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[JECW]

yamainu1984 wrote...

No harm taken here guys I justed wanted to explain myself So still support us and the LI projects and everything since they are ALL great and deserve this We can do this together

And I just think on it and work something out to connect the books Any ideas are welcome

And myth i am quite sure people won't forget us at all

This project and the next one are a group effort, but I thought the fanbook was for Thane.

[blueshepard]

JECW wrote...

yamainu1984 wrote...

No harm taken here guys I justed wanted to explain myself So still support us and the LI projects and everything since they are ALL great and deserve this We can do this together

And I just think on it and work something out to connect the books Any ideas are welcome

And myth i am quite sure people won't forget us at all

This project and the next one are a group effort, but I thought the fanbook was for Thane.

Yep - correct but if there are any projects in future and I know of them before the book gets on his way to Bioware I will link to them or something like that But the Book is for Thane - since the Binding is green and Thane Fanbook Project stands on it xD


But back to topic:

But I am really excited about the next project here *giggles around* Mooooooooooooore projects please

Modifié par yamainu1984, 11 avril 2012 - 09:19 .

[JECW]

yamainu1984 wrote...

JECW wrote...

yamainu1984 wrote...

No harm taken here guys I justed wanted to explain myself So still support us and the LI projects and everything since they are ALL great and deserve this We can do this together

And I just think on it and work something out to connect the books Any ideas are welcome

And myth i am quite sure people won't forget us at all

This project and the next one are a group effort, but I thought the fanbook was for Thane.

Yep - correct but if there are any projects in future and I know of them before the book gets on his way to Bioware I will link to them or something like that But the Book is for Thane - since the Binding is green and Thane Fanbook Project stands on it xD


But back to topic:

But I am really excited about the next project here *giggles around* Mooooooooooooore projects please

Ok

The next project sounds great. They want more feedback from the fans then we will give it to them.
We will tell them and show them what we want.

[cg8900]

wow, just read the responses from bioware....yeah those sound all like excuses trying to explain their mistakes... the flashback, come'on even if your LI was dead that wouldn't prevent you, shep, from remembering them in your head!!! and for adding new loves instead of just developing the old ones was lame, I just wish I could understand their - biowares/devs/ - decisions....
BUT the only thing we can do is stay together and make ourselfs heard, you right about that. looking foward to the new project, I really hope we can be loud enough, but polite, to get something ))

[Yermogi]

BioWare... Ugh. Seriously? That's the best they could come up with? I'm not buying any of it.

The only thing to do now is have a screaming fuss until they pay attention.

[imp187]

Twitter-News:

Question:
have you had the chance to read the LI fanbook?

@BioEvilChris
Skim it? Yes. Read it, no. There's a LOT of content in there. =)

[Cyansomnia]

I'm not throwing a tantrum, I'm responding to their responses. I have the right do so. Even with limited time/resources/money, you have to own up to your mistakes. I'm not going to pretend everything is sunshine and bunnies, just because I want something from them.

Also, criticism is feedback just like anything else. A forum is a place to express your thoughts and opinions, as long as they are in line.  I suppose I can do that somewhere else, but I find that to be stifling and unfair.  I'm tired of hearing excuses and hot wind.

If they didn't think they could handle doing all these projects, they shouldn't have spread their resources so thin.  I understand what you're getting at, I really do.  Of course I'll contribute to projects and keep providing feedback in a civil manner.  I've said my peace.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 11 avril 2012 - 01:42 .

[cg8900]

so I just got a respons from Chris in twitter....nothing new though, but still
https://twitter.com/...066482628149249

oh you guys beat me on my own tweet


EDIT. ok so how about this  twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/190101447906574336

Modifié par cg8900, 11 avril 2012 - 03:44 .

[Moira-chan]

cg8900 wrote...

so I just got a respons from Chris in twitter....nothing new though, but still
https://twitter.com/...066482628149249

oh you guys beat me on my own tweet


EDIT. ok so how about this  twitter.com/#!/PatrickWeekes/status/190101447906574336

that's great.
please update us, because i have no twitter T_T
so it would be great, if you tell if there is coming out something new ^-^

[cg8900]

Moira-chan wrote...

that's great.
please update us, because i have no twitter T_T
so it would be great, if you tell if there is coming out something new ^-^

yeah I didn't have a twitter account either, but I created one
there's too much going on there
I'm gonna try stay updated, and post whenever i find something new
but I'm sure there are others out there to help me out :innocent:

[lusciousdeath]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Maybe I am just the minority on this, but I do not understand the logic of making ME3 new comer friendly. When ME2 came out, I was told over and over again to play ME1 first. At this point, if someone hasn't played the game... why should the rest of us pay the price for it? Also too, if Bioware just came out and said "yeah, we messed up" I would actually respect them for it.

I absolutely agree.  I heard lots of people saying it would be daunting for a newcomer to feel like they have to go back and play through the other games and expecting them to have played those would punish them.  However, I don't really understand why it's punishment.  This is the third game in a trilogy.  This is a game trilogy that is defined by the story and the characters it created, and the choices the player made to get there.  Why would someone even want to come in on the series without seeing how it got to where it is?  

What I see here is the same problem they had with all the "resource" issues.  To that I have an Aesop Fable they should look at:

The Dog and His Reflection
It happened that a Dog had got a bone and was carrying it
home in his mouth to eat it in peace. Now on his way home he had to cross a
plank lying across a running brook. As he crossed, he looked down and saw his
own reflection in the water beneath. Thinking it was another dog with another bone, he made up
his mind to have that also. So he made a snap at the reflection in the water,
but as he opened his mouth the bone out, dropped into the water and was never
seen more. You may lose what you have by grasping for more.  

[JECW]

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I'm not throwing a tantrum, I'm responding to their responses. I have the right do so. Even with limited time/resources/money, you have to own up to your mistakes. I'm not going to pretend everything is sunshine and bunnies, just because I want something from them.

Also, criticism is feedback just like anything else. A forum is a place to express your thoughts and opinions, as long as they are in line.  I suppose I can do that somewhere else, but I find that to be stifling and unfair.  I'm tired of hearing excuses and hot wind.

If they didn't think they could handle doing all these projects, they shouldn't have spread their resources so thin.  I understand what you're getting at, I really do.  Of course I'll contribute to projects and keep providing feedback in a civil manner.  I've said my peace.

I didn't see what you said as throwing a tantrum. I agree with all of it.
We should be able tocriticize a game that has faults. How else are they going to know if we don't tell them,and we did pay money for this game.  Also every answer they game sounded like excuses for their mistakes.

[CuseGirl]

@JECW and @lusciousdeath:

The thing we're missing here is this isn't Bioware anymore. This is Bioware: A subsidiary of Electronic Arts. DO NOT EVER FORGET THAT. The reason the game was marketed (and possibly designed) as "accessible to those who didn't play ME-1 and ME-2" is because of EA's values. They believe a game isn't worth making unless it's a MASSIVE hit. It's not good enough to just make a good game for 3 million people, you have to make a crappy game for 3,000,002 people.

I didn't play ME-1 because I don't own an Xbox. But I love ME-2, I'll never trade it back. Ever. I love the fact that with 11 squadmates, I'm still hearing new dialogue when I play the game differently. For the first time, I acquired Grunt before getting Jack, so I got to take Grunt with me to Purgatory. And when Jack breaks out, Grunt goes "I wanna see this". If ME-2 was made like ME-3, that dialogue would NEVER have made it in the game.

Why include multiplayer on the end of a story driven shooter that didn't have MP before? Why abandon the tactics that made Bioware valuable in the first place? Bioware's value came from writing good stories (even if ME-2 opened some plotholes of its own), good characters, and fully immersing the player in the game, all the way to the end. EA changed that. Period, end of story.

Modifié par CuseGirl, 11 avril 2012 - 05:27 .

[Aryss0410]

Hey guys!

I'm not trying to accuse any of you of throwing a tantrum. I'm really sorry if it came across that way. I just meant that throwing tantrums is something we shouldn't do. As for the seperate fanbooks from each LIs thread, I think it was an awesome idea that someone else had that maybe a page could be included in them to tell bioware that the fanbook is to promote romance dlc. (unfortunately since I'm on my phone right now I can't go back and quote them.) What do you guys think of that idea?

You guys really are amazing when you put your heads together and I have tons of respect for you!

[CuseGirl]

Aryss0410 wrote...

Hey guys!

I'm not trying to accuse any of you of throwing a tantrum. I'm really sorry if it came across that way. I just meant that throwing tantrums is something we shouldn't do. As for the seperate fanbooks from each LIs thread, I think it was an awesome idea that someone else had that maybe a page could be included in them to tell bioware that the fanbook is to promote romance dlc. (unfortunately since I'm on my phone right now I can't go back and quote them.) What do you guys think of that idea?

You guys really are amazing when you put your heads together and I have tons of respect for you!

I don't think any of that will matter in the end. I don't think they're calling back those actors to do dialogue.

[JECW]

CuseGirl wrote...

Aryss0410 wrote...

Hey guys!

I'm not trying to accuse any of you of throwing a tantrum. I'm really sorry if it came across that way. I just meant that throwing tantrums is something we shouldn't do. As for the seperate fanbooks from each LIs thread, I think it was an awesome idea that someone else had that maybe a page could be included in them to tell bioware that the fanbook is to promote romance dlc. (unfortunately since I'm on my phone right now I can't go back and quote them.) What do you guys think of that idea?

You guys really are amazing when you put your heads together and I have tons of respect for you!

I don't think any of that will matter in the end. I don't think they're calling back those actors to do dialogue.

We have to at least try. You won't know unless you try.
They said they wanted feedback so we are giving it to them.

[Aryss0410]

:alien:In other news....

"I can't comment on any future DLC possibilites, but we are definitely aware that people want to see more from the ME2 characters, especially the romances. Again, you ask any writer, cinematic designer, or level designer if they wanted more content for these people, and every single person would say 'yes.' I am proud of what we did with the resources we had (I think I mentioned that the cinematic design team didn't get Christmas this year), and work like the relationship fanbook is a clear reminder to us that the fans want to see more. Projects like this definitely catch our attention as we try to decide what kind of future DLC to make.

I'm sorry I can't promise anything except that your voices are being heard. Please keep it up."

- Patrick Weekes

*edit for spelling

Modifié par Aryss0410, 11 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[imp187]

Wow, this is REALLY great news... and a good incentive to work even "harder" and remind them over and over that we are here to stay...

[blueshepard]

Aryss0410 wrote...

:alien:In other news....

"I can't comment on any future DLC possibilites, but we are definitely aware that people want to see more from the ME2 characters, especially the romances. Again, you ask any writer, cinematic designer, or level designer if they wanted more content for these people, and every single person would say 'yes.' I am proud of what we did with the resources we had (I think I mentioned that the cinematic design team didn't get Christmas this year), and work like the relationship fanbook is a clear reminder to us that the fans want to see more. Projects like this definitely catch our attention as we try to decide what kind of future DLC to make.

I'm sorry I can't promise anything except that your voices are being heard. Please keep it up."

- Patrick Weekes

*edit for spelling

Great news I just LOVE to read this Hope gets up again

Modifié par yamainu1984, 11 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[JECW]

Aryss0410 wrote...

:alien:In other news....

"I can't comment on any future DLC possibilites, but we are definitely aware that people want to see more from the ME2 characters, especially the romances. Again, you ask any writer, cinematic designer, or level designer if they wanted more content for these people, and every single person would say 'yes.' I am proud of what we did with the resources we had (I think I mentioned that the cinematic design team didn't get Christmas this year), and work like the relationship fanbook is a clear reminder to us that the fans want to see more. Projects like this definitely catch our attention as we try to decide what kind of future DLC to make.

I'm sorry I can't promise anything except that your voices are being heard. Please keep it up."

- Patrick Weekes

*edit for spelling

This sounds like great news.
Now we just have to keep it up. Keep making our voices heard.

[wildannie]

JECW wrote...

yamainu1984 wrote...

No harm taken here guys I justed wanted to explain myself So still support us and the LI projects and everything since they are ALL great and deserve this We can do this together

And I just think on it and work something out to connect the books Any ideas are welcome

And myth i am quite sure people won't forget us at all

This project and the next one are a group effort, but I thought the fanbook was for Thane.

I really really want us all to stand together and think that the Thane book should outline our grievances with his romance and offer suggestions but should state clearly that we are asking for a DLC that would centre on Thane, Jacob, Jack and Miranda and any other neglected LIs and not a DLC that would be only about Thane.

Ideally I want the romantic content of a ME2 character DLC to be only part of it, I would want an awesome mission to go with it, it should appeal to everyone, not just the romancers.

edit:  It seems like a DLC with the ME2 LIs is something the guys at BW really would enjoy doing, we need to try and give them the ammunition to be able to sell this to the money people.

Modifié par wildannie, 11 avril 2012 - 06:19 .

[JECW]

wildannie wrote...

JECW wrote...

yamainu1984 wrote...

No harm taken here guys I justed wanted to explain myself So still support us and the LI projects and everything since they are ALL great and deserve this We can do this together

And I just think on it and work something out to connect the books Any ideas are welcome

And myth i am quite sure people won't forget us at all

This project and the next one are a group effort, but I thought the fanbook was for Thane.

I really really want us all to stand together and think that the Thane book should outline our grievances with his romance and offer suggestions but should state clearly that we are asking for a DLC that would centre on Thane, Jacob, Jack and Miranda and any other neglected LIs and not a DLC that would be only about Thane.

Ideally I want the romantic content of a ME2 character DLC to be only part of it, I would want an awesome mission to go with it, it should appeal to everyone, not just the romancers.

edit:  It seems like a DLC with the ME2 LIs is something the guys at BW really would enjoy doing, we need to try and give them the ammunition to be able to sell this to the money people.

No one said anything about dlc for one character.
I think they said that any individual character dlc was highly unlikely anyway.
They do seem to like the idea of a dlc with the ME2 characters.

Modifié par JECW, 11 avril 2012 - 06:37 .

[Nightwriter]

Aryss0410 wrote...

Hello Lovelies,

             After listening and considering all of your responses in the last few hours, Nick and I would like to have a heart to heart with you all. This comes not out of defense for Bioware, but out of concern for our cause. Honestly.

            Bioware, like any consumer driven company does not want to drive away its costumers aka us, the fans. With Mass Effect 3 they've done a pretty shoddy job of that, true, but they are driven by our money. Unfortunately for them and us, they don't have a crystal ball that can forsee our reactions to their decisions. They make a product that, in their eyes, is going to be sucsessful. Now, their reaction to our displeasure was initially severe, but they are now opening up to our opinions and ideas. And to continue with this kind of relationship, we need to go about it respectfully and we need to play the corporate game to some extent. I know, we shouldn't have to, but this is the way it has to be if we're going to be succsesful.

           This brings me to my next point, friends. Companies operate according to the bottom monetary line, which is determined by accounting. We don't need to fume about writers or animators when more often than not, it's the money that jails their ideas. We don't believe that the nonexsistant flash back scenes were due to flagging, as you've pointed out that's super easy to accomplish. As old and tiresome as it's getting to hear, it was most likely due to time and resources needed for animation, voice actors, testing, editing, and writing. After all, resources are being spread over, not only ME3 single player, but also multiplayer, the upcoming Mass Effect Vega movie, Dragon Age 3, and it's corolating movie: Dawn of the Seeker, and the books associated with both franchises.

             There's something that we forgot to mention to you. Along with being urged to keep showing our interest in romance dlc, we were told that romance dlc for sole characters is severely less likely than a group romance dlc. This is why splinter groups would almost assuredly cripple our cause. We need to work together and bring positive attention to our group. No tantrums or flaming, okay? That would hurt us all. To get the LI DLC we all want, we need to play their game. We need to show them that not only is there demand, but there are willing consumers, and that there will be money if they produce this DLC. And we need our voices to chime loud enough for not only Bioware to hear but also EA Games as well, who most likely has much to say about the allocation of resources.

                Make yourselves proud,
                              Aryss A and Nick B

Wait. Would this group romance DLC have VS and Liara content in it? And Garrus and Tali content?

Modifié par Nightwriter, 11 avril 2012 - 07:00 .

[Moira-chan]

yamainu1984 wrote...

Aryss0410 wrote...

:alien:In other news....

"I can't comment on any future DLC possibilites, but we are definitely aware that people want to see more from the ME2 characters, especially the romances. Again, you ask any writer, cinematic designer, or level designer if they wanted more content for these people, and every single person would say 'yes.' I am proud of what we did with the resources we had (I think I mentioned that the cinematic design team didn't get Christmas this year), and work like the relationship fanbook is a clear reminder to us that the fans want to see more. Projects like this definitely catch our attention as we try to decide what kind of future DLC to make.

I'm sorry I can't promise anything except that your voices are being heard. Please keep it up."

- Patrick Weekes

*edit for spelling

Great news I just LOVE to read this Hope gets up again

omg!
that sounds wonderful   <3<3<3<3