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[Turtlicious]

firebreather19 wrote...

Turtlicious wrote...

firebreather19 wrote...

I don't believe anyone's too stupid to get the ending. I just believe folks are too selfish to accept it. Big difference.

And you don't find that even a little bit ego-tistical?

How? It's true. Each reasoning usually starts with "I want, I was promised, I believed, I hate, I space magic, I this, I that." This whole thread started from someone not caring about the central core idea of sacrifice in the game but rather that they wanted to sit on a beach with their LI and drink Coronas. 

how is being given what is promised to me selfish? I pre-ordered Mass Effect based on what was promised to me by Bioware. They said, "Product contains X" I bought it and Product did not contain X, So how am I selfish for asking them to give me X inside the aforementioned product?

[Rolando93]

The Angry One wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

A rather common tactic among.. certain people.

Inferring is a rather common tactic. In fact if you jump in the air you will then fall down. You can then infer that there is some sort of force causing you to come back down. Just because something is not written out in front of you does not mean that it is illogical.

[kidbd15]

Still, the worst thing about this is that Shepard takes the Starchild's word about what is going to happen with each ending... he places trust is something he has never met: the Reaper boss. If Harbinger was talking to him instead of the kid giving him these choices, would Shepard believe Harbinger?

My Shep wouldn't. Maybe that was the point though, to introduce a the Reaper boss as a child so our Shep would believe it..? And we're supposed to assume everything is okay because Joker nonsensically lands on a conveniently placed jungle planet... even though we were told in Arrival that the destruction of a relay would destroy the system it is in... sighhhhhh

[Quietness]

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

Why bother with noteworthy on someone who is going to respond with their own opinion and treat it as fact? Lol its been stated over the past several pages that you've been using your opinion to reject cause "No they wouldnt do it that way? cause....cause....cause....".

[Rafe34]

firebreather19 wrote...

Pick up a strategy guide sometime, eh? 

Just a few:

Save the base-->

-readiness below 1750, Earth dead no matter the choice
-1750, earth destroyed if you choose destroy
-2050, become a reaper and you can save earth
-2350, destroy the Reapers and earth is devestated but still there
-2650, destroy the reapers, earth is saved
etc. etc. etc.

destroy the base-->

-readiness below 1750, earth dead no matter the choice (same, granted)
-1750, earth destroyed if you become a reaper (clearly weighing on your decision to save or destroy the base--control/destroy options)
-1900 destroy the Reapers, earth is devestated but still there
...and it goes on and on then taking into account Anderson living or dying and then Synthesis and then Shepard living.

Are you ****ing serious? Are you really ****ing saying these are different endings? My god. 

There are six, possibly seven- I hadn't heard of the Blue ending being able to destroy earth before- endings. Yes, they require different EMS to achieve, but there are only 6/7 total endings. Simply because I need higher/lower EMS depending on whether or not I saved the base does not make it a different endings. And it's really 3 endings with 2 variants for the first two. That's not really a different ending because we don't get to really see what happens. It's a 3-second part of a standard cutscene they use for all endings, whether nothing gets vaporized, whether just the buildings get vaporized, or whether everything gets vaporized.

This is not to mention why on earth the EARTH/buildings get vaporized by a wave that was supposed to control/destroy the Reapers, and yet you pro-enders INSIST this same wave doesn't destroy the fleets.

It doesn't take into account whether Anderson lived or died because he DIES REGARDLESS. Just because I shot him in the stomach and he bled out, OR TIM shot him in the head does not change the ENDING one bit, simply the EMS required to unlock said ending. Anderson does not live in any ending, so saying they are different based on WHEN he died is a bunch of crock.

[curufinwe03]

BWGungan wrote...

curufinwe03 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Turtlicious wrote...

Sidney wrote...

So much wrong here.

Not all explosions are the same. An EMP pulse is a discharge and it is definately different than the shockwave from a conventional bomb. One blows up my ipod the other blows up me. The pulse that stops the REapers is, in most endings, clearly shown to not be destructive unless you get the earth burns ending. In my ending the wave takes out the reapers and you see people cheering as it passes over them.

Yes but when an EMP goes off you can't see it, and if it's too strong you catch cancer.

These explosions were big enough to see on a GALAXY MAP, they were obviously irradiated because where did the color come from? If you didn't kill everyone from the super nova, you just flooded them with radiation until they died.

Let's assume for a moment we see an EMP.  An EMP is no better than a destructive atomic-level blast as seen in Arrival.  An EMP that big that we can see from the galaxy map would be massive enough to strip off the planetary magnetic fields.  Anything left alive will die a horrific death from radiation sickness, and the planet will become unsustainable for future life due to having no magnetic field.

I guess the planetary magnetic fields would be stabel again in the future,but in the meentime people and ecosystems would die. At least some bakteria could survive...
Anyway an (red?) EMP would certainly destroy the fleet in the Sol system and other vessel or station near a relay.

What I want to know is how the hell the destroy beam can differentiate between synthetic life, and technology in general.

Tell me about it. And organic DNA gets mixed up with ...synthetic DNA?! Since when became Mass Effect Star Wars? This whole space magic drives me mad.

[BWGungan]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

curufinwe03 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Turtlicious wrote...

Sidney wrote...

So much wrong here.

Not all explosions are the same. An EMP pulse is a discharge and it is definately different than the shockwave from a conventional bomb. One blows up my ipod the other blows up me. The pulse that stops the REapers is, in most endings, clearly shown to not be destructive unless you get the earth burns ending. In my ending the wave takes out the reapers and you see people cheering as it passes over them.

Yes but when an EMP goes off you can't see it, and if it's too strong you catch cancer.

These explosions were big enough to see on a GALAXY MAP, they were obviously irradiated because where did the color come from? If you didn't kill everyone from the super nova, you just flooded them with radiation until they died.

Let's assume for a moment we see an EMP.  An EMP is no better than a destructive atomic-level blast as seen in Arrival.  An EMP that big that we can see from the galaxy map would be massive enough to strip off the planetary magnetic fields.  Anything left alive will die a horrific death from radiation sickness, and the planet will become unsustainable for future life due to having no magnetic field.

I guess the planetary magnetic fields would be stabel again in the future,but in the meentime people and ecosystems would die. At least some bakteria could survive...
Anyway an (red?) EMP would certainly destroy the fleet in the Sol system and other vessel or station near a relay.

What I want to know is how the hell the destroy beam can differentiate between synthetic life, and technology in general.

How did the synthesis machine turn everyone in the galaxy to cyborgs, or the control machine allow one man to control every reaper, who all have the ability to dominate hundreds of minds at once.  It's a badly thought out ending.

And what is preventing the new cyborgs from just buildling straight up synthetics again?  Inanimate minerals don't have DNA.  How does the Crucible determine what is synthetic life in order to merge/destroy it without affecting all technology?

[shepskisaac]

CaptainIngenuity wrote...

I don't  think anyone is arguing that they brought kids with them.. 

No. Some people here are arguing that they literally dragged the entire Quarian population to Earth, up to the last single quarian baby lol

[BuckHammer]

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

[kidbd15]

Rolando93 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

A rather common tactic among.. certain people.

Inferring is a rather common tactic. In fact if you jump in the air you will then fall down. You can then infer that there is some sort of force causing you to come back down. Just because something is not written out in front of you does not mean that it is illogical.

But you infer from facts.  You jump in the air, you will come back down. That is fact.  The facts we are presented with in Mass Effect is that if a relay is destroyed, it will destroy the system it is in.  We infer from that fact that the sol system is destroyed.  You see?

[Rolando93]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy.  Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.

Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.

[Reptilian Rob]

Meh, the cycle was ruined. 

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 01 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[Vhalkyrie]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

What I want to know is how the hell the destroy beam can differentiate between synthetic life, and technology in general.

How did the synthesis machine turn everyone in the galaxy to cyborgs, or the control machine allow one man to control every reaper, who all have the ability to dominate hundreds of minds at once.  It's a badly thought out ending.

Multicolored EMPs 

Presumably a green EMP installs hard drives and CPUs in tree and Joker's hat.

[Rolando93]

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

A rather common tactic among.. certain people.

Inferring is a rather common tactic. In fact if you jump in the air you will then fall down. You can then infer that there is some sort of force causing you to come back down. Just because something is not written out in front of you does not mean that it is illogical.

But you infer from facts.  You jump in the air, you will come back down. That is fact.  The facts we are presented with in Mass Effect is that if a relay is destroyed, it will destroy the system it is in.  We infer from that fact that the sol system is destroyed.  You see?

Except the Sol system wasn't destroyed. So you infered falsely.

[Leozilla]

IsaacShep wrote...

CaptainIngenuity wrote...

I don't  think anyone is arguing that they brought kids with them.. 

No. Some people here are arguing that they literally dragged the entire Quarian population to Earth, up to the last single quarian baby lol

it's very possible that they did, I doubt it but after living in ships for 300 years it is not farfetched

[ZiegenkonigIII]

kidbd15 wrote...

Still, the worst thing about this is that Shepard takes the Starchild's word about what is going to happen with each ending... he places trust is something he has never met: the Reaper boss. If Harbinger was talking to him instead of the kid giving him these choices, would Shepard believe Harbinger?

My Shep wouldn't. Maybe that was the point though, to introduce a the Reaper boss as a child so our Shep would believe it..? And we're supposed to assume everything is okay because Joker nonsensically lands on a conveniently placed jungle planet... even though we were told in Arrival that the destruction of a relay would destroy the system it is in... sighhhhhh

Exactly.  My shepard and I am pretty sure everyone else's wouldn't accept those ridiculous choices.  He is condemning the galaxy to a god-knows-how-long dark age, with the possibility of mass murder on a galactic scale.  Just because it came from the mouth of a holographic kid doesn't mean shepard would automatically trust it.

On another note, if at PAX they offer an ending explaining how the Mass relays didn't harm anyone, and that everyone got home safe and sound; it better be a damn good explanation.  Loved Bioware since KOTOR, it was my first rpg.  I'll leave if they try to pul a fast one though.

[Adsinjapan]

[quote]pistolols wrote...

[quote]The Angry One wrote...

[quote]pistolols wrote...

the way i see it, casey hudson made it very clear he was sorry he hurt your feelings and that he knows his most passionate fans needed more time to say goodbye to their video game characters...so not really sure what you're still crying about.  They made a statement about this.  They know how you feel.  So what is this thread possibly accomplishing other than beating a dead horse?[/quote]

Possibly because BioWare have been vague and condescending about the whole issue, and I feel the need to express my thoughts now and then.

[/quote]

They know how you feel.  They know how retake movement feels.  This is essentially spam at this point.[/quote]

The one thing forum poster know what to do when it comes to spam is not to respond to it. If that were the case, there wouldn't be 24 pages of agreements and opinions to the one subject.

Sure glad you're able to read minds. Maybe you could fill us in on DLC details.

[/quote]

[BWGungan]

IsaacShep wrote...

CaptainIngenuity wrote...

I don't  think anyone is arguing that they brought kids with them.. 

No. Some people here are arguing that they literally dragged the entire Quarian population to Earth, up to the last single quarian baby lol

Quarian babies, as far as I'm aware from in game info, need to live in bubbles until they can put on a suit...  those incubation facilities are only available on their SHIPS.   Exactly when did they have the time to build sterile hospitals/residences on Rannoch with incubation faciilities (or even extract them in some sort of modular fashion) and transfer all those bubble children to the planet?

Modifié par BWGungan, 01 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[Ariaya]

I also agree with the OP on this one.

I care about the current galaxy and the people I know and love. I wasn't fighting for some distant, abstract hard-to-imagine future. I think that the people around Shepard and the larger forces that she gathers are also fighting this fight for the here and now. The future is important, of course, but it's not what I'm emotionally invested in--especially when it is so uncertain and remote.

If Starchild is the top of both the metaphysical and intergalactic hierarchy then, honestly, all hope IS lost. I don't consider myself a pessimist for thinking this way. It is what it is. I have big problems with a god-like AI who views horrific genocide as the "solution" to organic/ synthetic conflicts. It leaves very little for us to work with physically, spiritually, and philosophically.

It's not a future I would ever want to be a part of. For me, this is why I find the current endings (if taken literally) so completely bleak.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

The point of the game was the save the galaxy from the reapers, not stopping the reapers by any means possible which ends with the entire galaxy being destroyed.

[Shaigunjoe]

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

[shepskisaac]

Leozilla wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

CaptainIngenuity wrote...

I don't  think anyone is arguing that they brought kids with them.. 

No. Some people here are arguing that they literally dragged the entire Quarian population to Earth, up to the last single quarian baby lol

it's very possible that they did, I doubt it but after living in ships for 300 years it is not farfetched

Yeah right, especially after they just retook the planet they were willing to go to war for. Makes sense. Next thing I will hear in this thread will be that all Krogans, Turians and Asari are also on Earth.

[Rafe34]

BWGungan wrote...

Uh, Anderson always dies... in every ending. Some endings just have him live long enough to have the convo with Shepard, while in the worst ones TIM just kills him straight up.

Exactly. But IGN and their ilk have the absolute gall to try to say those are "different" endings.

[DJBare]

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

What?, stop the Reapers?, no one missed that point, not a single person here could miss that point, the problem folk are having is the "method" used, but I'm not going to waste my time restating it because it's been said so much that even I as a retake follower is getting fed up of seeing it.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

And if that cost is the destruction of the universe would you go through with it? Because that's what happens the Mass Effect universe has change irrevocalby because of what you did.