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[Peer of the Empire]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Chemistry, the *science* of it, came from the Middle East. The number system we use today, with its positional notation and concept of zero, came from the Middle East. While European medicine involved sticking leeches on people and cracking skulls open, Middle Eastern medicine was discovering the importance of hygiene on the spread of infectious diseases, among other advances.
While European masons were still trying to figure out how to build elaborate structures out of stone by guesswork, Middle Eastern engineering relied on mathematics and developed the dome.
While Europeans were still looking up at the stars and trying to figure out what they 'meant', Middle Eastern observers were developing the study of astronomy as a science.
The sacking of Baghdad by the Huns, and the destruction wreaked among the scholars gathered there, are the primary reason that the Muslim world lost its edge in science.

Pretty good, they did acknowledge the greatness of their forerunners the old Greeks, and the later Europeans far surpassed them.

The Arab world seems to have lost their scientific ability for good, we had better take care lest we become the same

[Ubergrog]

No. They are alien, therefore they have no correlation to any human culture.

/thread

[sindrie111]

I thought more like jews...... thats even what I told my uncle a few days ago. think about it, they lost there home and are hated by alot of racist and hate mongering species and people.

[Nathan_41]

No. People draw comparisons between Quarians and Middle Eastern cultures because of the VO accents of Tali and Admiral Shala'Raan. The points people make that both cultures share can be made to an extremely wide range of historical human cultures, depending on how much squinting is involved.

[Aramiss Ducati]

Migrant fleet handling pirates

[xsdob]

In all honesty, they seem to be a reference to both Jewish immigrants who were displaced from Jerusalem by the Romans and wandered Europe for centuries, forcibly removed from settling anywhere and persecuted by the Christan dominate cultures., and of the Palestinians of today, who have had their homes and land taken away from them by a new culture they view as invaders and that the rest of the galaxy is content with leaving alone.

Add in some other nomadic cultural traits and middle eastern customs and boom, quarians conflict and culture is born.

[RenownedRyan]

I believe that the Quarians are sort of a mixture of Arabic and nomadic gypsies peoples. Obviously, the Krogan are based on Spartans. The Asari remind me a little of the Romans, in the sense that they are so technologically ahead of their constituents but also have a reputation for being morally loose. The Turians are hard for me to peg.

[Zkyire]

Kastrenzo wrote...

sorentoft wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

The Asari have always thrown me off though. I can't quite put my finger on what they represent to me.

Utopian.

Probably because they are mono gender, That throws everyone's perception off. I can't put a finger on them either.

No but we can put a finger in th--

..I wont finish that sentence.

[Calibrations Expert]

Let's just say they're everything but American Christians and call it a day.

[FS3D]

I think the Quarians are somewhat related to some cultural aspects of the Arabic populations of the middle east. Not in terms of religion, but in terms of everyday life, though I'm pretty sure Tali won't find herself being beheaded for going into a relationship with a human, unlike a Muslim in Iraq, who gets involved with a non-Muslim who doesn't convert. Honour killings are not, apparently, a way of life among those of the Migrant Fleet.

Edit: I also never saw any reference in the entry in the codex for any of the games to the Quarians following any monotheistic religion whatsoever, and their governance seems to follow secular lines.

Modifié par FS3D, 01 avril 2012 - 01:57 .

[daboy042188]

RenownedRyan wrote...

I believe that the Quarians are sort of a mixture of Arabic and nomadic gypsies peoples. Obviously, the Krogan are based on Spartans. The Asari remind me a little of the Romans, in the sense that they are so technologically ahead of their constituents but also have a reputation for being morally loose. The Turians are hard for me to peg.

turians are sorta fascist spartans. basically Heinlen's wet dream of a species

[Shajar]

Yes i think that too, Eastern Europe/Middle east.
Their talking style. Clothes, traditions.

[Cazlee]

1,2 happen in a lot of cultures and 3 is just irrelevant.
Trying to compare them to the middle east is just ignorant/offensive especially considering how stupid the quarians are.

Modifié par Cazlee, 01 avril 2012 - 02:02 .

[sasusori]

irishScott3 wrote...

Last I checked Quarians don't stone rape victims, so I'm tempted to say no. That or they're some of kind of enlightened future Arab culture.

neither do muslims, thats cultral its like in america where they used to burn the people that float in the water for being witches or using "obey thy master" as proof that god wanted whites to have slaves, slavery is not part of christianity like punishing victims is not part of islam

[sasusori]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Chemistry, the *science* of it, came from the Middle East. The number system we use today, with its positional notation and concept of zero, came from the Middle East. While European medicine involved sticking leeches on people and cracking skulls open, Middle Eastern medicine was discovering the importance of hygiene on the spread of infectious diseases, among other advances.
While European masons were still trying to figure out how to build elaborate structures out of stone by guesswork, Middle Eastern engineering relied on mathematics and developed the dome.
While Europeans were still looking up at the stars and trying to figure out what they 'meant', Middle Eastern observers were developing the study of astronomy as a science.
The sacking of Baghdad by the Huns, and the destruction wreaked among the scholars gathered there, are the primary reason that the Muslim world lost its edge in science.

nice read very informative, but something is wrong, the huns attacked rome, the mongolians sacked baghdad, but were later defeated by the egyptions

[irishScott3]

sasusori wrote...

irishScott3 wrote...

Last I checked Quarians don't stone rape victims, so I'm tempted to say no. That or they're some of kind of enlightened future Arab culture.

neither do muslims, thats cultral its like in america where they used to burn the people that float in the water for being witches or using "obey thy master" as proof that god wanted whites to have slaves, slavery is not part of christianity like punishing victims is not part of islam

Muslims in general?  No.

A significant minorty of Muslims, predominantly in the middle east?  Yes.

Modifié par irishScott3, 01 avril 2012 - 03:43 .

[Valah79]

SimonM72 wrote...

Muslims aren't allowed to get drunk - not even by emergency induction port.

And yet I have a ton of muslim friends that do.  Go figure.

[Turtlicious]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I always saw parallels to human culture in Mass Effect games:

Humans: Americans. The new upstarts who rapidly came into power. They have a chip on their shoulder, and many other cultures feel uneasy around them, mainly because of their rapid rise to power.

Krogan: Spartan. Not because they yell, but they're warriors through and through. They have very simple desires, and they fight to get them, but that doesn't mean they are brutes. Most are intelligent and clear sighted.....MOST.

Turian: Roman. They have a clear class system and a great army. They are also very well cultured and most do not fear death.

The Asari have always thrown me off though. I can't quite put my finger on what they represent to me.

The Greek, polytheistic with a mind for art and a good army.

[Valah79]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Chemistry, the *science* of it, came from the Middle East. The number system we use today, with its positional notation and concept of zero, came from the Middle East. While European medicine involved sticking leeches on people and cracking skulls open, Middle Eastern medicine was discovering the importance of hygiene on the spread of infectious diseases, among other advances.
While European masons were still trying to figure out how to build elaborate structures out of stone by guesswork, Middle Eastern engineering relied on mathematics and developed the dome.
While Europeans were still looking up at the stars and trying to figure out what they 'meant', Middle Eastern observers were developing the study of astronomy as a science.
The sacking of Baghdad by the Huns, and the destruction wreaked among the scholars gathered there, are the primary reason that the Muslim world lost its edge in science.

Uhm I have to correct this, as it is rife with errors and historical half truths.  It is true that for a brief period during the middle ages, for about two hundred years or so during the Arabic expansion and conquest of north Africa they were using more advanced sciences, in certain areas, then Europeans.

However.  The Arabic number system, was not invented by the Arabs, as someone already mentioned it was developed in India somewhere, we europeans got it and the notion of zero from them, but they did not discover it.  Middle eastern medicine had advanced indeed, but they did not dicover the importance of hygene, the Romans and Greeks knew about this way before the Arabs figured out the whole public bath works thing. 

Roman Engineering was far beyond anything the Arabs ever had, period, ever.  The Pantheon's dome was the largest and most advanced in the world for over a thousand years, and it was only surpassed in the late 1600 or 1700 by another European construction.  The arabs did not, by any stretch invent it. 

Middle eastern study of the stars was on par with Greek and Roman studies on the subject.  The principal and greatest gift the Arabic calphates gave to the world, was in fact the amount of old Greek and Roman tech they safeguarded.  They certainly had plenty of advances of their own, bringing many new discoveries in areas of chemistry, anatomy, optics, and the like.  Their engineers, sad to say, weren't particularly above their European counterparts.  The French, Germans, Spaniards and Italians were building great monestary and cathedrals well into the early 1000s, easily rivaling anything the Arabs built.

Europe went through a period of relatively short stagnation, in the grand scheme of history, due to the wave after wave after wave of invaders and wars it went through, both externally and internally caused.

Last but certainly not least, Baghdad was NOT sacked by the Huns, those fellas rampaged through europea .. ooh about 8-900 ears earlier, and were gone as a people by 1250 or so when Baghdad fell.  It was sacked by the Mongols, and the Arab empire had long split into the myriad of caliphates and fallen pray to infighting and religious zelotry by then.  The fall was very much of their own making, as many of the caliphates in the MIddle East turned away from their initially tolerant and welcoming ways to all cultures and religions and become more of the "we know best, convert or die" sort by then.  The longest lived and most succesful calphate, in my opinion, was the Caliphate of Cordoba, which managed to survive Spanish onslaught for quite a while, primarily because it was quite tolerant and open to new ideas.

I wish to reiterate that I'm not taking away from the many achievements the arab empire brought to the world, I just needed to correct your many historical inacuracies and set things straight.  At the very least Google your opinion before having one.  Kk thx.

[Auralius Carolus]

HinataKawaiiDesu wrote...

 This topic has appeared a lot, but I don't want to make a relation to how Cerberus is USA and the Quarians are muslims and they hate eachother like I've seen everywhere.

Ah crap, here comes a typing spell...

I've not seen this, *knock on wood*. The U.S. ... Like Cerberus? I think people have gotten way too deep into the "Hate America" mentality if so.

Cerberus is what one may reason to be a Kallipolate, (named after Plato's Republic). The Illusive Man is a tyrant, but unlike most, he is both sophisticated and idealistic, (in spite of his claims that it is Shepard, that may be the idealist). He has a grand vision for humanity in which requires social engineering and a master plan. In this plan, the end justifies the means, with all non-believers or non-useful individuals being killed or indoctrinated to serve him. Such behavior has been witnessed under Hitler and Mao ZeDong, and like T.I.M., these dictators proceded at extreme cost to their followers.

The Turians are clearly Latin in inspiration with a code of honor that largely surrounds success and glory in battle. Political maneuvering isn't underneith them, but neither is it boasted about. Even their names stand out as distinctively Latin. The difference is that the Latins began to suffer social, economical, agricultural, and political erosion shortly after their shift to an Empire. The Turians have prospered in this state.

The Geth are a classicly liberal democracy that appear to suffer constant shifting in public opinion based on circumstance, (one reason the representative Republic was created). Their thought processes, (contemplating the meaning of existance, the soul, liberty, the value of life, etc.), are contemporary with the philosophies climaxing in the Scottish and American Enlightenments.

The Asari can be viewed as influenced by many cultures, but I find them to be most profound in their use of symbology and religion. In some ways, they can be viewed as the Papal States which were noted for sophistication during the Renaissance, as well as rigid codes of conduct and brutality. In comparison to the Matriarchs and Justicars, the Papacy is Patriarchal and became infamous for backing Inquisitors, especially in Spain. Just like the Asari, the Catholic church evolved to adopt a wide range of symbols and relics, as well as monotheism, (not in that order, of course). Other similarities can be noted with Greek, Holy Roman and Roman Republic cultures in the realms of democracy and multi-cultural history.

The Quarians are a very different people, which seem to represent distinctions amongst Native Americans, Russians, and Arabs. Much like N. Americans, the Quarians are noted for their immune system degrading after leaving their place of origin, (N.A. being believed to have been mostly from somewhere in Asia). Like certain American tribes and Middle Eastern traditions, both civil culture and martial culture intertwine when necessary, and a system of elders guide the people, (Islamic Dynasties and Central American Empires not withstanding). The nomadic nature, extended-family significance and coming-of-age pilgrimages are also common in certain American/Arabic traditions, although the pilgrimages happen for different reasons. The Quarian affinity toward starship technology can also be related to the American/Arab affinity toward horses, and the veils and fully clothed bodies seem distinctly Arab. The common comparison of fleet size with the Turians, as well as amino acid construction can be seen as reflective of the Latins, which the early Russians were heavily influenced by, (via the Greeks). The accent appears to be a Eastern European/ Middle Eastern hybrid, which would explains Joker's Easter Egg about the Russian national anthem.

Tali's inability to handle alcohol is clearly linked to... uh... ahem. Never mind.  I'm sure it's just a personal thing. She is teeny, despite her height.

Modifié par Auralius Carolus, 01 avril 2012 - 05:55 .

[sasusori]

Valah79 wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Chemistry, the *science* of it, came from the Middle East. The number system we use today, with its positional notation and concept of zero, came from the Middle East. While European medicine involved sticking leeches on people and cracking skulls open, Middle Eastern medicine was discovering the importance of hygiene on the spread of infectious diseases, among other advances.
While European masons were still trying to figure out how to build elaborate structures out of stone by guesswork, Middle Eastern engineering relied on mathematics and developed the dome.
While Europeans were still looking up at the stars and trying to figure out what they 'meant', Middle Eastern observers were developing the study of astronomy as a science.
The sacking of Baghdad by the Huns, and the destruction wreaked among the scholars gathered there, are the primary reason that the Muslim world lost its edge in science.

Uhm I have to correct this, as it is rife with errors and historical half truths.  It is true that for a brief period during the middle ages, for about two hundred years or so during the Arabic expansion and conquest of north Africa they were using more advanced sciences, in certain areas, then Europeans.

However.  The Arabic number system, was not invented by the Arabs, as someone already mentioned it was developed in India somewhere, we europeans got it and the notion of zero from them, but they did not discover it.  Middle eastern medicine had advanced indeed, but they did not dicover the importance of hygene, the Romans and Greeks knew about this way before the Arabs figured out the whole public bath works thing. 

Roman Engineering was far beyond anything the Arabs ever had, period, ever.  The Pantheon's dome was the largest and most advanced in the world for over a thousand years, and it was only surpassed in the late 1600 or 1700 by another European construction.  The arabs did not, by any stretch invent it. 

Middle eastern study of the stars was on par with Greek and Roman studies on the subject.  The principal and greatest gift the Arabic calphates gave to the world, was in fact the amount of old Greek and Roman tech they safeguarded.  They certainly had plenty of advances of their own, bringing many new discoveries in areas of chemistry, anatomy, optics, and the like.  Their engineers, sad to say, weren't particularly above their European counterparts.  The French, Germans, Spaniards and Italians were building great monestary and cathedrals well into the early 1000s, easily rivaling anything the Arabs built.

Europe went through a period of relatively short stagnation, in the grand scheme of history, due to the wave after wave after wave of invaders and wars it went through, both externally and internally caused.

Last but certainly not least, Baghdad was NOT sacked by the Huns, those fellas rampaged through europea .. ooh about 8-900 ears earlier, and were gone as a people by 1250 or so when Baghdad fell.  It was sacked by the Mongols, and the Arab empire had long split into the myriad of caliphates and fallen pray to infighting and religious zelotry by then.  The fall was very much of their own making, as many of the caliphates in the MIddle East turned away from their initially tolerant and welcoming ways to all cultures and religions and become more of the "we know best, convert or die" sort by then.  The longest lived and most succesful calphate, in my opinion, was the Caliphate of Cordoba, which managed to survive Spanish onslaught for quite a while, primarily because it was quite tolerant and open to new ideas.

I wish to reiterate that I'm not taking away from the many achievements the arab empire brought to the world, I just needed to correct your many historical inacuracies and set things straight.  At the very least Google your opinion before having one.  Kk thx.

first off india did come up with zero, but the arab world essentially came up with modern day algebra and brought it to the west

next, hygien was far more pronounced in the arab culture then either roman or greek, it was alot more important and effective in arab culture then any that came before it

arab culture did not believe in slaves so it would be much harder for them to build anything of the magnatude of the romans did, but there designs were more advanced in a comparison

btw i mentioned that it was the mongols and not the huns that sacked baghdad five posts before you did, also by the time the arabs were amzingly tolerant, they were the first to tolerate other religions, they did have one rule (you have to believe in one god), but other than that, i think all it was, was a tax which is far better then anything europe had at the time (crusaders = convert or die), even after spain was conquered they left the core values there, and spain was part of the arab world for 800 yrs, they also were far more libral in female rights, nothing compared to what we have now, but at the time far better then the rest, what got the arabs to fall was the same as every other nation, a lazy population and greedy nobels

there is no religion i have ever read about that is only filled with hate, almost unversally they are about love (religions i have read about = christianity, judiusum, islam, budism) its not religions that make people intolerant, its ignorance, you want world be more tolerant try building schools there, intolerance has been linked to low income, and low education levels

[I_Jedi]

Quarians - Russian Federation
Geth - Former USSR states except Russia.
Asari - France
Batarians - North Korea
Turians - Cuba
Salarians - Germany
Everyone else - Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, and Andorra.

[Hajilestone]

I don't think this thread even deserves an answer.

[dallicant]

sasusori wrote...

first off india did come up with zero, but the arab world essentially came up with modern day algebra and brought it to the west

next, hygien was far more pronounced in the arab culture then either roman or greek, it was alot more important and effective in arab culture then any that came before it

arab culture did not believe in slaves so it would be much harder for them to build anything of the magnatude of the romans did, but there designs were more advanced in a comparison

btw i mentioned that it was the mongols and not the huns that sacked baghdad five posts before you did, also by the time the arabs were amzingly tolerant, they were the first to tolerate other religions, they did have one rule (you have to believe in one god), but other than that, i think all it was, was a tax which is far better then anything europe had at the time (crusaders = convert or die), even after spain was conquered they left the core values there, and spain was part of the arab world for 800 yrs, they also were far more libral in female rights, nothing compared to what we have now, but at the time far better then the rest, what got the arabs to fall was the same as every other nation, a lazy population and greedy nobels

there is no religion i have ever read about that is only filled with hate, almost unversally they are about love (religions i have read about = christianity, judiusum, islam, budism) its not religions that make people intolerant, its ignorance, you want world be more tolerant try building schools there, intolerance has been linked to low income, and low education levels

Actually there was a thriving slave trade in the Middle East that continued well into the 19th century.  It was forbidden to enslave other Muslims, which may be what you were thinking of.  Slaves were taken from around the world, particularly Africa and the Caucasus.  

Tolerance in the medieval Islamic states tended to vary according to ruler, but they were by no means the first.  The Persian Empire (which followed Zoroastrianism) permitted subjects to worship as they pleased.  In Islamic countries, those who were not Muslims were effectively second-class citizens.  Jews and Christians, as People of the Book, were better off than pagans, but still faced strictures on the practice of their religion.

On the plus side, non-Muslims were also exempt from military service.  Though they had to pay an extra tax, it was not that bad of a deal by the standards of the time.  Of course, sometimes the state engaged in persecution of religious minorities.  

An interesting story: the Fatimid Caliphate in Egypt was Shi'ite.  The Shi'ites were a minority in Egypt (and were a minority pretty much anywhere at the time; they didn't get a majority state until Persia's Safavid Empire) and had to deal with a Sunni majority.  As a result, the Fatimids actually went out of their way to give Christians and Jews comparatively favorable treatment as a balancing act.  This mirrors the tactics used by the modern day leaders of Syria, who ascribe to the Alewi sect of Islam.

The great Islamic civilizations contributed immensely to humanity.  I find the architecture of the mosques and palaces, with their exquisite abstract designs, absolutely breathtaking.  Art and knowledge flourished in many of these caliphates, at least for a while.  However, don't make the mistake of seeing in them prototypes of modern liberal democracy.  Because the sad fact is, back in the Middle Ages, pretty much everyone was a jerk.

Modifié par dallicant, 01 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[sasusori]

Human - American
Quarians - Middle East (muslim/jewish)
Geth - Borg/Data
Asari - Amazonian
Krogan - Mongolian
Turians - Roman
Salarians - Indian
Drell - Budist