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[Clarification Inside] Once more, Bioware's take on modding


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#51
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chimpdaddy121 wrote...

its very easy, ive done it twice now as you cant get over 4000 EMS normally, USE GIBBED SAVE EDITOR. sorry bout caps but everyone keeps missing this, all it does is edit your save game and not the system files, on my 2nd playthrough i has 500000 EMS :).

i have yet to be banned  :devil:


Dunno why I forgot about the save editor.

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Bypass Origin.

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BentOrgy wrote...

chimpdaddy121 wrote...

its very easy, ive done it twice now as you cant get over 4000 EMS normally, USE GIBBED SAVE EDITOR. sorry bout caps but everyone keeps missing this, all it does is edit your save game and not the system files, on my 2nd playthrough i has 500000 EMS :).

i have yet to be banned  :devil:


I've tried this, and it doesn't seem to affect my EMS at all, what exactly do you need to do?


if your still in game and you alt+tab out and edit and load up it wont work, you need to be completely out of the game.

secondly when in gibbed save editor make sure you only edit the values of assets you already have, say tali asset i think is 25 or 50 value, change it to for example 5000, make sure that when you save you overwrite on your save and not save as new, then launch me3 and load the game.

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JasmoVT wrote...

They are fully within their rights to do this.


Noted. I still don't give a damn.

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This is just sad if true. I wouldn't have thought they would care about us modding the SP until I saw Thomas Abram's post. This is bad business. I am one of the many that is upset with the ending to the game, but I was willing to wait and hear out what Bioware has to say on the matter I still liked them as a developer. But if this is crap, If Bioware/EA is going to treat customers like this I don't see any reason to buy any of their games anymore.

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I think most of you skipped over Scylla Costa's post: http://social.biowar...7845/1#10089473

And most of you are focusing on Thomas Abram's post.

Both of those are two contradicting statements. Is Thomas merely stating a warning that Origin has a chance to ban if it detects modified files, although stated rather bluntly, or is just a mix up on policies? Or does Thomas' statement simply overwrite Scylla's? Who is right?

I would really like to know this, people are focusing on Thomas' reply and just causing a hate storm against EA/BioWare, before getting any solid answer.

That thread was handled a little poorly. Would be nice if a BioWare rep could clear up this little contradiction before people start getting irrational.

Modifié par 7thD3adlyS1n, 01 avril 2012 - 12:29 .


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7thD3adlyS1n wrote...
 before people start getting irrational.


Sure, blame the customers for being worried that they might get blocked out of a service they paid for, just because of editing a few lines of a file. Totally not EA or bioware's fault for including a draconian program and for posting two contradicting answers respectively.

Someone from bioware better clarify whether we can or cannot modify the coalesced file, 'cos i just edited the default FOV, and added toggle buttons for the FOV as well. 

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7thD3adlyS1n wrote...

I think most of you skipped over Scylla Costa's post: http://social.biowar...7845/1#10089473

And most of you are focusing on Thomas Abram's post.

Both of those are two contradicting statements. Is Thomas merely stating a warning that Origin has a chance to ban if it detects modified files, although stated rather bluntly, or is just a mix up on policies? Or does Thomas' statement simply overwrite Scylla's? Who is right?

I would really like to know this, people are focusing on Thomas' reply and just causing a hate storm against EA/BioWare, before getting any solid answer.

That thread was handled a little poorly. Would be nice if a BioWare rep could clear up this little contradiction before people start getting irrational.


In a different thread, just a day or two ago, some guy PMed Abram to ask him for clarification. He said Scylla's post was more accurate. 

So let's relax a bit.

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Banned from single player?

Yo-ho-fiddledy dee.

Modifié par diskoh, 01 avril 2012 - 02:21 .


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Emperor Iaius I wrote...

In a different thread, just a day or two ago, some guy PMed Abram to ask him for clarification. He said Scylla's post was more accurate. 

So let's relax a bit.


I really hope you're right about that. What Scylla said makes the most sense and fits with how BioWare has treated single player modding in the past.

Also:

Accelbattera wrote...

7thD3adlyS1n wrote...
 before people start getting irrational.

Sure,
blame the customers for being worried that they might get blocked out
of a service they paid for, just because of editing a few lines of a
file. Totally not EA or bioware's fault for including a draconian
program and for posting two contradicting answers respectively.


I'm not blaming anyone, all I am saying is less pitchforking and more questioning. People love to jump at headlines without even reading whats behind it, this is the dead truth. Best we can do is to tell peopel to chill and wait for a response, or shout loud enough for them to come here.

Pitchforking everything though is just going to make matters worse.

Modifié par 7thD3adlyS1n, 01 avril 2012 - 02:37 .


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Whoops sorry double post. :S

Modifié par 7thD3adlyS1n, 01 avril 2012 - 02:36 .


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Furtled wrote...
Has anyone actually been banned for altering SP related files/values?


They would be banned from posting on BW boards, so who knows.

Rather sad to think about.  I would hate to lose access to this game just because I want to enable flycam.

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To clarify,

Scylla was correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM (the same two questions from many different users) as well as support what Scylla said.

As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game.

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Thomas Abram wrote...

To clarify,

Scylla was correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM (the same two questions from many different users) as well as support what Scylla said.

As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game.

Thanks, Tom. ^_^

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Thomas Abram wrote...

To clarify,

Scylla was correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM (the same two questions from many different users) as well as support what Scylla said.

As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game.


Good to know, thanks!:)

Now when can we get clarification on the EMS thingy?:whistle:

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So much relief right now.

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OdanUrr wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

To clarify,

Scylla was correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM (the same two questions from many different users) as well as support what Scylla said.

As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game.


Good to know, thanks!:)

Now when can we get clarification on the EMS thingy?:whistle:


Which EMS thing? :3

If you guys and gals ever have ANY questions about anything please do not hesitate to ask. Sometimes (like I did) we don't think of our post in the entire context of a thread, and this is the internet... it's not like things get taken out of context or blown out of porpotion on the internet of all places right? ;)

I'm going to go grab a cupcake, I'll be right back and answer/clarify anything else in relation to this thread :)

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Thomas Abram wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

To clarify,

Scylla was correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM (the same two questions from many different users) as well as support what Scylla said.

As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game.


Good to know, thanks!:)

Now when can we get clarification on the EMS thingy?:whistle:


Which EMS thing? :3

If you guys and gals ever have ANY questions about anything please do not hesitate to ask. Sometimes (like I did) we don't think of our post in the entire context of a thread, and this is the internet... it's not like things get taken out of context or blown out of porpotion on the internet of all places right? ;)

I'm going to go grab a cupcake, I'll be right back and answer/clarify anything else in relation to this thread :)


the fact that no one seems to be able to get 4000 or more EMS in single player and thus get the shepard breaths thing...the only seems to be forced to play MP or own an iphone...the most war assets you can achieve in SP seems to be around 7400 or 3700 EMS (and that is with a Me to ME3 import)...

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 01 avril 2012 - 09:56 .


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Thomas Abram wrote...

I'm going to go grab a cupcake, I'll be right back and answer/clarify anything else in relation to this thread :)


Awesome!

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I'm fine with banning cheats. Singleplayer is irrelevant if you cheat (don't understand why people cheat) but multiplayer...cheats ALWAYS ruin MP games.

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Thomas Abram wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

To clarify,

Scylla was correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM (the same two questions from many different users) as well as support what Scylla said.

As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game.


Good to know, thanks!:)

Now when can we get clarification on the EMS thingy?:whistle:


Which EMS thing? :3

If you guys and gals ever have ANY questions about anything please do not hesitate to ask. Sometimes (like I did) we don't think of our post in the entire context of a thread, and this is the internet... it's not like things get taken out of context or blown out of porpotion on the internet of all places right? ;)

I'm going to go grab a cupcake, I'll be right back and answer/clarify anything else in relation to this thread :)


Well, we've been crunching numbers for a while now and have arrived at the conclusion that you can get a maximum of 7,524 war assets in the Single Player campaign alone if you play all your cards right. Considering Galactic Readiness stays at 50% in SP alone, that's a maximum EMS rating of 3,762, which falls short of the number required to unlock a certain bonus cutscene (4,000 EMS).

So is this a bug or not, and if it's the former when can we expect a patch?

Thanks.

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Thomas Abram wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

To clarify,

Scylla was correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM (the same two questions from many different users) as well as support what Scylla said.

As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game.


Good to know, thanks!:)

Now when can we get clarification on the EMS thingy?:whistle:


Which EMS thing? :3

If you guys and gals ever have ANY questions about anything please do not hesitate to ask. Sometimes (like I did) we don't think of our post in the entire context of a thread, and this is the internet... it's not like things get taken out of context or blown out of porpotion on the internet of all places right? ;)

I'm going to go grab a cupcake, I'll be right back and answer/clarify anything else in relation to this thread :)


Well I know from experence from using my imort save from ME1/ME2. That there is no way in you do all side quests from throughout the series, and investigate every planet for war assets. There is no way to get the 4,000 min. to get the ruble ending with Shepard drawing the single breath without either playing Multiplayer or altering the stats of the EMS via save game editor. 

It was said by Bioware that Multiplayer would not stop people from getting all the endings the game provides in it's vurrent state, when indeed it does when you can reach the 4,000 min EMS without doing one of the 2 things I provided above. In my opinion Multiplayer should have been kept seperate since many like myself bought the game for the Single player experence and have no desire to play Multiplayer.

So Thomas Abraham please let me and others now that there will be a patch to at least lower the EMS requirements, so all ending either present or future will be attainable without altering or playing multiplayer. I for one don't think people should be banned for altering the EMS unless it does give them a unfair advantage in multiplayer, myself I never play that part of the game so I don't have personal experence with it.

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JasmoVT wrote...

They are fully within their rights to do this. Despite what people have posted above, you have not bought the software and you do not own it. What you have bought is a nonexclusive license to use the software as EA may dictate. The EULA includes the following:

"Your right to use the Software is limited to the license grant above, and you may not otherwise copy, display, seek to disable, distribute, perform, publish, modify, create works from, or use the Software or any component of it, except as expressly authorized by EA."

Also the following:

"Your rights under this License will terminate immediately and automatically without any notice from EA if you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this License. Promptly upon termination, you must cease all use of the Software and destroy all copies of the Software in your possession or control."

Technically, they have the right to totally disable your copy of the software if you alter it in any way.


My country laws disagree with this statement, EA seems to forget that to some countries EULAs are as legal as ****, all I need is several citizens wronged by the silly EULA's and EA would probably lose the rights of distribution, fun times.

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Thomas Abram wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

To clarify,

Scylla was correct and I was correct. Scylla's answer was more broadly based in that if you modify your SP and it has no game changing effects to your/others multiplayer experience (say for example, granting you x amount of credits or making a weapon x times more powerful) then there is no problem with this. My answer was poorly worded and I apologize for that - I was aiming to answer a couple questions I had received via PM (the same two questions from many different users) as well as support what Scylla said.

As mentioned by Scylla, you will not be banned for modifying your files *unless (and this is where my intention was) they give you an unfair advantage in any multiplayer aspect of the game.


Good to know, thanks!:)

Now when can we get clarification on the EMS thingy?:whistle:


Which EMS thing? :3

If you guys and gals ever have ANY questions about anything please do not hesitate to ask. Sometimes (like I did) we don't think of our post in the entire context of a thread, and this is the internet... it's not like things get taken out of context or blown out of porpotion on the internet of all places right? ;)

I'm going to go grab a cupcake, I'll be right back and answer/clarify anything else in relation to this thread :)


The EMS thingy is as follows:

Bioware told us specifically that we would not have to play MP to get the best ending.

Most of us see the best ending as one where Shepard lives- Destroy Ending with 4000 EMS. Yet the highest we have been able to confirm as reachable without playing MP is ~3800 Effective Military Strength. 

Thus, we can unlock Synthesis- so we're thinking that BW assumes the "best" ending is the Synthesis ending- but many of us don't consider that the best ending when we can get Shepard surviving. Presumably, at least, since we see him/her take a breath in the rubble on... Earth? Not sure where exactly, since I don't know how s/he would have survived atmospheric re-entry... but that's a different argument.

TL;DR- We need 4000 EMS to get what most people consider the best ending. This doesn't appear to be possible without MP. So, did BW just consider Synthesis to be the best ending, or is it actually possible to get 4000 EMS without playing MP and we're all just missing something?

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Thomas Abram wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Now when can we get clarification on the EMS thingy?:whistle:


Which EMS thing? :3


*glances at subject title*

*glances at Thomas's response*

Subtext win. ;)

If only everyone could understand this noble language...