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[shepskisaac]

BWGungan wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

CaptainIngenuity wrote...

I don't  think anyone is arguing that they brought kids with them.. 

No. Some people here are arguing that they literally dragged the entire Quarian population to Earth, up to the last single quarian baby lol

Quarian babies, as far as I'm aware, need to live in bubbles until they can put on a suit...  those incubation facilities are only available on their SHIPS.   Exactly when did they have the time to build hospitals on Rannoch and transfer all those bubble children to the planet?

After you finish the Quarian/Geth arc, Tali says that they're already constructing on Rannoch with Geth help.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 01 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[Rolando93]

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

Why bother with noteworthy on someone who is going to respond with their own opinion and treat it as fact? Lol its been stated over the past several pages that you've been using your opinion to reject cause "No they wouldnt do it that way? cause....cause....cause....".

Oh Im sorry. Are you under the impression that we are taking about real life? There are only small ounces of fact in this. It is a video-game. But let me ask you. How many times did I make a statement and how many times did I pose a question?

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy.  Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.

Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.

It has been explained before, that that was the initial wave from the citadel, the wave that carried out the space-magic.  The view of it sweeping earth was before the Sol relay actually blew up.  The explosion most certainly would have killed everyone.

Furthermore, I recall someone mentioning that in a bad destroy ending, the initial wave actually did release a destructive wave onto earth, wiping out not just synthetics but everything.  This would be destructive potential, and even the wave in the good ending would probably have some side effects.

[Dridengx]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

In another thread she claimed story was her purpose but it seems she didn't want Bioware's story, she wanted her own. Seems like she wanted to be in this universe, make friends and such like an MMO and not do the main storyline lol

[Shaigunjoe]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

And if that cost is the destruction of the universe would you go through with it? Because that's what happens the Mass Effect universe has change irrevocalby because of what you did.

Now you are getting it.

[kidbd15]

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy.  Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.

Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.

And because of the fact we are given from Arrival, this contradicts that fact.  That is why there needs to be more explanation.  Why on one occasion it will destroy a system, but NOT in another instance.  Yes we can SPECULATE what happens, but I don't think we can infer, because there are two contradictory "facts" that result from the same occurance, which is the destruction of a Mass Relay.  Speculation let's us say that perhaps it was a different type of explosion, but even then, should be explained.  Mass Effect has always explained everything about its universe. This should be no different.

This one likes logic.

[Vhalkyrie]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

On another note, if at PAX they offer an ending explaining how the Mass relays didn't harm anyone, and that everyone got home safe and sound; it better be a damn good explanation.  Loved Bioware since KOTOR, it was my first rpg.  I'll leave if they try to pul a fast one though.

Agreed.

[Brian Lewis]

@Rolando93: I just don't see how anyone who was not on a self-sufficient colony a fair distance from a system with a mass relay could survive. The Sol system doens't have the resouces to sustain the fleet, they don't have the fuel to go home, at least 2 squadmates will starve to death on the planet the Normandy crashed on unless the life on that world are both levo and dextro protien lifeforms.

The only time you see the energy contained in a mass relay being released before the ending, it took the solar system it was in with it. I am given no reason to believe this time the same thing won't happen. Unless the Starchild hit the off button before the crucible fired, it looks as though you did more damage than the Reapers would have.

[Quietness]

IsaacShep wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

CaptainIngenuity wrote...

I don't  think anyone is arguing that they brought kids with them.. 

No. Some people here are arguing that they literally dragged the entire Quarian population to Earth, up to the last single quarian baby lol

Quarian babies, as far as I'm aware, need to live in bubbles until they can put on a suit...  those incubation facilities are only available on their SHIPS.   Exactly when did they have the time to build hospitals on Rannoch and transfer all those bubble children to the planet?

After you finish the Quarian/Geth arc, Tali says that they're already constructing on Rannoch with Geth help.

Construction takes time, they arent given a lot of it. 

[BWGungan]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

Uh no, it was not at any cost in the first 2 games.  In fact, if it were at any cost, we'd all be part of Cerberus high-fiving TIM right now.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

And if that cost is the destruction of the universe would you go through with it? Because that's what happens the Mass Effect universe has change irrevocalby because of what you did.

Now you are getting it.

And by change I mean it is gone. The mass effect universe is gone. We all know what happens when a Mass Relay explodes. Imagine what the galaxy will look like after EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM GOES OFF AT THE SAME TIME! The milky way is now devoid of all life.

[kidbd15]

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

A rather common tactic among.. certain people.

Inferring is a rather common tactic. In fact if you jump in the air you will then fall down. You can then infer that there is some sort of force causing you to come back down. Just because something is not written out in front of you does not mean that it is illogical.

But you infer from facts.  You jump in the air, you will come back down. That is fact.  The facts we are presented with in Mass Effect is that if a relay is destroyed, it will destroy the system it is in.  We infer from that fact that the sol system is destroyed.  You see?

Except the Sol system wasn't destroyed. So you infered falsely.

Did you even read my post?  The facts presented in ME in ARRIVAL is that when you destroy a relay, you destroy the system it is in. Thus, from those facts, we infer that the sol system should be destroyed.  Is it? Who knows, we don't know.  That initial wave was from the Citadel, but the Sol system may have been destroyed once the relay blew up.

[BWGungan]

IsaacShep wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

CaptainIngenuity wrote...

I don't  think anyone is arguing that they brought kids with them.. 

No. Some people here are arguing that they literally dragged the entire Quarian population to Earth, up to the last single quarian baby lol

Quarian babies, as far as I'm aware, need to live in bubbles until they can put on a suit...  those incubation facilities are only available on their SHIPS.   Exactly when did they have the time to build hospitals on Rannoch and transfer all those bubble children to the planet?

After you finish the Quarian/Geth arc, Tali says that they're already constructing on Rannoch with Geth help.

Sure, if you saved them both they started construction.  Doesn't mean they finished anything yet since they went straight off to war with Shepard.

Modifié par BWGungan, 01 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Ticonderoga117]

I'm not sure if I'd go as full bore as the OP does.
Sheps main goal throught all three games is "Stop the Reapers, save the galaxy."
However, I will say that they are right about what we really care about.

To hell with the idea someone in the future cares about my Shep because I haven't spent 3 games with them. I want to know what happens to MY squad and LI. To hell with that little scene with creepy guy and his grandson (Seriously, "My sweet" makes me cringe. No offense Buzz Aldrin, you're still awesome). To abruptly end our experience with our squaddies like that is insulting to us, the writers, and the voice actors that made us love those characters.

[rhevakeane]

Hmm, I agree with you OP. Stopping the Reapers was the driving force behind the whole narrative, but what Shepard was fighting for was always a greater motivator. I don't necessarily fault Bioware for wanting to show that the cycle was broken, but I do find the lack of resolution, or the least, consideration, for the exquisitely-crafted characters that we have all grown to love very depressing.

[lothvamp]

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

ditto

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Dridengx wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

In another thread she claimed story was her purpose but it seems she didn't want Bioware's story, she wanted her own. Seems like she wanted to be in this universe, make friends and such like an MMO and not do the main storyline lol

The issue is that Bioware decided to throw the ending at us without seemingly polishing it at all.  OP is saying that she loved ME for the story, and about 75% of this story is represented in your crew members.  I could go through your post history and pull up all kinds of dirty posts you have made drigend.

But you know I love you to much to do that.

[shepskisaac]

Quietness wrote...

Construction takes time, they arent given a lot of it.

OK then. Every single Quarian goes to Earth then. They will all die. Happy? Seriously, people are just now looking for reason to have all Quarians on Earth just to add it to "this is why endings suck!" list even though it makes no sense and the list is already long and rich enough that we don't need additional Quarian excinction to get our point across.

[CaptainIngenuity]

[quote]Shaigunjoe wrote...

[quote]Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Edit: SNIPP

[/quote]And if that cost is the destruction of the universe would you go through with it? Because that's what happens the Mass Effect universe has change irrevocalby because of what you did.
[/quote]

Now you are getting it.

[/quote]

It isnt that people didnt get the ending they wanted or werent concerned about the future and the reapers but that none of the current conjecture from EVERY side in this thread isnt shown, hinted at or even talked about.  We wouldn't even know the timeframe for the stargazer and creepy old buzz aldrin unless you data mined the directors notes in the freaking file.  

You dont conclude a trilogy by posing more questions than you began with.

[Quietness]

Rolando93 wrote...

Oh Im sorry. Are you under the impression that we are taking about real life? There are only small ounces of fact in this. It is a video-game. But let me ask you. How many times did I make a statement and how many times did I pose a question?

im just blown away by you sir lol.  As for the answer to one of your many questions is i didn't keep track. You posted a lot of facetious questions to try and get a reaction, i tend to drone that out now. Small ounces of fact? Is this your first time playing the game? Have you even read any of the codex information? 

[Rafe34]

Dridengx wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

In another thread she claimed story was her purpose but it seems she didn't want Bioware's story, she wanted her own. Seems like she wanted to be in this universe, make friends and such like an MMO and not do the main storyline lol

Le gasp!

She wanted her own story? Like the one Bioware promised us?

How DARE she!

...

The DEFINITION of a ROLE-PLAYING GAME is that it is partly YOUR story. That's what draws people into it. That's why Dragon Age 2 was received so poorly, because it was simply Bioware telling us THEIR story. And taking choice out of the player's hands at the most crucial moment in the trilogy's arc is bull****. 

The OP doesn't want to break the cycle FOR THE SAKE OF FUTURE NAMELESS INHABITANTS OF THE GALAXY!
She wants to break it because of the people she's fought with for the past 100 hours of gaming. Thus, she wants to know what happened to said people. She did want to end the cycle, just not for the Yahg, or the up and coming races. She wanted to do it for Liara, Garrus, Mordin, Thane, Legion, Tali, the quarians, the asari, the turians, the krogan, etc, and so she wants to know, and deserves to know, what happens to said people.

(I don't think I put words in your mouth there, Angry One, I'm 95% sure that was your point.)

[Rolando93]

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy.  Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.

Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.

And because of the fact we are given from Arrival, this contradicts that fact.  That is why there needs to be more explanation.  Why on one occasion it will destroy a system, but NOT in another instance.  Yes we can SPECULATE what happens, but I don't think we can infer, because there are two contradictory "facts" that result from the same occurance, which is the destruction of a Mass Relay.  Speculation let's us say that perhaps it was a different type of explosion, but even then, should be explained.  Mass Effect has always explained everything about its universe. This should be no different.

This one likes logic.

No. If one explosion causes the destruction of a system while another doesn't then you can infer that they are two different explosions. The Catalyst stated that releasing the energy of the Crucible would destroy the relays. But that could happen a number of ways. Perhaps the relays were overburdened and fell apart under stress which might cause a different reaction than hitting one with an asteroid. Also, just because a beam shoots into a relay and a flash of energy comes out of it doesnt mean the relay exploded like a bomb. It could mean that, but judging from what I saw in the game I , yes I infer that that was not the case.

[Shaigunjoe]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

And if that cost is the destruction of the universe would you go through with it? Because that's what happens the Mass Effect universe has change irrevocalby because of what you did.

Now you are getting it.

And by change I mean it is gone. The mass effect universe is gone. We all know what happens when a Mass Relay explodes. Imagine what the galaxy will look like after EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM GOES OFF AT THE SAME TIME! The milky way is now devoid of all life.

We know what happens when a mass relay gets destroyed by an asteroid.  We have no idea what happens when it gets destroyed by citadel pulse.

[Leozilla]

IsaacShep wrote...

Leozilla wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

CaptainIngenuity wrote...

I don't  think anyone is arguing that they brought kids with them.. 

No. Some people here are arguing that they literally dragged the entire Quarian population to Earth, up to the last single quarian baby lol

it's very possible that they did, I doubt it but after living in ships for 300 years it is not farfetched

Yeah right, especially after they just retook the planet they were willing to go to war for. Makes sense. Next thing I will hear in this thread will be that all Krogans, Turians and Asari are also on Earth.

have you not seen my other posts, I believe they did leave people on Rannoch, but it is extremely possible they didn't

[Quietness]

IsaacShep wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Construction takes time, they arent given a lot of it.

OK then. Every single Quarian goes to Earth then. They will all die. Happy? Seriously, people are just now looking for reason to have all Quarians on Earth just to add it to "this is why endings suck!" list even though it makes no sense and the list is already long and rich enough that we don't need additional Quarian excinction to get our point across.

You know what i'd rather have enough magical buildings suddenly spring up over night and them to dance through the woods. However we are talking within the information we are provided. Unfortunately that was not a lot of time, sure they may have gotten up maybe one or maybe two if they were really fast, but was it enough to maintain and rebuild a population base? dunno (lots of speculation for everyone)