at mind.
Like RyuujinZERO said, if you modify your game you are having unauthorized fun, EA is simply kindly telling you to stop having fun with your their copy of the game.

[Lord Gremlin]

A simple question. Will you buy a SP weapon pack if it basically includes weapon reskins with higher damage output?
If you can mod the game you won't. A lot of DLC content is paying for changing 50 to 100 in some line of game code. Reality of business.

What's your take on this reality is another matter.

[Silanda]

vader da slayer wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

They are right to do it for Multiplayer. As of Single Player. I don't think this is really and issue except if people unlock thing they shouldn't have acces to without buying a DLC or such.

I would not take my chances because once your ban I don't think they're will be any way out of it.

It shouldn't be on the disk.

If they ban someone from SP, they sure as hell better give them their money back or be prepared to get sued.

ummm you can't sue over being banned, from anything. being banned means you broke the EULA or ToS or something similar and thereby you can't get your money back nor sue them.  well you could sue but you would lose once they pointed out they banned you for breaking a contract you agreed to.

You do realise that EULAs do not equal the law, don't you? It is for a court, and only a court, to decide whether there would be a case to answer, not some corporate EULA that the user has no possibility of agreeing to before opening the game. I must say, I'm getting rather dismayed by how blindly some people swallow what businesses tell them with regards to legality.

[Rafe34]

vader da slayer wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

They are right to do it for Multiplayer. As of Single Player. I don't think this is really and issue except if people unlock thing they shouldn't have acces to without buying a DLC or such.

I would not take my chances because once your ban I don't think they're will be any way out of it.

It shouldn't be on the disk.

If they ban someone from SP, they sure as hell better give them their money back or be prepared to get sued.

ummm you can't sue over being banned, from anything. being banned means you broke the EULA or ToS or something similar and thereby you can't get your money back nor sue them.  well you could sue but you would lose once they pointed out they banned you for breaking a contract you agreed to.

In the immortal words of Udina, (may he rest in peace), "Do the words, 'political ****storm' mean anything to you?"

[Dude_in_the_Room]

vader da slayer wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

They are right to do it for Multiplayer. As of Single Player. I don't think this is really and issue except if people unlock thing they shouldn't have acces to without buying a DLC or such.

I would not take my chances because once your ban I don't think they're will be any way out of it.

It shouldn't be on the disk.

If they ban someone from SP, they sure as hell better give them their money back or be prepared to get sued.

ummm you can't sue over being banned, from anything. being banned means you broke the EULA or ToS or something similar and thereby you can't get your money back nor sue them.  well you could sue but you would lose once they pointed out they banned you for breaking a contract you agreed to.

Contracts do not automatically save the company at hand.

If it's unfair practice or the sort the contract is void.  Unless is specifically says "You cannot moddify gameplay for SP or MP" or something along those lines.

Even then it's not concrete, but yes, it would be a steep hill to climb.

[Gerza71]

Interesting! If it effects the multi-player game yes you be banned. But, for single-player purposes only why not.

After reading that link now I get banned for tweaking my (suppose to be) single-player game that is stupid.
Its like tweaking my Skyrim ini files and Steam bans me.

[BentOrgy]

Another skeleton in EA-Bioware's cramped closet. How charming.

[sackyhack]

Once again, it's really not as bad as people make it out to be:

sackyhack wrote...

I've received clarification from both Bioware and Origin support on this:

What will get you banned:
Anything that gives you an advantage in multiplayer
EMS/GaW mods

What won't:
Everything else

Origin doesn't automatically ban you for any modified files. There's some math behind the scenes that can tell them if your GaW/EMS and multiplayer level/equipment doesn't match your actual progress, and the rest depends on reports by other players in multiplayer. Banning for MP hacks is a no-brainer, but I must admit banning for GaW/EMS is a bit shady. It ties into MP, but it doesn't really affect anybody else's experience.

I've modded the crap out of my coalesced.bin and save, giving myself more equipment, faster scanning, etc. and have been playing online SP for a few weeks now. Just don't touch the things I mentioned and you'll be fine.

[Tirigon]

slimgrin wrote...

If this is true, Bioware's rep is barely above primordial slime imo.

I thought that was already the case....

[Tirigon]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

In fairness I can understand why EA isn't happy with people modding the game...


If you make an improvement to their game you're having fun that you didn't pay them for. They can't possibly abide by that! That's... that's like piracy!

They should take the Bethesda aproach and be happy that they get positive PR for work the fans have done.

[BentOrgy]

Tirigon wrote...

They should take the Bethesda aproach and be happy that they get positive PR for work the fans have done.

That would make them human.

[Tirigon]

BentOrgy wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

They should take the Bethesda aproach and be happy that they get positive PR for work the fans have done.

That would make them human.

......


Fair enough.

[xXCerberus317Xx]

A game that cannot be modded in SP becomes very booring after a while, banning people for that is just ridiculous.

If there weren't be any modding in The Elder Scrolls it would be very booring.

Same for GTA San Andreas.

[SturmMedik]

God forbid you manage to unlock the dlc (disk locked content) :]]

[sackyhack]

SturmMedik wrote...

God forbid you manage to unlock the dlc (disk locked content) :]]

Nope, that won't get you banned either.

[JasmoVT]

They are fully within their rights to do this. Despite what people have posted above, you have not bought the software and you do not own it. What you have bought is a nonexclusive license to use the software as EA may dictate. The EULA includes the following:

"Your right to use the Software is limited to the license grant above, and you may not otherwise copy, display, seek to disable, distribute, perform, publish, modify, create works from, or use the Software or any component of it, except as expressly authorized by EA."

Also the following:

"Your rights under this License will terminate immediately and automatically without any notice from EA if you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this License. Promptly upon termination, you must cease all use of the Software and destroy all copies of the Software in your possession or control."

Technically, they have the right to totally disable your copy of the software if you alter it in any way.

[Furtled]

Silanda wrote...
You do realise that EULAs do not equal the law, don't you? It is for a court, and only a court, to decide whether there would be a case to answer, not some corporate EULA that the user has no possibility of agreeing to before opening the game. I must say, I'm getting rather dismayed by how blindly some people swallow what businesses tell them with regards to legality.

Correct, the legality of EULAs has yet to be properly tested in various countries, so if EA pushed the issue it's very possible a judge would side with the customer and invalidate parts of the EULA where it conflicts with local laws; that's why, for example, there's bits in the current one that don't apply in the EU but do in the US.

Has anyone actually been banned for altering SP related files/values?

Modifié par Furtled, 31 mars 2012 - 11:12 .

[Arngeld]

JasmoVT wrote...

They are fully within their rights to do this. Despite what people have posted above, you have not bought the software and you do not own it. What you have bought is a nonexclusive license to use the software as EA may dictate. The EULA includes the following:

"Your right to use the Software is limited to the license grant above, and you may not otherwise copy, display, seek to disable, distribute, perform, publish, modify, create works from, or use the Software or any component of it, except as expressly authorized by EA."

Also the following:

"Your rights under this License will terminate immediately and automatically without any notice from EA if you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this License. Promptly upon termination, you must cease all use of the Software and destroy all copies of the Software in your possession or control."

Technically, they have the right to totally disable your copy of the software if you alter it in any way.

This line of thinking is why we can't have nice things.

[G3rman]

Jestina wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...
As of Single Player. I don't think this is really and issue except if people unlock thing they shouldn't have acces to without buying a DLC or such.

If it came with the product you paid for then you have every right to access it. If they didn't want you to have something, they shouldn't have given it to you in the first place. That's like a company selling you something, then you telling you you can't open the box.

That's like saying they should have more security guards in a store when you go to pick up something, its just asking to be taken for yourself if no one is there to slap your wrist.

[aries1001]

I thought the answer was pretty clear, although maybe a bit miscommunicated. To me, Thomas Abram said that Bioware and EA will ban people if they cheat in MP. There's apparently two ways to do this, you do some changes in MP mode so you get higher levels/better equipment etc. - and you can, in your SP game, tamper with your ems/gaw score, and then use this when you go into MP. To me, this was how I read the statement from Thomas Abram.

As I don't know how MP mode functions I really don't know if modding ems/gaw points into the SPmode of the file in question (the coalesced.bin?) will give people an unfair advantage in MP. but that's how I understood it. Personally, I won't be doing this (don't know how...), but to me it seems a bit harsh to ban someone from playing the game in SP-mode just for adding ems/gaw points. It only hurts themselves...
in SP mode. Now, in MP mode - that's an entirely different ballgame.

As a sidenote, but yet somehow related question, think of it this way (for the sp mode, I mean). What if Bioware were to ban you from playing the game if you turned down the difficultu to easy instead of the fixed normal mode you'be been locked into playing? Playing on easy doesn't hurt anyone else than yourself....in sp mode in games, that is.

[tetrisblock4x1]

And this is why skidrow are #1...

[JustAndrewx88]

sackyhack wrote...

Once again, it's really not as bad as people make it out to be:

sackyhack wrote...

I've received clarification from both Bioware and Origin support on this:

What will get you banned:
Anything that gives you an advantage in multiplayer
EMS/GaW mods

What won't:
Everything else

Origin doesn't automatically ban you for any modified files. There's some math behind the scenes that can tell them if your GaW/EMS and multiplayer level/equipment doesn't match your actual progress, and the rest depends on reports by other players in multiplayer. Banning for MP hacks is a no-brainer, but I must admit banning for GaW/EMS is a bit shady. It ties into MP, but it doesn't really affect anybody else's experience.

I've modded the crap out of my coalesced.bin and save, giving myself more equipment, faster scanning, etc. and have been playing online SP for a few weeks now. Just don't touch the things I mentioned and you'll be fine.

Even that is ridiculous since it ties in to SP mostly. I don't know why they're so obsessed with people playing the MP, but what happens when MP is dead? Can't find a match? Too bad, your GR will sit at 50 %. And if you modify it, prepare to be banned. That's just.....I don't know. This has all just been flat out terrible.

[Tirigon]

JasmoVT wrote...

They are fully within their rights to do this. Despite what people have posted above, you have not bought the software and you do not own it. What you have bought is a nonexclusive license to use the software as EA may dictate. The EULA includes the following:

"Your right to use the Software is limited to the license grant above, and you may not otherwise copy, display, seek to disable, distribute, perform, publish, modify, create works from, or use the Software or any component of it, except as expressly authorized by EA."

Also the following:

"Your rights under this License will terminate immediately and automatically without any notice from EA if you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this License. Promptly upon termination, you must cease all use of the Software and destroy all copies of the Software in your possession or control."

Technically, they have the right to totally disable your copy of the software if you alter it in any way.

But practically, you have the option to just not give a damn.

[chimpdaddy121]

JustAndrewx88 wrote...

sackyhack wrote...

Once again, it's really not as bad as people make it out to be:

sackyhack wrote...

I've received clarification from both Bioware and Origin support on this:

What will get you banned:
Anything that gives you an advantage in multiplayer
EMS/GaW mods

What won't:
Everything else

Origin doesn't automatically ban you for any modified files. There's some math behind the scenes that can tell them if your GaW/EMS and multiplayer level/equipment doesn't match your actual progress, and the rest depends on reports by other players in multiplayer. Banning for MP hacks is a no-brainer, but I must admit banning for GaW/EMS is a bit shady. It ties into MP, but it doesn't really affect anybody else's experience.

I've modded the crap out of my coalesced.bin and save, giving myself more equipment, faster scanning, etc. and have been playing online SP for a few weeks now. Just don't touch the things I mentioned and you'll be fine.

Even that is ridiculous since it ties in to SP mostly. I don't know why they're so obsessed with people playing the MP, but what happens when MP is dead? Can't find a match? Too bad, your GR will sit at 50 %. And if you modify it, prepare to be banned. That's just.....I don't know. This has all just been flat out terrible.

its very easy, ive done it twice now as you cant get over 4000 EMS normally, USE GIBBED SAVE EDITOR. sorry bout caps but everyone keeps missing this, all it does is edit your save game and not the system files, on my 2nd playthrough i has 500000 EMS .

i have yet to be banned 

[BentOrgy]

chimpdaddy121 wrote...

its very easy, ive done it twice now as you cant get over 4000 EMS normally, USE GIBBED SAVE EDITOR. sorry bout caps but everyone keeps missing this, all it does is edit your save game and not the system files, on my 2nd playthrough i has 500000 EMS .

i have yet to be banned 

I've tried this, and it doesn't seem to affect my EMS at all, what exactly do you need to do?

Modifié par BentOrgy, 31 mars 2012 - 11:48 .