It was a different kind of explosion, *space magic*kidbd15 wrote...
Did you even read my post? The facts presented in ME in ARRIVAL is that when you destroy a relay, you destroy the system it is in. Thus, from those facts, we infer that the sol system should be destroyed. Is it? Who knows, we don't know. That initial wave was from the Citadel, but the Sol system may have been destroyed once the relay blew up.
Rolando93 wrote...
kidbd15 wrote...
Rolando93 wrote...
ZiegenkonigIII wrote...
Rolando93 wrote...
Quietness wrote...
Rolando93 wrote...
Brian Lewis wrote...
I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.
Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.
Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.
And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?
They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy. Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.
Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.
And because of the fact we are given from Arrival, this contradicts that fact. That is why there needs to be more explanation. Why on one occasion it will destroy a system, but NOT in another instance. Yes we can SPECULATE what happens, but I don't think we can infer, because there are two contradictory "facts" that result from the same occurance, which is the destruction of a Mass Relay. Speculation let's us say that perhaps it was a different type of explosion, but even then, should be explained. Mass Effect has always explained everything about its universe. This should be no different.
This one likes logic.
No. If one explosion causes the destruction of a system while another doesn't then you can infer that they are two different explosions. The Catalyst stated that releasing the energy of the Crucible would destroy the relays. But that could happen a number of ways. Perhaps the relays were overburdened and fell apart under stress which might cause a different reaction than hitting one with an asteroid. Also, just because a beam shoots into a relay and a flash of energy comes out of it doesnt mean the relay exploded like a bomb. It could mean that, but judging from what I saw in the game I , yes I infer that that was not the case.
Rolando93 wrote...
kidbd15 wrote...
But you infer from facts. You jump in the air, you will come back down. That is fact. The facts we are presented with in Mass Effect is that if a relay is destroyed, it will destroy the system it is in. We infer from that fact that the sol system is destroyed. You see?
Except the Sol system wasn't destroyed. So you infered falsely.
IsaacShep wrote...
OK then. Every single Quarian goes to Earth then. They will all die. Happy? Seriously, people are just now looking for reason to have all Quarians on Earth just to add it to "this is why endings suck!" list even though it makes no sense and the list is already long and rich enough that we don't need additional Quarian excinction to get our point across.Quietness wrote...
Construction takes time, they arent given a lot of it.
Modifié par BWGungan, 01 avril 2012 - 06:24 .
BWGungan wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
After you finish the Quarian/Geth arc, Tali says that they're already constructing on Rannoch with Geth help.BWGungan wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
No. Some people here are arguing that they literally dragged the entire Quarian population to Earth, up to the last single quarian baby lolCaptainIngenuity wrote...
I don't think anyone is arguing that they brought kids with them..
Quarian babies, as far as I'm aware, need to live in bubbles until they can put on a suit... those incubation facilities are only available on their SHIPS. Exactly when did they have the time to build hospitals on Rannoch and transfer all those bubble children to the planet?
Sure, if you saved them both they started construction. Doesn't mean they finished anything yet.
Dridengx wrote...
Shaigunjoe wrote...
BuckHammer wrote...
I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.
Heck, you can get that from the subject. From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost. If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing. Witty dialogue?
In another thread she claimed story was her purpose but it seems she didn't want Bioware's story, she wanted her own. Seems like she wanted to be in this universe, make friends and such like an MMO and not do the main storyline lol
HenchxNarf wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Good because you pro-ending idiots aren't needed anyway.
And we're the bad ones.
Look in the mirror and then re-evaluate that statement.
From my view you're as bad as each other.
You're actually worse than all of us combined, but who's comparing? You're a self-admitted flamebaiter. At least most pro-ending people don't resort to childish namecalling.
Quietness wrote...
Rolando93 wrote...
Oh Im sorry. Are you under the impression that we are taking about real life? There are only small ounces of fact in this. It is a video-game. But let me ask you. How many times did I make a statement and how many times did I pose a question?
im just blown away by you sir lol. As for the answer to one of your many questions is i didn't keep track. You posted a lot of facetious questions to try and get a reaction, i tend to drone that out now. Small ounces of fact? Is this your first time playing the game? Have you even read any of the codex information?
IsaacShep wrote...
Yeah right, especially after they just retook the planet they were willing to go to war for. Makes sense. Next thing I will hear in this thread will be that all Krogans, Turians and Asari are also on Earth.Leozilla wrote...
it's very possible that they did, I doubt it but after living in ships for 300 years it is not farfetchedIsaacShep wrote...
No. Some people here are arguing that they literally dragged the entire Quarian population to Earth, up to the last single quarian baby lolCaptainIngenuity wrote...
I don't think anyone is arguing that they brought kids with them..
Well if Bioware cared to tell us this in a conclusion title card then I would agree with you however they didn't so all we can base this on is from the in game codex written by biowareShaigunjoe wrote...
Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...
And by change I mean it is gone. The mass effect universe is gone. We all know what happens when a Mass Relay explodes. Imagine what the galaxy will look like after EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM GOES OFF AT THE SAME TIME! The milky way is now devoid of all life.Shaigunjoe wrote...
Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...
And if that cost is the destruction of the universe would you go through with it? Because that's what happens the Mass Effect universe has change irrevocalby because of what you did.Shaigunjoe wrote...
BuckHammer wrote...
I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.
Heck, you can get that from the subject. From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost. If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing. Witty dialogue?
Now you are getting it.
We know what happens when a mass relay gets destroyed by an asteroid. We have no idea what happens when it gets destroyed by citadel pulse.
Blasphemy!, you just applied logic to a galaxy that's based on space magic.BWGungan wrote...
Ok listen. It is pretty clear that some Quarians stayed behind on Rannoch to being reconstruction. We don't know how many though, and you seem to be under the impression that some is enough to guarantee survival without the relays.
The biggest factor with this situation is that without sufficient genetic diversity, it won't matter that there are survivors on Rannoch. If you don't have a big enough gene pool, your kids are not going to have the appropriate number of fingers and toes, and genetic deterioration will just cause its own horrific extinction.
Trikormadenadon wrote...
Really? It's been my experience on BSN so far that the pro-enders are the ones who fling names more often, and usually the first to do so also. But that's just my experience and I may have missed something.
BWGungan wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
OK then. Every single Quarian goes to Earth then. They will all die. Happy? Seriously, people are just now looking for reason to have all Quarians on Earth just to add it to "this is why endings suck!" list even though it makes no sense and the list is already long and rich enough that we don't need additional Quarian excinction to get our point across.Quietness wrote...
Construction takes time, they arent given a lot of it.
Ok listen. It is pretty clear that some Quarians stayed behind on Rannoch to being reconstruction. We don't know how many though, and you seem to be under the impression that some is enough to guarantee survival without the relays.
The biggest factor with this situation is that without sufficient genetic diversity, it won't matter that there are survivors on Rannoch. If you don't have a big enough gene pool, your kids are not going to have the appropriate number of fingers and toes, and genetic deterioration will just cause its own horrific extinction.
Just 1000 Quarians would be more than enough to rebuild population. I'm sure they didn;t have problems leaving 1000 Quarians out of 17 freaking million.BWGungan wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
OK then. Every single Quarian goes to Earth then. They will all die. Happy? Seriously, people are just now looking for reason to have all Quarians on Earth just to add it to "this is why endings suck!" list even though it makes no sense and the list is already long and rich enough that we don't need additional Quarian excinction to get our point across.Quietness wrote...
Construction takes time, they arent given a lot of it.
Ok listen. It is pretty clear that some Quarians stayed behind on Rannoch to being reconstruction. We don't know how many though, and you seem to be under the impression that some is enough to guarantee survival without the relays.
The biggest factor with this situation is that without sufficient genetic diversity, it won't matter that there are survivors on Rannoch. If you don't have a big enough gene pool, your kids are not going to have the appropriate number of fingers and toes, and genetic deterioration will just cause its own horrific extinction.
cachx wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
Yeah right, especially after they just retook the planet they were willing to go to war for. Makes sense. Next thing I will hear in this thread will be that all Krogans, Turians and Asari are also on Earth.Leozilla wrote...
it's very possible that they did, I doubt it but after living in ships for 300 years it is not farfetchedIsaacShep wrote...
No. Some people here are arguing that they literally dragged the entire Quarian population to Earth, up to the last single quarian baby lolCaptainIngenuity wrote...
I don't think anyone is arguing that they brought kids with them..
I have read people that actually DO seem to think that.
That and the (wrong) notion that all planets get vaporized by the relay waves are common misconceptions of people that hate the endings.
Nathan_41 wrote...
Rolando93 wrote...
kidbd15 wrote...
But you infer from facts. You jump in the air, you will come back down. That is fact. The facts we are presented with in Mass Effect is that if a relay is destroyed, it will destroy the system it is in. We infer from that fact that the sol system is destroyed. You see?
Except the Sol system wasn't destroyed. So you infered falsely.
You think that it didn't happen because we don't have footage from the explosion of the Charon Relay to the fading of the explosive/electro-magnetic energy, but what we know from canonical information regarding the destruction of a Mass Relay dictates that the Sol System should be destroyed. We just don't see it on screen. By your logic, the only people who die during the Reaper War are the ones that do so on screen.
Rolando93 wrote...
kidbd15 wrote...
Rolando93 wrote...
ZiegenkonigIII wrote...
Rolando93 wrote...
Quietness wrote...
Rolando93 wrote...
Brian Lewis wrote...
I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.
Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.
Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.
And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?
They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy. Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.
Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.
And because of the fact we are given from Arrival, this contradicts that fact. That is why there needs to be more explanation. Why on one occasion it will destroy a system, but NOT in another instance. Yes we can SPECULATE what happens, but I don't think we can infer, because there are two contradictory "facts" that result from the same occurance, which is the destruction of a Mass Relay. Speculation let's us say that perhaps it was a different type of explosion, but even then, should be explained. Mass Effect has always explained everything about its universe. This should be no different.
This one likes logic.
No. If one explosion causes the destruction of a system while another doesn't then you can infer that they are two different explosions. The Catalyst stated that releasing the energy of the Crucible would destroy the relays. But that could happen a number of ways. Perhaps the relays were overburdened and fell apart under stress which might cause a different reaction than hitting one with an asteroid. Also, just because a beam shoots into a relay and a flash of energy comes out of it doesnt mean the relay exploded like a bomb. It could mean that, but judging from what I saw in the game I , yes I infer that that was not the case.
Modifié par xsdob, 01 avril 2012 - 06:26 .
Except every single quarian we do care about was around earth.xsdob wrote...
Two points were brought up here that are not fairly accurate. first, rannoch is very habitable, in factit is prestine. the get have been maintaining all the structures and agriculture since the morning war, so there is already an abundance of food and probably drinkable water as well. also the geth have already begun aiding the quarians in adapting to the planets atmosphere so that they can better survive.
second, all quarians are not at earth l, a number have stayed behind to help settle on rannoch with the geths help, those are the ones getting help from downloading geth in their suits.
And when the Reapers turn up to investigate the downed reaper and missing Geth?IsaacShep wrote...Just 1000 Quarians would be more than enough to rebuild population. I'm sure they didn;t have problems leaving 1000 Quarians out of 17 freaking million.
Rolando93 wrote...
Quietness wrote...
Rolando93 wrote...
Oh Im sorry. Are you under the impression that we are taking about real life? There are only small ounces of fact in this. It is a video-game. But let me ask you. How many times did I make a statement and how many times did I pose a question?
im just blown away by you sir lol. As for the answer to one of your many questions is i didn't keep track. You posted a lot of facetious questions to try and get a reaction, i tend to drone that out now. Small ounces of fact? Is this your first time playing the game? Have you even read any of the codex information?
My point was that I never stated "This is what happened." I gave my opinion as to what might happen. But i never said it was fact. And I have read the codex yet I don't believe there is such a thing as element zero--an element around which most of the game's science is based.
Rolando93 wrote...
Nathan_41 wrote...
Rolando93 wrote...
kidbd15 wrote...
But you infer from facts. You jump in the air, you will come back down. That is fact. The facts we are presented with in Mass Effect is that if a relay is destroyed, it will destroy the system it is in. We infer from that fact that the sol system is destroyed. You see?
Except the Sol system wasn't destroyed. So you infered falsely.
You think that it didn't happen because we don't have footage from the explosion of the Charon Relay to the fading of the explosive/electro-magnetic energy, but what we know from canonical information regarding the destruction of a Mass Relay dictates that the Sol System should be destroyed. We just don't see it on screen. By your logic, the only people who die during the Reaper War are the ones that do so on screen.
Am I wrong or is the first "explosion's" epicenter the Citadel? Doesn't that explosion pass over marine troops on the ground without harming them. I do believe people died off screen but I do not believe that those who seem to be still alive died at all.
Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...
Well if Bioware cared to tell us this in a conclusion title card then I would agree with you however they didn't so all we can base this on is from the in game codex written by biowareShaigunjoe wrote...
Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...
And by change I mean it is gone. The mass effect universe is gone. We all know what happens when a Mass Relay explodes. Imagine what the galaxy will look like after EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM GOES OFF AT THE SAME TIME! The milky way is now devoid of all life.Shaigunjoe wrote...
Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...
And if that cost is the destruction of the universe would you go through with it? Because that's what happens the Mass Effect universe has change irrevocalby because of what you did.Shaigunjoe wrote...
BuckHammer wrote...
I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.
Heck, you can get that from the subject. From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost. If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing. Witty dialogue?
Now you are getting it.
We know what happens when a mass relay gets destroyed by an asteroid. We have no idea what happens when it gets destroyed by citadel pulse.
Mass relays are believed to be indestructible by galactic society, but
no known attempts have been made to actually damage or destroy a relay
because they are the only means of long distance space travel and thus
too vital to risk. Prior to the events of Arrival, however, Dr. Amanda Kenson
and her research team calculated that if a large enough mass impacts a
relay with enough force, the relay should not be able to withstand it.
The consequences of destroying a mass relay are immense: as a huge mass
effect engine manipulating massive quantities of energy, a relay could
produce an explosion of supernova proportions. This proves true when
during Arrival, a large asteroid is purposely steered into the Bahak system's Alpha Relay.
The resulting impact tears apart the relay, causing an explosion which
annihilates the Bahak system and kills its more than 300,000
inhabitants.
I see no asterik concerning destruction by Citadel pulse do you?
Trikormadenadon wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Good because you pro-ending idiots aren't needed anyway.
And we're the bad ones.
Look in the mirror and then re-evaluate that statement.
From my view you're as bad as each other.
You're actually worse than all of us combined, but who's comparing? You're a self-admitted flamebaiter. At least most pro-ending people don't resort to childish namecalling.
Really? It's been my experience on BSN so far that the pro-enders are the ones who fling names more often, and usually the first to do so also. But that's just my experience and I may have missed something.
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