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[The Makr]

I am a Pro-Ender because I believe the Indoc Theory.  I think it would be the greatest ending in video game history if they planned it that way and people thiught they were playing out the string, when really the player has darn near been indoctrinated, or at least experiencing it as closely as sheperd does.  It gets you literally into shepherd's most internal battle - fighting for control of his own mind.  How cool is that.  Part of the reason I'm not bitter is I got the best possible ending and I didn't read cheats to get it.  Now Bioware better make some more DLC (which I always buy from them anyway) and let me pull myself up out of the rubble and finish my business with the Reapers for real.  If that doesn't havppen then I won't get closure.

Also, as a working adult who acutally makes money $10 dlc supporting my fav developers all time is nothing to me.  Glad to support Bioware and will continue to do so.  Those who have a different opinion or cannot afford DLC I can empathize with that for sure though.

[Ratham]

What if they roll with the Indoc Theory but didn't originally plan it? Then the fans gave them a get out of jail free card. Of course even if this is true they'll still say it was planned all along.

[Mcfly616]

I agree wholeheartedly with the Title of this thread

[vasametropolis]

More like best non-ending, but I otherwise agree.

[Fulgrim88]

It's also the biggest ripoff of all time.

Day one dlc AND an incomplete ending? Certainly genius. But only from a sales perspective.
Might end up hurting them more than it gained though

[rachellouise]

'it was all a dream' is far from the best ending, and one generally avoided. I hope they clear some things up..but I would prefer something else to that

[Hexley UK]

Well only if Sheperd now wakes up and finishes the fight.....otherwise it's almost as bad as the Starjarbinks ending.

[Mystiq6]

SwobyJ wrote...
They already at least considered indoctrination. I can't believe so many people missed that info.

Could you explain that?

'it was all a dream' is far from the best ending, and one generally
avoided. I hope they clear some things up..but I would prefer something
else to that

I wouldn't call it a dream because it's definitely still a fight, though a fight taking place in someone's head. I was hoping the game would bring to bear the psychological issues of Shepard ever since the start of the first game (remember the beginning of ME1?). Shepard has issues and the game has not brought them to the forefront of the plot in any of the games, save for a mere mention in Mass Effect 1 and then a few lines about the pressure Shepard is under in Mass Effect 3, along with the dreams.

If IT is true, then it finally does bring this point forward and I would have more faith in Bioware's writers to not simply ignore something that should have such a profound effect on Shepard's actions, especially if he's being indoctrinated.

Remember the scene in Final Fantasy 7 where Cloud struggles with the fact of his own life? By all rights, Shepard should be going through something like that. If IT is true, then there should be a scene where all the clues pointing to Shepard's indoctrination are brought up in a montage, and the anger would probably give anyone a second wind and more reason to ****slap the reapers back to hell.

Modifié par Mystiq6, 31 mars 2012 - 11:06 .

[comrade gando]

If they planned it all along, then indeed this would be the greatest mindf--k moment in video games I can recall. Very clever when you notice all the subtleties hinting at indoctrination in the last 10 minutes. However you also must consider that by doing this the developers sold an incomplete game for full price, which brings up a lot of hot topics as far as developer/consumer morals.

I myself am not too bothered by it (not saying I like the endings right now they are terrible), surely a DLC will correct this soon.

However something I can't bring reason into is the "reveal" of a major character's face with a poor photo shop image. I have no idea what they were thinking when they made that. But that's another topic entirely.

[curufinwe03]

I guess EAs financial department would disagree. The game's price has been halved and don't get me started on the stocks...

[Narsilsword]

all time? its these types of hyperbolic statements that make me question modern game reviews.

If It is true, then it means Bioware pulled an "unreliable narrator" technique. I argue that if that is the case they did so poorly. Some of the evidence is too subtle. It doesn't just mean the ending we got was an illusion, it means we didn't get an ending at all!

If the reveal comes post-game then all those who moved on from mass effect never to return are lost to the true story. I don't think the writers would want their big reveal to be missed by those newcomer players they emphasized obtaining.

Maybe a good plot device, but poorly executed and not the saving grace the franchise needs.(yes go ahead and pull your dark knight quotes)

Modifié par Narsilsword, 31 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[zarnk567]

Yea it's great...... I bought an incomplete game.... woot....

[NPH11]

If I'm paying $10 for the end of a series that I already bought the conclusion to? No, that's quite damn far from the "greatest ending of all time"

Even if it's put up for free, it's still far from the "greatest ending of all time" because now they've shipped their game without an ending, which is stupid.

Modifié par NPH11, 31 mars 2012 - 11:04 .

[Surgate]

rachellouise wrote...

'it was all a dream' is far from the best ending, and one generally avoided. I hope they clear some things up..but I would prefer something else to that

This. The "it was all a dream/illusion/in their head" is cliche, lazy, and a massive cop out. There are far better ways to end a story.

[FlynN7]

I was expecting a Kanye West meme in here.

[spz123]

comrade gando wrote...

If they planned it all along, then indeed this would be the greatest mindf--k moment in video games I can recall. Very clever when you notice all the subtleties hinting at indoctrination in the last 10 minutes. However you also must consider that by doing this the developers sold an incomplete game for full price, which brings up a lot of hot topics as far as developer/consumer morals.

However, they wouldn't be the first to do so. In fact 2 very recent games are doing exactly that. Asuras Wrath and the latest Final Fantasy.

Add to the fact that Bioware have sold DLC to ME2 which are pretty significant to ME3 as well as significant day one DLC and ipad apps and isn't such a stretch to believe they could follow the likes of Square Enix and Capcom.

If they did, I'm pretty sure they didn't expect quite the vitriol the current endings received though.

[Aaleel]

I don't know why anyone would think it was so great. If the IT was planned it means that Bioware intentionally sold players a game with no ending and are going to charge said players to get the ending of the game.

So no ending to the vanilla game at all is the greatest ending of all time??

[Bhatair]

It's not a good ending, hell it's not an ending at all. I'm saying that as someone that likes the theory, it's entertaining and makes a lot of inconsistencies bearable.
It has less closure and resolves less than what we actually got. In that scenario the reaper war is still going on and nothing has been solved. Pretty ****** poor ending to the trilogy if you ask me. If they try to sell 'real' ending DLC to us later I'm done. I'm not going to buy what should have been part of the game to start with. Let's not kid ourselves here, either. This is EA we're talking about, they're going to charge for it.

[Hexley UK]

Aaleel wrote...

I don't know why anyone would think it was so great. If the IT was planned it means that Bioware intentionally sold players a game with no ending and are going to charge said players to get the ending of the game.

So no ending to the vanilla game at all is the greatest ending of all time??

Only if they charge for it.

It's unlikely but if this was their plan the DLC for it might be free.

[Calibrations Expert]

I dunno. Certainly better than the current ending. But why can't they just let us finish the game then? I want to end the series (and get a good ending 'cause I'm picky) and not have to wait two months and 10 bucks extra for it to happen. Not that i won't be happy if it happens, it was just a really dick move if it was all planned.

Modifié par Calibrations Expert, 31 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[Iwillbeback]

I don't think you can be a pro-ender and support that shepard is Indoctrination.

IMO there is 3 camps


- Pro Enders(The bad ones) Camp

- Demand A new ending Camp

- Shepard is Indoctrinated Camp



Pro-ender makes it seem like you want the ending to be that and the series to end there.


Indoctrination is that you want the game to expand on the bulls**t that we saw in the last 10 minutes and make out so it was a dream and then add more missions and finish the story the proper way.
That's not pro-ending as that wasn't the end.



And demand a better ending pretty much explains itself, it looks like an impossible task.