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[Vhalkyrie]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

And what did Martin Luther King, Jr. fight for in the Civil Rights movement? He fought for ideals and principles - he wanted to ensure that his people had a future in which they and others would be treated as equals and not be judged by the color of their skin. He didn't do it solely for his children - he did it for all children and all people, even at the cost of his life. Do I have to throw in Mahatma Gandhi too and point out how he wanted a better future for his people with India freed from British rule?

Gandhi would never advocate the use of a weapon that would destroy not only the Brits, but also everyone in India so that one day in the future India would be free of the Brits.

The choice Shepard is asked to make obliterates the Reapers, and also all the planetary life in the galaxies in which s/he was supposed to be fighting for.

[Persephone]

jvara wrote...

viperabyss wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

There. Is. No. Valid. Reason. To. Like. The. Endings.

I have to chime in. A lot of people don't like the ending, me included. But that is only our opinion. Some people found reasons to like the ending, and their opinion is about as valid as yours.

Seriously, although we're in the same camp, but please, grow up.

from a proffesional (Sic!) sight they'r ejust plain broken in basic concepts. People CAN like them, but I'm sure there are NO valid reasons at all to like them, people just like them and that's all, they don't need a reason, and that's a good thing for them, because there is NONE. Period. I mean, I'm sure there is some crazy guy out there who liked Superman64, and that doesn't make it reasonable.

Well, what makes an opinion professional? 

What a delightful show of maturity and professionalism....really....

[Karrie788]

Lookout1390 wrote...

Can someone please just explain 1 thing to me...

What was the point of the crucible?

What exactly did it do?

Um... well originally it was supposed to be a super weapon that could destroy the Reapers. Specifically the Reapers. With a giant beam or something, I don't know.
A "Reapers off" button I guess. Maybe if Garrus had calibrated it it would have worked just fine.

Honestly I don't know, I don't think we're being told much about it. Or maybe I wasn't paying attention.

[The Angry One]

Sidney wrote...


The relays - well the relays had to go that was no shocker. Again, that seemed like a given from very early one once you found out that:
a. They are Reaper tech
b. They have a f#$kload of power stored in them

Either they had to go to remove the reaper presence OR they would be the only things with enough energy to wipe out the reapers.

That's really a non-issue. Everything is Reaper tech, from biotic implants to thanix cannons. It's a false dilemma, without the Reapers there's no reason to fear Reaper tech, they are tools, and required tools.
You could still factor in the relay network as a tool to destroy the Reapers, but to destroy the mass relays is simply thoughtless and unecesarry.

Modifié par The Angry One, 01 avril 2012 - 03:58 .

[Sidney]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Sidney wrote..

The overhwleming power of the reapers in ME1 made a space magic ending almost inevitable. I mean one reaper vs the entire citadel fleet was a mismatch (with some assorted Geth) so 1000's of Reapers was clearly not going to be a gunfire solution type problem. I was expecting a virus ala Independence Day myself since we'd already shown that rewriting "bad" synthetics was possible.

I would have liked a story that demonstrated thematically there is no such thing as invincible.  They seemed to start to head that way in Rannoch with the Reaper "eye".  And the Thresher Maw on Tuchanka.  They just needed to build up more momentum.  Honestly, I expected the most we could hope for at the end was a strategic retreat from the Reapers.  But then that wouldn't necessarily finish Shepard's story, and they seemed hell bent on closing it.  Even it if meant introducing a deus ex machina.

Frankly the events on Rannoch and Tuchanka bothered me because the it made the reapers seem awfully weak. They were killable by fairly normal means. Obviously the mass of them over earth was another issue but still a big worm killed one?

Also, it isn't a DEM ending. The Crucible doesn't come out of nowhere, it is what you have been trying to build all game long.  The thing that comes out of nowhere is Space Ghost telling you his "plan" and then giving up on his millions year old plan because you, well not you sincen he sent the magical elevator, got to a specific room on the Citadel.

[The Angry One]

Sidney wrote...

Frankly the events on Rannoch and Tuchanka bothered me because the it made the reapers seem awfully weak. They were killable by fairly normal means. Obviously the mass of them over earth was another issue but still a big worm killed one?

Those were Destroyers. Also, the SR1 hulled Sovereign with one torpedo. They were never invincible. In fact, ME3 rather overplays their strength.

[Giantdeathrobot]

The relays - well the relays had to go that was no shocker. Again, that
seemed like a given from very early one once you found out that:
a. They are Reaper tech
b. They have a f#$kload of power stored in them

Hm, everything Mass Effect related is Reaper tech. The very use of element zero to power ships (and, by extension, biotics to a degree) came from the Protheans, who inherited it from the previous cycle and so on and so forth. Why are Mass Relays being singled out here? Why MUST they blow up? To signal the end of an age or something, that's pretty cliche imo. Like ending the Roman Empire by destroying all the Aqueducts and Apian Ways. Having an ending where we keep the Relays as trophies of war would seem pretty nice to me. There's nothing inheently wrong with the Relays if the Reapers are gone. They're just a means of transportation upon which the entirety of the galactic civilization is based. And about them having too much power, well that only becomes an issue when the Reapers themselves are involved (Arrival to stop them, ME3 ending to spread the Signal/Space Magic).

[Quietness]

The Angry One wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Frankly the events on Rannoch and Tuchanka bothered me because the it made the reapers seem awfully weak. They were killable by fairly normal means. Obviously the mass of them over earth was another issue but still a big worm killed one?

Those were Destroyers. Also, the SR1 hulled Sovereign with one torpedo. They were never invincible. In fact, ME3 rather overplays their strength.

hate repeating but due to it being relevant:


The thing about that is the technological leaps that have been made since me1 that keep being ignored.  Thanix cannons come standard, the barriers/shields and armor have also jumped by leaps. None of this is used in the current cut-scenes. Yes the ME1 ships were weak, but the current military is a beast of a completely different color now. 

[Reptilian Rob]

The Angry One wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Frankly the events on Rannoch and Tuchanka bothered me because the it made the reapers seem awfully weak. They were killable by fairly normal means. Obviously the mass of them over earth was another issue but still a big worm killed one?

Those were Destroyers. Also, the SR1 hulled Sovereign with one torpedo. They were never invincible. In fact, ME3 rather overplays their strength.

ME3 destroyed the Reapers in terms of antagonists. 

They should have been left a mystery, not turned into some ridiculous plot device five minutes before the end. 

[Powerpetzi]

Lookout1390 wrote...

Can someone please just explain 1 thing to me...

What was the point of the crucible?

What exactly did it do?

It ... it .. produced space magic in 1 of 3 colors... *sobs*


On topic, I totally agree with you, OP. 
(A fairly common occurance these days.)

Modifié par Powerpetzi, 01 avril 2012 - 04:04 .

[Rogue Unit]

The Angry One wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Frankly the events on Rannoch and Tuchanka bothered me because the it made the reapers seem awfully weak. They were killable by fairly normal means. Obviously the mass of them over earth was another issue but still a big worm killed one?

Those were Destroyers. Also, the SR1 hulled Sovereign with one torpedo. They were never invincible. In fact, ME3 rather overplays their strength.

And that was without a Thanix cannon

[Quietness]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Frankly the events on Rannoch and Tuchanka bothered me because the it made the reapers seem awfully weak. They were killable by fairly normal means. Obviously the mass of them over earth was another issue but still a big worm killed one?

Those were Destroyers. Also, the SR1 hulled Sovereign with one torpedo. They were never invincible. In fact, ME3 rather overplays their strength.

ME3 destroyed the Reapers in terms of antagonists. 

They should have been left a mystery, not turned into some ridiculous plot device five minutes before the end. 

I started laughing while tearing up when i just replayed ME1 while talking to sovereign.... all i could hear was Consuela's Voice:

 

The reapers have been turned into no better than a maid...

[Persephone]

Powerpetzi wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

Can someone please just explain 1 thing to me...

What was the point of the crucible?

What exactly did it do?

It ... it .. produced space magic in 1 of 3 colors... *sobs*

No, it did not. There IS more to it than "Just three colors", there are major differences to these choices. They all just leave me with a sense of bitterness.

[kglaser]

It was really, really bright. ><

[Julie the bogan]

BrotherWarth wrote...

For those saying that the future is more important than seeing what becomes of our friends/lovers/crew, what future is that exactly? The future where the Sol system is now overpopulated with the various races of the galaxy? The future where the Quarians will assuredly die, stranded in a system without the resources to sustain them? The future where an already overpopulated and now devastated Earth will be completely consumed by the aliens stranded there? The future where the Asari and Turian homeworlds are just as devastated as Earth? Or the future where space flight and inter-system travel is no more so efforts to remedy any of these things will be at worst impossible and at best gravely stifled?
The ending didn't just kill Shepard. It killed the future of the galaxy we spent 3 games getting to know and trying to save.

This this this!
It's almost like they blew up the relays and the citidel to say one simple thing "This is our universe we created it and we can destroy it".

[Jadebaby]

The Angry One wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Frankly the events on Rannoch and Tuchanka bothered me because the it made the reapers seem awfully weak. They were killable by fairly normal means. Obviously the mass of them over earth was another issue but still a big worm killed one?

Those were Destroyers. Also, the SR1 hulled Sovereign with one torpedo. They were never invincible. In fact, ME3 rather overplays their strength.

Really? Kalros is a boss.. I had more trouble accepting taking one down with a cain near the end..... But yes, what Angry says... The major defense of any reaper is in it's shields/barriers. If you can get them down, you can hurt them. As seen with Sovereign.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 01 avril 2012 - 04:05 .

[Kesak12]

agree with you op.

[Rolando93]

What is the problem? If you care so much about those characters then be happy they are alive, that they survived the Reaper invasion. I'd give anything  just to know that Mordin and Legion made it out alive. If you cared more about keeping the galaxy as is rather than stopping the cycle you should have quit after Thessia. The designers kept it real. Things were going to change. Maybe galactic civilization shot backwards thousands of years but the fact is that those people you care about made it through and that they can rebuild. You can't just choose exactly what ending you want. If video games were made like that I would have put my consiousness into a Securitron and rode around the Mojave with a rocket launcher arm at the end Fallout: New Vegas. You have to trust the designers to make an ending for you and in Mass Effect 3's case, an ending where you can get everything you ever wanted in a galaxy doesn't exist. The point was to stop the Reapers and it was going to come at a cost. That is the game we all bought.

Reptilian Rob, the Reapers were revealed as tools back on Thessia. The Catalyst was revealed then too, just not named. The downed reaper on Rannoch also helps to clarify their existence.

Modifié par Rolando93, 01 avril 2012 - 04:12 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

And what did Martin Luther King, Jr. fight for in the Civil Rights movement? He fought for ideals and principles - he wanted to ensure that his people had a future in which they and others would be treated as equals and not be judged by the color of their skin. He didn't do it solely for his children - he did it for all children and all people, even at the cost of his life. Do I have to throw in Mahatma Gandhi too and point out how he wanted a better future for his people with India freed from British rule?

Gandhi would never advocate the use of a weapon that would destroy not only the Brits, but also everyone in India so that one day in the future India would be free of the Brits.

The choice Shepard is asked to make obliterates the Reapers, and also all the planetary life in the galaxies in which s/he was supposed to be fighting for.

*rolleyes* The point being made is that people can and do fight for principles - it's not about Shepard using peaceful protests and hunger strikes a la Gandhi to force the Reapers into withdrawing. But hey, good going on that completely tangential point of yours which has nothing to do with the issue of why people fight and what their motivations are. And again, Shepard clearly doesn't destroy all planetary life in the galaxy (or the universe) based on the evidence. I see definite proof in the cinematics and coda of our survival, whereas you don't (or want to willfully ignore it, which is fine with me).

[thesnake777]

OP
I agree that my main issues with the endings are I hear nothing about the characters. Honestly every ending is a reaper win at the end of the day.

Destroy blows apart the relays. Doom for everybody

Synthesis. This is a nicer version of what the Reapers were doing in the first place. So mission accomplished.

Control......um yea from what I saw the reapers are still around....the cycle has been postponed...so they'll be back.....

Modifié par thesnake777, 01 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[AnsinJung]

This makes me even happier that LotR has them appendices. 

BUT, those appendices are icing on the cake and would be a nice bonus after adding some actual meat to the endings.  There was also 5 chapters of resolution, and Scouring of the Shire would probably be a DLC these days.

Harry Potter isn't nearly as detailed in the ending.  After all, why include a bunch of details when you can leave plenty of room, since it's a veritable gold mine for future content.  In spite of that, it provides enough closure to go on with.  The only thing I wanted to see was Harry talk to Snape's headmaster portrait.  He'd probably still give him crap but maybe a wink as well.

My brief outline for a possible ending fix I'll reiterate here as quickly as possible.  Shepard defeats Reapers, but isn't the same.  Be it PTSD or lasting indoctrination, Shepard is a potential threat.  Choose life, death, exile.  Before that choice, reunion with crew, learn of their future, maybe have some influence, possibly take part.  Can't break up with LI at this point, but can choose varying future, within and in addition to life/exile. 

Adopt a Krogan!  Go deal with a Yahg threat.  The galaxy is still filled with criminals and mad scientists, i.e., Omega and Henry Lawson's twin brother!. 

If I want more ME3 content, aside from fixed endings (assumption atm, of course), I want stuff I care about, getting back to OP theme.  I'm not going to care if everything still results in the current endings.  Period.  They are unredeemable if left in this incomplete state.  You can add a new character here or there, a LotSB type of mission.

ExoGeni and Zhu's Hope could provide some albeit cheesy, "The Thorian was merely a setback..." DLC but you get the idea.  Sha'ira the Consort, Javik, a rogue spectre, A volus/Elcor/Hanar/Drell plot.  Turians gone wild.  Yahgtzee mini-game!

[Garlador]

BrotherWarth wrote...

For those saying that the future is more important than seeing what becomes of our friends/lovers/crew, what future is that exactly? The future where the Sol system is now overpopulated with the various races of the galaxy? The future where the Quarians will assuredly die, stranded in a system without the resources to sustain them? The future where an already overpopulated and now devastated Earth will be completely consumed by the aliens stranded there? The future where the Asari and Turian homeworlds are just as devastated as Earth? Or the future where space flight and inter-system travel is no more so efforts to remedy any of these things will be at worst impossible and at best gravely stifled?
The ending didn't just kill Shepard. It killed the future of the galaxy we spent 3 games getting to know and trying to save.

Yeah. I feel like, instead of giving people no future, we just gave them a terrible future. At this point, being harvested by Reapers almost seems like a mercy compared to the slow, long, drawn-out suffering we've doomed everyone to.

[j78]

I agree with op lets hope that that attachment to the characters translates to dollar signs to EA if not we could lose ME as we know it .Their goals were clear in the press release, new Mass Effect content and new full games.

[aliengmr1]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

On point one: The endings don't do that at all. See, here's where you're going to say that everything's destroyed, ruined and hopeless. Then I point out that the Normandy crash indicates that planets clearly survive the death of the relay system and that by logical extension Palaven and all those many other worlds with people still exist, which means that there is a future. So, let's just get that out of the way now and agree to permanently disagree about it.

This assumes you know what planet they landed on and that was any where near a relay. Most of the galaxy in ME is unknown. They could have been knocked out mid jump and arrived in unknown system.

Of course this could have been cleared up by crashing on Earth. As it is there isn't one bit of evidence to refute the relays DIDN'T go supernova. I would prefer not to believe that, but I want to know it.

Also, humans hardly consider more than a couple generations into the future, let alone 50k.