I saw those characters before I just never made the connection really that it was the same characters until I started playing through the first game again a few days ago
I never realized that Merill and Isabela both show up in Dragon Age Origins
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 01:35
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I was familar with Isabela, especially since I first played a DW rogue and was looking where to get that duelist specialization. But I never played the dalish origin so never saw Merrill.
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 02:41
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I met Isabela but never met Merril.
Makes you wonder which caracter from DA2 will turn up in the next game.
Maybe Cullen being a templar
in a role in the upcoming war?
Makes you wonder which caracter from DA2 will turn up in the next game.
Maybe Cullen being a templar
in a role in the upcoming war?
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 06:49
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I like the game, but this is one of my complaints. Even though they mention previous events, Merrill, Anders, and Isabela are totally disconnected from their previous incarnations. I hope DA3 stays away from the character upgrades.
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 07:01
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Hopefully Maraas, that Tal-Vashoth fellow. Possibly Feynriel.sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
I met Isabela but never met Merril.
Makes you wonder which caracter from DA2 will turn up in the next game.
Maybe Cullen being a templar
Don't care to see many of the others back. Not that I dislike the DA2 companions, but I rather their stories stay with Hawke's, not have them continue on with Hawke conspicuously absent.
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 10:58
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Mungolian_ wrote...
I like the game, but this is one of my complaints. Even though they mention previous events, Merrill, Anders, and Isabela are totally disconnected from their previous incarnations. I hope DA3 stays away from the character upgrades.
Isabela's personality stays pretty much the same, but with Merrill they made a 180 degrees turn. She was not naieve or awkward or shy at all in the Dalish origin. Quite the opposite, in fact. I don't understand why they bothered to take that character if they changed everything about her except for her hair.
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 12:11
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Merrill, when with her clan, radiates confidence - you can see evidence of this in the conversations with the Keeper in DA2, and as such, it parallels her demeanor in DA:O.renjility wrote...
Isabela's personality stays pretty much the same, but with Merrill they made a 180 degrees turn. She was not naieve or awkward or shy at all in the Dalish origin. Quite the opposite, in fact. I don't understand why they bothered to take that character if they changed everything about her except for her hair.
However, when she's outside of her element and around humans, with whom she has had limited exposure (and thus hardly understands why they do what they do), she is much less sure of herself and comes off as awkward. Take that, and magnify it a bit by being plopped into the environment of Kirkwall's alienage.
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 02:26
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Hopefully Maraas, that Tal-Vashoth fellow. Possibly Feynriel.sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
I met Isabela but never met Merril.
Makes you wonder which caracter from DA2 will turn up in the next game.
Maybe Cullen being a templar
Don't care to see many of the others back. Not that I dislike the DA2 companions, but I rather their stories stay with Hawke's, not have them continue on with Hawke conspicuously absent.
I would like to see Cullen back because his rol grew in DA2 and has a lot of potential for DA3.
Maraas is another good character to return to give the Qunari more storyline. And oh, almost forgot about Feynriel. That could give great possibilities. The only problem with him is the choisis you made for him in DA2 (import issues
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Posté 01 avril 2012 - 03:51
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Yeah, and Merrill obviously aged back.
In DAO, there was never a hint of this stupid over-the-top naivety.
In DAO, there was never a hint of this stupid over-the-top naivety.
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Posté 02 avril 2012 - 04:19
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I'm pretty sure Isabella will be a bangable NPC or companion next game too...
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Posté 02 avril 2012 - 03:46
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Porenferser wrote...
Yeah, and Merrill obviously aged back.
In DAO, there was never a hint of this stupid over-the-top naivety.
So the elven mage who is researching elven technology that boggled even the greatest minds of the Tevinter Imperium, who has used magic proficiently and performed blood magic responsibly, who has fought alongside Hawke for several years, is naive and stupid? I admire Merrill for being proactive about trying to help the People, especially when Hawke is so passive throughout the narrative.
Honestly, I really don't see Merrill being naive or stupid. It's culture shock to deal with a different society for the first time, it isn't stupidity. Merrill is naive when it comes to human culture, but then again, she's a Dalish elf who has had no exposure to a human city, or a completely alien society that doesn't mirror her own.
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Posté 02 avril 2012 - 05:10
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Feynriel must return! He's such a unique and interesting character, with his Freddy Kreuger-like powers. The "Who Needs Rescuing?" quest confirmed his badass-ness.
The Bioware staff are no strangers to hand-waving, so import issues shouldn't be an obstacle.
The Bioware staff are no strangers to hand-waving, so import issues shouldn't be an obstacle.
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Posté 02 avril 2012 - 08:02
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Feynriel must return! He's such a unique and interesting character, with his Freddy Kreuger-like powers. The "Who Needs Rescuing?" quest confirmed his badass-ness.
The Bioware staff are no strangers to hand-waving, so import issues shouldn't be an obstacle.
The somniari are really interesting I think. The old magisters supposingly were dreamers too.
I for one let Feynriel live and go to Tevinter but there are players who made him tranquil or let him go to the circle. Maybe they introduce another dreamer in DA4 because of the import issues.
I for one would like him in my party; imagine his powers
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Posté 03 avril 2012 - 05:13
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Well, they did redesign them so much that it almost seemed like they shouldn't have made them the same characters. Well, for Merrill at least, Isabela was about the same character-wise. But I seem to remember Merrill in the Dalish origin thing being a bit more...capable than the Merrill in DA2.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 08:53
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I have to agree.Mungolian_ wrote...
I like the game, but this is one of my complaints. Even though they mention previous events, Merrill, Anders, and Isabela are totally disconnected from their previous incarnations. I hope DA3 stays away from the character upgrades.
I replayed the Dalish origin (my first Warden was Dalish), and it was just jarring to see this Merrill after the DA2 version. In Origins, she's a stereotypical competent lorekeeper, so I don't miss that incarnation much, but damn, I'd prefer some consistent characterization.
Same with Anders and Justice, but at least they have an in-universe excuse. My personal "canon" is that the "Anders" in DA2 is not the same Anders, but a new personality created from the fusion of Anders and Justice, as a perversion of both.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 08:46
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I knew Merril was, but Isabela? Man, she was 100% unrecognizable. I went an googled "Isabela Dragon Age Origins" and I remember her now. Not even close to what she originally looked like. They are two completely different characters.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 04:39
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Mungolian_ wrote...
I like the game, but this is one of my complaints. Even though they mention previous events, Merrill, Anders, and Isabela are totally disconnected from their previous incarnations. I hope DA3 stays away from the character upgrades.
I can't vouch for Merrill, since I didn't play a Dalish origins in DA:O, but I definitely found Anders really, really different. I remember him in Awakening as being so..upbeat, sarcastic, kind of darkly funny. In DA2, he's really broody. Dark, and not in a funny way.
Very intense.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 07:56
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I can't vouch for Merrill, since I didn't play a Dalish origins in DA:O, but I definitely found Anders really, really different. I remember him in Awakening as being so..upbeat, sarcastic, kind of darkly funny. In DA2, he's really broody. Dark, and not in a funny way.
Very intense.
That's what happens when Anders introduced a second personality into his own - namely Justice.
Anders was light hearted in Awakening, but he clearly did not support the mages being locked up by the templars. He was dissapointed by it and covered it with humor. Kind of like Alistair in Origins.
Now in comes a powerful spirit of Justice. Now his disappointment is combined with righteous fury. Voila! Vengeance. Now a spirit of Justice has turnied into a demon of Vengeance and Anders has turned into an abomination.
I think Anders' personality change was one of the best written character arcs in the Dragon Age story as it made perfect sense.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 01:44
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I felt a bit of the old Anders was still around in act 1 but as the game progressed, he became more obsessive and by act 3, he had changed very much. But then again, it was over many years so this change was not instant.
Hanz is right that Justice had a lot to do with this. My issue is more with Justice. I feel he is a different, more vengeful, spirit than the one I met in Awakening
Hanz is right that Justice had a lot to do with this. My issue is more with Justice. I feel he is a different, more vengeful, spirit than the one I met in Awakening
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 06:54
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I remember Anders saying something like because of all the rage that he had inside him, Justice became twisted and became a spirit of Vengenace.
Isabella still seemed the same to me. The only thing they did was change her appearance. Her personality was pretty much the same.
Merrill seems like the same character when you have a rivalry with her. I take the awkwardness as being away from her comfort zone since the only human she had contact with was Duncan if you import a dalish warden and even then he wasn't around for very long.
The thing that caught me off guard with her was how she felt about the dalish warden. She never showed that type of affection for him/her in origins.
Isabella still seemed the same to me. The only thing they did was change her appearance. Her personality was pretty much the same.
Merrill seems like the same character when you have a rivalry with her. I take the awkwardness as being away from her comfort zone since the only human she had contact with was Duncan if you import a dalish warden and even then he wasn't around for very long.
The thing that caught me off guard with her was how she felt about the dalish warden. She never showed that type of affection for him/her in origins.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 08:17
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Newnation wrote...
I remember Anders saying something like because of all the rage that he had inside him, Justice became twisted and became a spirit of Vengenace.
Interetsing. Mages can corrupt spirits just like spirts can corrupt mages.
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Posté 03 mai 2012 - 09:37
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Interetsing. Mages can corrupt spirits just like spirts can corrupt mages.
As an amalgamation from different Gaider posts, codexes, and things Merrill says about demons: there really is no difference between demons and spirits to start. They are "blank slates" that do not have the passions of mortals. They become a demon or a spirit when they discover mortal emotions. How that discovery occurs is not entirely clear to me. In any case, once the spirit senses the mortal's emotions, it "absorbs" the strongest emotion - latches on to that emotion and pursues it further. That is when the blank slate becomes a spirit or a demon.
Which is why Anders case is so fascinating. He demonstrates that not only can these Fade Beings evolve into a spirit or demon of a simple emotion or cause, but the Fade being can develop further. In this case, as you said, the mage corrupts the spirit.
It would be interesting if someone who uses demonology like Merrill could turn a demon into a benevolent force . . . something to think about.
