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[tobiasks]

Well put, I agree with you.

[Isichar]

xsdob wrote...

sometimes I wonder why I even come here anymore. OP's thread is sad, it ignores the goal of stopping the reapers and selfishly focuses on just shepard living and not on the future controlled by a genocidal machine race. The fact that so many other people agree is even worse, it tells of a group of fans who claim to be mature on one side but resort to tantrum throwing that everything didn't end well for us, but might end well for the future, which should be the focus of winning a war.


You know what, screw this, any thread I see the angry one in, I'm just gonna turn around and ignore that thread even exist anymore.

are you mad bro?

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Indeed. I didn't play ME because I cared about the people 50,000 years from now. I didn't even play it because I wanted to "Take back Earth". I did it because I cared about Tali and Garrus and Liara and Wrex and all the rest of them. And stranding them away from home forever is no a victory, no matter what Stargazer says.

[EnerPrime]

YES! How can Bioware and the pro-enders not get this!

We wanted to save the galaxy we know and love. It's all about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, Salarians, Hanar, Drell, Krogan and the humans of the Systems Alliance. That's what we were fighting for!

Stopping the reapers is not our goal, saving the people of the galaxy is. And we fail at this goal, completely and uttterly, because the developed sisn't realise this fact.

It's like blowing up the Earth in order to stop an asteroid from hitting the Earth! Acheiving victory at the cost of causing what we wanted to prevent. Who can honestly call that a good ending?

[Big Jack Shepard]

soozy wrote...

If the game didn't have characters that I enjoyed, cared about, and wanted the best of everything for...I wouldn't be so upset about the ending. If the characters were poorly written and were filler, presented only for teammates for the action sequences, I probably would never have even made it to the third mass effect game. So in short, I agree 100%.

Realizing that Wrex is stuck on Earth and will never see Eve and Tuchanka again, that the Quarians and Geth began to actually cooperate on Rannoch to rebuild a world only for the majority of them to be stuck out in space...it's absolutely annoying knowing that those I might as well have done absolutely nothing to help them just because of some nonsensical plot device at the end.

Yeah I don't need a happy ending, I expected some sacrifice and I didn't expect Shepard to live, but blowing everything up in the end after building relationships up with characters, spending hours working out differences between species that have lasted for thousands of years for whatever reason they chose to do so makes you wonder if they even realized why so many of Mass Effect fans are, well, fans.

Calm down, we are going to get some time travel DLC.

[Karrie788]

xsdob wrote...

sometimes I wonder why I even come here anymore. OP's thread is sad, it ignores the goal of stopping the reapers and selfishly focuses on just shepard living and not on the future controlled by a genocidal machine race. The fact that so many other people agree is even worse, it tells of a group of fans who claim to be mature on one side but resort to tantrum throwing that everything didn't end well for us, but might end well for the future, which should be the focus of winning a war.


You know what, screw this, any thread I see the angry one in, I'm just gonna turn around and ignore that thread even exist anymore.

"Save your sermons, this ain't no church."

In all seriousness, you can't expect fans NOT to be angry that there is no character resolution in a CHARACTER DRIVEN NARRATIVE.

Modifié par Karrie788, 01 avril 2012 - 02:27 .

[The Angry One]

xsdob wrote...

sometimes I wonder why I even come here anymore. OP's thread is sad, it ignores the goal of stopping the reapers and selfishly focuses on just shepard living and not on the future controlled by a genocidal machine race. The fact that so many other people agree is even worse, it tells of a group of fans who claim to be mature on one side but resort to tantrum throwing that everything didn't end well for us, but might end well for the future, which should be the focus of winning a war.


You know what, screw this, any thread I see the angry one in, I'm just gonna turn around and ignore that thread even exist anymore.

I'm glad, because I don't need people in my topics who don't read a word I say.
If you had, you'd know I specifically said that while I want Shepard to have a happy ending, it is not required.
If sacrifice must happen, then it must happen for the sake of the characters we have gotten to know.

Modifié par The Angry One, 01 avril 2012 - 02:27 .

[Quietness]

xsdob wrote...

sometimes I wonder why I even come here anymore. OP's thread is sad, it ignores the goal of stopping the reapers and selfishly focuses on just shepard living and not on the future controlled by a genocidal machine race. The fact that so many other people agree is even worse, it tells of a group of fans who claim to be mature on one side but resort to tantrum throwing that everything didn't end well for us, but might end well for the future, which should be the focus of winning a war.


You know what, screw this, any thread I see the angry one in, I'm just gonna turn around and ignore that thread even exist anymore.

Lol, stopping the reapers did far more damage to the universe than it prevented. I am sorry to hear you are having trouble seeing beyond that. If anything i read yours more as a temper tantrum than OP. Yes OP is frustrated but the facts of what we have been provided are weighed.

[Ona Demonie]

xsdob wrote...

sometimes I wonder why I even come here anymore. OP's thread is sad, it ignores the goal of stopping the reapers and selfishly focuses on just shepard living and not on the future controlled by a genocidal machine race. The fact that so many other people agree is even worse, it tells of a group of fans who claim to be mature on one side but resort to tantrum throwing that everything didn't end well for us, but might end well for the future, which should be the focus of winning a war.


You know what, screw this, any thread I see the angry one in, I'm just gonna turn around and ignore that thread even exist anymore.

We're humans. Of course we're selfish.

[circe]

I wholeheartedly agree

[Leftyguy]

KroganBillie wrote...

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

And while we're at it screw the pyjacks and varren too.

But...Thats how scale itch got on the Normandy

*chuckles*

[jlb524]

Yeah, I didn't care much either.

Sometimes I think the cycle is better...sure it sucks at the end, but for most of it, civilization has the advanced Reaper technology to live out pretty good lives....not sure how a galactic Dark Age is better.

[Mr.House]

xsdob wrote...

sometimes I wonder why I even come here anymore. OP's thread is sad, it ignores the goal of stopping the reapers and selfishly focuses on just shepard living and not on the future controlled by a genocidal machine race. The fact that so many other people agree is even worse, it tells of a group of fans who claim to be mature on one side but resort to tantrum throwing that everything didn't end well for us, but might end well for the future, which should be the focus of winning a war.

Things turning out well in the imediate is of little concern, how things turn out for the future is more important.

You know what, screw this, any thread I see the angry one in, I'm just gonna turn around and ignore that thread even exist anymore.

Why should I care about characters I have never met or races I don't care about? I was i this war to save them all and make a future for them, not leave them in a dark age and screw the galaxy over.

[Nathan_41]

 Mentioned this in another thread already, but it bears repeating...

During the development of ME3, Bioware evidently forgot that their strongest feature in their games is the characters and their relationship to the player. They mistakenly assumed that players would say "Oh, that's so sad, everyone I loved is dead. Oh well, at least the Reapers won't threaten some abstract potential (might not be one) culture 50k years from now that I never cared about."

Human nature doesn't work like that. The majority of people who went to war during WW2, if you read their journals, appear to have done so in order to protect their loved ones and their lifestyle. You can't take everything that holds meaning for the player away and legitimately call it a bittersweet ending just because they technically triumphed over the Reapers. It makes almost as much sense for a sterile man to decline to save himself by shooting the axe-murderer who's about to kill him, because that axe-murderer will probably go on to create life later whereas the sterile man has no reason to live anyway. The concerns of  'what might be' does not beat out 'what definetly is' unless there is an order of magnitude of difference between the outcomes.

Modifié par Nathan_41, 01 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[Verit]

Well said. Mass Effect has always been about the characters. Mass Effect has some of the best characters I've ever seen in any video game, and for the game to completely forget about them in the end is incredibly disappointing...

[WastelanderTim]

Karrie788 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

sometimes I wonder why I even come here anymore. OP's thread is sad, it ignores the goal of stopping the reapers and selfishly focuses on just shepard living and not on the future controlled by a genocidal machine race. The fact that so many other people agree is even worse, it tells of a group of fans who claim to be mature on one side but resort to tantrum throwing that everything didn't end well for us, but might end well for the future, which should be the focus of winning a war.


You know what, screw this, any thread I see the angry one in, I'm just gonna turn around and ignore that thread even exist anymore.

"Save your sermons, this ain't no church."

In all seriousness, you can't expect fans NOT to be angry that there is no character resolution in a CHARACTER DRIVEN NARRATIVE.

Noone but me understands mannn they had to put a Transhumanism ending into the story...well because its deep mannn

Modifié par WastelanderTim, 01 avril 2012 - 02:32 .

[pistolols]

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

the way i see it, casey hudson made it very clear he was sorry he hurt your feelings and that he knows his most passionate fans needed more time to say goodbye to their video game characters...so not really sure what you're still crying about.  They made a statement about this.  They know how you feel.  So what is this thread possibly accomplishing other than beating a dead horse?

[Sal86]

QFT OP, QFT. So many snatches of dilaogue in there that personalise the war. Garrus points out the place he was born, we ask all the crew members if their families are safe, we comfort Cortez over his personal loss. All those nice touches and they just get pissed away at the end. It's just so.... odd.

[Wickwrackscar]

Ona Demonie wrote...

xsdob wrote...

sometimes I wonder why I even come here anymore. OP's thread is sad, it ignores the goal of stopping the reapers and selfishly focuses on just shepard living and not on the future controlled by a genocidal machine race. The fact that so many other people agree is even worse, it tells of a group of fans who claim to be mature on one side but resort to tantrum throwing that everything didn't end well for us, but might end well for the future, which should be the focus of winning a war.


You know what, screw this, any thread I see the angry one in, I'm just gonna turn around and ignore that thread even exist anymore.

We're humans. Of course we're selfish.

Yes. At least when it comes to enjoying a good story. And that's absolutely okay.

[ShepnTali]

This couldn't have been said any better. Fighting for friends and loved ones as much as anything else. Shepard even says as much. I even cared more for the nameless people on the Citadel. Then Stargeezer.... couldn't even have the last word from a character we were connected to, Liara, somebody? The ending is grotesque. There's nothing fitting or beautiful about it.

[The Angry One]

pistolols wrote...

the way i see it, casey hudson made it very clear he was sorry he hurt your feelings and that he knows his most passionate fans needed more time to say goodbye to their video game characters...so not really sure what you're still crying about.  They made a statement about this.  They know how you feel.  So what is this thread possibly accomplishing other than beating a dead horse?

Possibly because BioWare have been vague and condescending about the whole issue, and I feel the need to express my thoughts now and then.

[Giantdeathrobot]

OP X 1000. I would never have been so interested in the Mass Effect games if the characters and universe weren't that well-written and felt like it was worth preserving them. Then in the end it was all for nothing.

@xsdob You could give lessons in tantrum throwing yourself. And how do you justify a series ditching both it's universe and its main characters so completely in the last 10 minutes? Writng-wise this is simply disastrous. Let's not even get into the unfortunate implications of several endings (especially Synthesis) or the whole senseless Normandy crash scene. Or Earth being more or less doomed in the future except in the Control ending, despite theoretically being the place where all those races must rebuild. Yeah, real worth it ridding us of the Cycle if absolutely everything we wanted to protect from it and cared about over those three games is either endangered, destroyed or senselessly stranded. That's satisfying closure right there.

[Hydralysk]

Finally someone saying the obvious, we were playing to save the galaxy as is not to break the cycle just for the sake of breaking the cycle.

[pistolols]

The Angry One wrote...

pistolols wrote...

the way i see it, casey hudson made it very clear he was sorry he hurt your feelings and that he knows his most passionate fans needed more time to say goodbye to their video game characters...so not really sure what you're still crying about.  They made a statement about this.  They know how you feel.  So what is this thread possibly accomplishing other than beating a dead horse?

Possibly because BioWare have been vague and condescending about the whole issue, and I feel the need to express my thoughts now and then.

They know how you feel.  They know how retake movement feels.  This is essentially spam at this point.

[Dreogan]

Don't care because given no reason to care.

Catastrophic failure of storytelling.