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[keesio74]

I'm a 2H warrior. I picked up Beserk for one specialization. The other recommended specialization seems to be Reaver. But if I recall correctly from DA:O, it is a "dark" specialization, maybe even evil. I think it has some connection to blood magic. The descriptions for the abilities seem to support this. Am I accurate? If so, I don't think I can pick it up for roleplaying purposes. I am playing a "good" character who opposes blood magic and in a rival relationshop with Merrill because I refuse to support her blood magic views. Unfortunately I am not a big chantry supporter so I don't want to get the Templar specialization. I guess I have no other options and will waste a point!

[Hexedcoder]

Psssht...then roleplay a hypocrite.

But it's not so much evil as dragon-worshiping and pain embracing. Heck, even the Grey Warden Joining is all scary and blood magicky.

Or...you can go templar and roll like Alistar.

Modifié par Hexedcoder, 01 avril 2012 - 12:54 .

[RonixisJK]

The templar specialization isn't actually joining the templars or anything; the description suggests that what you're doing is acquiring black-market lyrium to emulate templar abilities.

[DKJaigen]

keesio74 wrote...

I'm a 2H warrior. I picked up Beserk for one specialization. The other recommended specialization seems to be Reaver. But if I recall correctly from DA:O, it is a "dark" specialization, maybe even evil. I think it has some connection to blood magic. The descriptions for the abilities seem to support this. Am I accurate? If so, I don't think I can pick it up for roleplaying purposes. I am playing a "good" character who opposes blood magic and in a rival relationshop with Merrill because I refuse to support her blood magic views. Unfortunately I am not a big chantry supporter so I don't want to get the Templar specialization. I guess I have no other options and will waste a point!

You drink dragon blood and you are no longer sensitive to pain ( you only get pissed of more ) thats it. What you do with it is your choice

[calvinien]

There are no 'evil' specializations.

Dragon age has never been about black and white, all X are evil. Even blood magic isn't inherently evil. Merrill, a mage warden and default hawke can all use it without incident. It's not what power you have it's how you use it.


And to be blunt...what organization DOESN'T have some connection to blood magic? The grey wardens drink archdemon blood, the templars use the blood of mages to track them.

[Mokthar]

RonixisJK wrote...

The templar specialization isn't actually joining the templars or anything; the description suggests that what you're doing is acquiring black-market lyrium to emulate templar abilities.

you are implying lyrium is nedeed for templar abilities...

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

My Hawke was a reaver, and I thought that it was the most useful, since he can suck life out of an enemy during combat, which is like a free heal. He wasn't evil at all. It sounds to me like reavers are common in Orzammar.

[DeathScepter]

Reavers are good for Anti Heroes or Villains. Beserkers and Reaver do blend well due to their aggressive natures.

So a True Reaver and a True Berserker are natural ass kickers.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

DeathScepter wrote...

Reavers are good for Anti Heroes or Villains. Beserkers and Reaver do blend well due to their aggressive natures.

So a True Reaver and a True Berserker are natural ass kickers.

Why anti-hero or villain?  It's not like it is in Dungeons & Dragons where reavers are inherently evil.

[DeathScepter]

With Reavers are inherently more aggressive than Templars or Champion according to lore that is. So like their berserkers brethern, First in battle last out of it. Also Unlike Berserkers, Reavers blood ritual as of DAO does involve a death of a High Dragon. So an element of violence is involved in becoming a Reaver of DAO, same with the Grey Wardens. Grey Wardens are not the shining beacons of heroes.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

DeathScepter wrote...

With Reavers are inherently more aggressive than Templars or Champion according to lore that is. So like their berserkers brethern, First in battle last out of it. Also Unlike Berserkers, Reavers blood ritual as of DAO does involve a death of a High Dragon. So an element of violence is involved in becoming a Reaver of DAO, same with the Grey Wardens. Grey Wardens are not the shining beacons of heroes.

In DA2 the reaver specialization is automatically given, so I guess that you drank some dragon blood as a kid or something.    Grey Wardens are definitely heroes, regardless as to whether or not you're playing as a good one or not.  Saving the world from the spawn definitely qualifies as a hero.  As for the reavers, that one silent sister in Dragon Age 1 was a reaver, and so was that Dwarven guy from the DLC (he didn't seem bad).  Templars are fanatics that oppress mages, Elves, and others, and berserkers are driven by rage in battle.  Reavers turn their pain into strength, can vamp the life from enemies (useful but not evil in and of itself), etc.

[DeathScepter]

Only the ones Within DA2. There is a good reason for doing what the Templar dealing with the Mages.

Templars trained to always keep the Mages in check And keeping them in the circle is important.

1) Mage are walking weapons of mass destruction. So Without training, Accidents will happens. Also always going rogue is a problem and Abominations due to Demons wanting a body to use.

2) To Protect Mages from the outside world due to the people fearing them. Good, Evil or netural, People do fear the unknown.

3) Look what happen to Merril and her Mirror. For A Demon gotten involved in the mess.



Is draining life from an enemy evil unto itself?

Grey Warden do have their legends to aide them to use other people to their advantage. Don't forget many Grey Wardens will recruit criminals, Blood Mages or anyone to strengthen their order.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Deathcepter, mages are people. The templars are like the anti-mutant people in X-Men that want mutants to be 2nd class citizens. If mages were free, you'd just need mages in the police force to deal with evil mages that misuse their powers. Grey Wardens are heroes. They may not all come from good origins, but neither do war heroes in our world. Once their in the order, there expected to get it together and commit themselves to the goals of the order. Drinking DS blood isn't evil, and neither is drinking dragon blood. There are even foods that people can eat that contain blood. There's blood sausage, and some Chinese dishes that contain the blood of various animals. I've even heard of Asian delicacies like monkey brains where you are literally served a monkey's head with the top of the skull removed.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Here's a page with blood recipies:
http://www.phlebotom...t/blood-recipes

[DeathScepter]

Templars and the Chantry don't want mages to be 2nd class citizens. Within Dragon Age, Tervinter Mages are a good examples of Evil Mages and One of the reasons that the Veil at Kirkwall is so thin more-so than everywhere else in Thedas.

Reaver's specialization is a dark knowledge same as Blood Magic. It doesn't means it is evil but cautious is important.

Blood Magic can be used to manipulate people to do the user bidding. Reaver will always look for a fight regardless if the other people is a good or bad person.

Merril is the only good blood mage within Dragon Age. Many others are not so good. Jowan did some good in offering to remove the Demon from Connor but because of Jowan's actions, The Desire Demon took Connor's body.

Knowledge can be abused regardless if you are a good person or not.

Either extreme is bad.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

keesio74 wrote...

I'm a 2H warrior. I picked up Beserk for one specialization. The other recommended specialization seems to be Reaver. But if I recall correctly from DA:O, it is a "dark" specialization, maybe even evil. I think it has some connection to blood magic. The descriptions for the abilities seem to support this. Am I accurate? If so, I don't think I can pick it up for roleplaying purposes. I am playing a "good" character who opposes blood magic and in a rival relationshop with Merrill because I refuse to support her blood magic views. Unfortunately I am not a big chantry supporter so I don't want to get the Templar specialization. I guess I have no other options and will waste a point!

According to the spec description from DA:O, Reaver has its basis in blood magic and demonic rites. If you consider that evil, then I guess Reaver would be an evil spec.

I didn't like any of the Warrior specs for my first PC. Reaver and Berserker were out of character for her, and she wasn't so chummy with the Templars that she'd learn their skills either. So she finished the game with no spec at all.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Hanashan, the Silent Sister from DA1, was a reaver, and she didn't come across as evil or demonic. Reavers can't control minds either (except for inducing fear in an enemy). Even on DA wiki it mentions that it isn't clear why demons are mentioned at all, since the power is derived from a dragon.

The situation in Tevinter was just a different version of slavery and oppression. You can't use one to justify the other. Even Fenris realizes this right before the final battle when you tell him "I thought that freedom from slavery meant something to you."

[BigBad]

Don't forget that very often, characters have specializations solely to give them abilities and talents to approximate their level of deadliness. Genlocks in DA:O were all Berserkers, but it's highly doubtful that they actually trained in the dwarven discipline. Likewise, there were several Arcane Warriors in Ferelden that were probably not actually privy to the lost secrets of the elven discipline.

Since there's no narrative acknowledgement of your specializations, I'd say pick whatever you want and just ignore the fluff text.

[DeathScepter]

Reaver is a dark discipline but just because it is dark, it doesn't mean it is evil.

OF course there are fanatics with Templars as much as there are dangerous mages. Chantry is right about magic serving Man; not man serving Magic.

Sir Pounce-a-Lot, there is always expectation to the rule about all specializations and everything within life and Dragon Age.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

DeathScepter wrote...

Reaver is a dark discipline but just because it is dark, it doesn't mean it is evil.

OF course there are fanatics with Templars as much as there are dangerous mages. Chantry is right about magic serving Man; not man serving Magic.

Sir Pounce-a-Lot, there is always expectation to the rule about all specializations and everything within life and Dragon Age.

The reaver is a dark discipline.  That's true.  In the Dragon Age universe, it is true that "magic should serve man and not rule over him", but that doesn't translate to "imprison, oppress, and enslave those with magic".

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

Hanashan, the Silent Sister from DA1, was a reaver, and she didn't come across as evil or demonic. Reavers can't control minds either (except for inducing fear in an enemy). Even on DA wiki it mentions that it isn't clear why demons are mentioned at all, since the power is derived from a dragon.

Specifically it's derived from a dragon's (or wyvern's) blood. Dragons didn't teach it to them.

Like I said, if you're the sort to consider blood magic (or blood rites) as evil and inevitably associated with demons, then Reaver is evil.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

Hanashan, the Silent Sister from DA1, was a reaver, and she didn't come across as evil or demonic. Reavers can't control minds either (except for inducing fear in an enemy). Even on DA wiki it mentions that it isn't clear why demons are mentioned at all, since the power is derived from a dragon.

Specifically it's derived from a dragon's (or wyvern's) blood. Dragons didn't teach it to them.

Like I said, if you're the sort to consider blood magic (or blood rites) as evil and inevitably associated with demons, then Reaver is evil.

Dark isn't necessarily evil. In DA1, becoming a reaver didn't involve demons at all. The real problems with blood magic is that it enables mind control and many times involves demons. If you take those two things away, it wouldn't be bad at all. 

[DeathScepter]

To Sir Pounce-A-Lot, both the Circle and the Templar are the military arms of the Chantry.

Keep in mind that the main difference between A mage and a normal person is that Mage doesn't need a blade to kill a person.

Mages are naturally more dangerous than a normal person due to their abilities and the Mages were a great asset for stopping the Qunari.

[keesio74]

Sir Pounce-a-lot wrote...

The real problems with blood magic is that it enables mind control and many times involves demons. If you take those two things away, it wouldn't be bad at all. 

The mind control thing does not bother me. It don't consider it so "evil". manipulation, yes. Evil, no. It's like horror in the entropy tree. You are messing with their mind.

Now demons... there is no way to justify demons as anything other than evil.

[Sir Pounce-a-lot]

The mind control is a problem since they could control people's minds without them even realizing it (in non-combat settings). The entropic spells are combat-oriented, and the target knows that he was attacked.