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[Rafe34]

Rolando93 wrote...

Nathan_41 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

But you infer from facts.  You jump in the air, you will come back down. That is fact.  The facts we are presented with in Mass Effect is that if a relay is destroyed, it will destroy the system it is in.  We infer from that fact that the sol system is destroyed.  You see?

Except the Sol system wasn't destroyed. So you infered falsely.

You think that it didn't happen because we don't have footage from the explosion of the Charon Relay to the fading of the explosive/electro-magnetic energy, but what we know from canonical information regarding the destruction of a Mass Relay dictates that the Sol System should be destroyed. We just don't see it on screen. By your logic, the only people who die during the Reaper War are the ones that do so on screen.

Am I wrong or is the first "explosion's" epicenter the Citadel? Doesn't that explosion pass over marine troops on the ground without harming them. I do believe people died off screen but I do not believe that those who seem to be still alive died at all.

That same wave takes the Normandy out of the sky.

Thus, I infer it takes the rest of the fleet down. Seems like a reasonable inferrence, no?

[Erield]

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy.  Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.

Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.

And because of the fact we are given from Arrival, this contradicts that fact.  That is why there needs to be more explanation.  Why on one occasion it will destroy a system, but NOT in another instance.  Yes we can SPECULATE what happens, but I don't think we can infer, because there are two contradictory "facts" that result from the same occurance, which is the destruction of a Mass Relay.  Speculation let's us say that perhaps it was a different type of explosion, but even then, should be explained.  Mass Effect has always explained everything about its universe. This should be no different.

This one likes logic.

No. If one explosion causes the destruction of a system while another doesn't then you can infer that they are two different explosions. The Catalyst stated that releasing the energy of the Crucible would destroy the relays. But that could happen a number of ways. Perhaps the relays were overburdened and fell apart under stress which might cause a different reaction than hitting one with an asteroid. Also, just because a beam shoots into a relay and a flash of energy comes out of it doesnt mean the relay exploded like a bomb. It could mean that, but judging from what I saw in the game I , yes I infer that that was not the case.

I might be late to the conversation, but I have one question:  Where does it show Earth still existing after the Sol Relay explodes?  For some reason, I just can't get that part of the video to load properly.

Disclaimer:  Even if the Relays don't kill all life in the galaxy, everyone is still ****ed rather royally.  Scarcity of resources, limitations of travel, destroyed infrastructure, etc. will plague every single population center since that's where the Reapers focused.  Without the Relay network for near instant-travel, what resource surpluses exist will not be able to be transported to where they are needed; this means massive starvation, no major construction projects, etc.  Spending so much time arguing whether or not the Relay explosions killed everyone or not is rather moot, since they'll all be dead within a century or two after anyway.

[Rolando93]

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy.  Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.

Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.

And because of the fact we are given from Arrival, this contradicts that fact.  That is why there needs to be more explanation.  Why on one occasion it will destroy a system, but NOT in another instance.  Yes we can SPECULATE what happens, but I don't think we can infer, because there are two contradictory "facts" that result from the same occurance, which is the destruction of a Mass Relay.  Speculation let's us say that perhaps it was a different type of explosion, but even then, should be explained.  Mass Effect has always explained everything about its universe. This should be no different.

This one likes logic.

No. If one explosion causes the destruction of a system while another doesn't then you can infer that they are two different explosions. The Catalyst stated that releasing the energy of the Crucible would destroy the relays. But that could happen a number of ways. Perhaps the relays were overburdened and fell apart under stress which might cause a different reaction than hitting one with an asteroid. Also, just because a beam shoots into a relay and a flash of energy comes out of it doesnt mean the relay exploded like a bomb. It could mean that, but judging from what I saw in the game I , yes I infer that that was not the case.

But you don't know if it destroyed the Sol system or not.  That initial wave that swept the Earth was from the Citadel, then they started showing relays exploding.  SO you still can't infer that because you don't know what happens to the Sol system after the relays explode.  So the only thing you can infer is that they all exploded, because there is no proof otherwise.

You can claim jungle planet, but that wasn't in the Sol system, you don't know where that is or in what system.  You can only HOPE that the Sol system isn't destroyed because the jungle planet wasn't destroyed.  But again, you don't know where that is in relation to what planet, etc, etc.

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

[Rafe34]

Erield wrote...
I might be late to the conversation, but I have one question:  Where does it show Earth still existing after the Sol Relay explodes?  For some reason, I just can't get that part of the video to load properly.

Disclaimer:  Even if the Relays don't kill all life in the galaxy, everyone is still ****ed rather royally.  Scarcity of resources, limitations of travel, destroyed infrastructure, etc. will plague every single population center since that's where the Reapers focused.  Without the Relay network for near instant-travel, what resource surpluses exist will not be able to be transported to where they are needed; this means massive starvation, no major construction projects, etc.  Spending so much time arguing whether or not the Relay explosions killed everyone or not is rather moot, since they'll all be dead within a century or two after anyway.

*Takes axe to pyramid.*

The Destroy ending where Shepard breathes, awakening in a pile of rubble, shows that the earth is not completely annihilated.

I don't think it is, I just think BW did a very poor job explaining that. I also think the fleets are knocked out of the sky by the pulse, since the Normandy is, and that pretty much screws the whole fleet.

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Erield wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy.  Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.

Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.

And because of the fact we are given from Arrival, this contradicts that fact.  That is why there needs to be more explanation.  Why on one occasion it will destroy a system, but NOT in another instance.  Yes we can SPECULATE what happens, but I don't think we can infer, because there are two contradictory "facts" that result from the same occurance, which is the destruction of a Mass Relay.  Speculation let's us say that perhaps it was a different type of explosion, but even then, should be explained.  Mass Effect has always explained everything about its universe. This should be no different.

This one likes logic.

No. If one explosion causes the destruction of a system while another doesn't then you can infer that they are two different explosions. The Catalyst stated that releasing the energy of the Crucible would destroy the relays. But that could happen a number of ways. Perhaps the relays were overburdened and fell apart under stress which might cause a different reaction than hitting one with an asteroid. Also, just because a beam shoots into a relay and a flash of energy comes out of it doesnt mean the relay exploded like a bomb. It could mean that, but judging from what I saw in the game I , yes I infer that that was not the case.

I might be late to the conversation, but I have one question:  Where does it show Earth still existing after the Sol Relay explodes?  For some reason, I just can't get that part of the video to load properly.

Disclaimer:  Even if the Relays don't kill all life in the galaxy, everyone is still ****ed rather royally.  Scarcity of resources, limitations of travel, destroyed infrastructure, etc. will plague every single population center since that's where the Reapers focused.  Without the Relay network for near instant-travel, what resource surpluses exist will not be able to be transported to where they are needed; this means massive starvation, no major construction projects, etc.  Spending so much time arguing whether or not the Relay explosions killed everyone or not is rather moot, since they'll all be dead within a century or two after anyway.

It doesn't show earth surviving after the relay blew.  It's just impossible to speculate clearly with what they left us, however;  It is pretty clear that either way, the relays being gone pretty much dooms everyone to death, except for a few groups who could start over.  Even then, we aren't sure whether they will have enough food on the scorched earth, and we definitley don't know if they have transportation,

[Rolando93]

Erield wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy.  Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.

Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.

And because of the fact we are given from Arrival, this contradicts that fact.  That is why there needs to be more explanation.  Why on one occasion it will destroy a system, but NOT in another instance.  Yes we can SPECULATE what happens, but I don't think we can infer, because there are two contradictory "facts" that result from the same occurance, which is the destruction of a Mass Relay.  Speculation let's us say that perhaps it was a different type of explosion, but even then, should be explained.  Mass Effect has always explained everything about its universe. This should be no different.

This one likes logic.

No. If one explosion causes the destruction of a system while another doesn't then you can infer that they are two different explosions. The Catalyst stated that releasing the energy of the Crucible would destroy the relays. But that could happen a number of ways. Perhaps the relays were overburdened and fell apart under stress which might cause a different reaction than hitting one with an asteroid. Also, just because a beam shoots into a relay and a flash of energy comes out of it doesnt mean the relay exploded like a bomb. It could mean that, but judging from what I saw in the game I , yes I infer that that was not the case.

I might be late to the conversation, but I have one question:  Where does it show Earth still existing after the Sol Relay explodes?  For some reason, I just can't get that part of the video to load properly.

Disclaimer:  Even if the Relays don't kill all life in the galaxy, everyone is still ****ed rather royally.  Scarcity of resources, limitations of travel, destroyed infrastructure, etc. will plague every single population center since that's where the Reapers focused.  Without the Relay network for near instant-travel, what resource surpluses exist will not be able to be transported to where they are needed; this means massive starvation, no major construction projects, etc.  Spending so much time arguing whether or not the Relay explosions killed everyone or not is rather moot, since they'll all be dead within a century or two after anyway.

I'm sorry but you missed A LOT.

[Konfined]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Trikormadenadon wrote...

Really? It's been my experience on BSN so far that the pro-enders are the ones who fling names more often, and usually the first to do so also. But that's just my experience and I may have missed something.

You've missed a lot, but that's okay. Both sides have their radicals.

You being chief among them.

[Rafe34]

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

I agree- I just think BW did a very poor job of explaining.

But that wave did take down the Normandy, so I think we can infer it took down the fleets. So, now everyone is stranded, either dead, or crashed on earth.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

And if that cost is the destruction of the universe would you go through with it? Because that's what happens the Mass Effect universe has change irrevocalby because of what you did.

Now you are getting it.

And by change I mean it is gone. The mass effect universe is gone. We all know what happens when a Mass Relay explodes. Imagine what the galaxy will look like after EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM GOES OFF AT THE SAME TIME! The milky way is now devoid of all life.

We know what happens when a mass relay gets destroyed by an asteroid.  We have no idea what happens when it gets destroyed by citadel pulse.

Well if Bioware cared to tell us this in a conclusion title card then I would agree with you however they didn't so all we can base this on is from the in game codex written by bioware

Mass relays are believed to be indestructible by galactic society, but
no known attempts have been made to actually damage or destroy a relay
because they are the only means of long distance space travel and thus
too vital to risk. Prior to the events of Arrival, however, Dr. Amanda Kenson
and her research team calculated that if a large enough mass impacts a
relay with enough force, the relay should not be able to withstand it.
The consequences of destroying a mass relay are immense: as a huge mass
effect engine manipulating massive quantities of energy, a relay could
produce an explosion of supernova proportions. This proves true when
during Arrival, a large asteroid is purposely steered into the Bahak system's Alpha Relay.
The resulting impact tears apart the relay, causing an explosion which
annihilates the Bahak system and kills its more than 300,000
inhabitants.


I see no asterik concerning destruction by Citadel pulse do you?

I did notice the word could, as in, it is possible, but not 100% certainty.  Obviously, when this codex was written was before any empirical data could be gathered on Citadel pulses.

Did you also notice the it proves true part after that? All that pent up enery goes somewhere and looking ta the galaxy in the end it plainly shows where it goes.

[Shaigunjoe]

[quote]
Spending so much time arguing whether or not the Relay explosions killed everyone or not is rather moot, since they'll all be dead within a century or two after anyway.[/quote]
[/quote]

I guess thats true, as I think only Asari and Krogan live that long to begin with right?

[CronoDragoon]

Rafe34 wrote...

*Takes axe to pyramid.*

The Destroy ending where Shepard breathes, awakening in a pile of rubble, shows that the earth is not completely annihilated.

I don't think it is, I just think BW did a very poor job explaining that. I also think the fleets are knocked out of the sky by the pulse, since the Normandy is, and that pretty much screws the whole fleet.

Yeah but then how did Shepard get back to Earth? Ow my head....nevermind...trying to connect the dots in this ending is like walking through a minefield.

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Ok fair enough, I see your point.  I think they threw that scene in there for no reason, but I can't discount it solely on that.

Putting the fact that earth didn't get blown up aside, that still leaves all those people stranded there without enough resources to sustain them.

Modifié par ZiegenkonigIII, 01 avril 2012 - 06:34 .

[HenchxNarf]

Konfined wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Trikormadenadon wrote...

Really? It's been my experience on BSN so far that the pro-enders are the ones who fling names more often, and usually the first to do so also. But that's just my experience and I may have missed something.

You've missed a lot, but that's okay. Both sides have their radicals.

You being chief among them.

I think you need to learn what radical means if you think that. I haven't called anyone names, nor insulted anyone.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 01 avril 2012 - 06:35 .

[BWGungan]

IsaacShep wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Construction takes time, they arent given a lot of it.

OK then. Every single Quarian goes to Earth then. They will all die. Happy? Seriously, people are just now looking for reason to have all Quarians on Earth just to add it to "this is why endings suck!" list even though it makes no sense and the list is already long and rich enough that we don't need additional Quarian excinction to get our point across.

Ok listen.  It is pretty clear that some Quarians stayed behind on Rannoch to being reconstruction.  We don't know how many though, and you seem to be under the impression that some is enough to guarantee survival without the relays.

The biggest factor with this situation is that without sufficient genetic diversity, it won't matter that there are survivors on Rannoch.  If you don't have a big enough gene pool, your kids are not going to have the appropriate number of fingers and toes, and genetic deterioration will just cause its own horrific extinction.

Just 1000 Quarians would be more than enough to rebuild population. I'm sure they didn;t have problems leaving 1000 Quarians out of 17 freaking million.

1000 is a stretch. 

An MVP (minimum viable population) of 500 to 1,000 has often been given as an average for terrestrial vertebrates when inbreeding or genetic variability is ignored.  You also need to consider age/fertility rates and average death rates. Also add in geographic proximity of members to facilitate breeding.  These are all factors that will increase the required MVP for 90-95% probability of survival.

So how many of those 1000 people you're listing are of breeding age?  If they really wanted to save their children from a fleet of 17 million (your own number), how many adults did they leave behind to raise and protect all the children?  I have a feeling there are quite a few more than 1000 children on a fleet of 17 million anyways.

No sir, you're going to need way more than 1000 Quarians to prevent extinction - unless you picked Synthesis I guess... then they can just start screwing Geth.

Modifié par BWGungan, 01 avril 2012 - 06:46 .

[curufinwe03]

Rolando93 wrote...
If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Maybe it gets obliterated a bit later? I'd say 5 and half hours later. That how long the light - or in that case the effects of a supernova - from Charon takes to reach Earth.

[kidbd15]

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

[Erield]

[quote]ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

[/quote]

It doesn't show earth surviving after the relay blew.  It's just impossible to speculate clearly with what they left us, however;  It is pretty clear that either way, the relays being gone pretty much dooms everyone to death, except for a few groups who could start over.  Even then, we aren't sure whether they will have enough food on the scorched earth, and we definitley don't know if they have transportation,

[/quote]

So.  They don't show Earth post-Relay explosion?  How is Earth not being blown up a fact?

RE: Shepard breathing--While I believe that's London, it's quite possible that Shepard got sent to, say, Illos instead.  It's not a fact that it's Earth; just speculation.  Even if it [is] Earth, that's what, a 1 in 6 or 1 in 7 chance, depending on choice and EMS? 

[Rolando93]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Erield wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy.  Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.

Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.

And because of the fact we are given from Arrival, this contradicts that fact.  That is why there needs to be more explanation.  Why on one occasion it will destroy a system, but NOT in another instance.  Yes we can SPECULATE what happens, but I don't think we can infer, because there are two contradictory "facts" that result from the same occurance, which is the destruction of a Mass Relay.  Speculation let's us say that perhaps it was a different type of explosion, but even then, should be explained.  Mass Effect has always explained everything about its universe. This should be no different.

This one likes logic.

No. If one explosion causes the destruction of a system while another doesn't then you can infer that they are two different explosions. The Catalyst stated that releasing the energy of the Crucible would destroy the relays. But that could happen a number of ways. Perhaps the relays were overburdened and fell apart under stress which might cause a different reaction than hitting one with an asteroid. Also, just because a beam shoots into a relay and a flash of energy comes out of it doesnt mean the relay exploded like a bomb. It could mean that, but judging from what I saw in the game I , yes I infer that that was not the case.

I might be late to the conversation, but I have one question:  Where does it show Earth still existing after the Sol Relay explodes?  For some reason, I just can't get that part of the video to load properly.

Disclaimer:  Even if the Relays don't kill all life in the galaxy, everyone is still ****ed rather royally.  Scarcity of resources, limitations of travel, destroyed infrastructure, etc. will plague every single population center since that's where the Reapers focused.  Without the Relay network for near instant-travel, what resource surpluses exist will not be able to be transported to where they are needed; this means massive starvation, no major construction projects, etc.  Spending so much time arguing whether or not the Relay explosions killed everyone or not is rather moot, since they'll all be dead within a century or two after anyway.

It doesn't show earth surviving after the relay blew.  It's just impossible to speculate clearly with what they left us, however;  It is pretty clear that either way, the relays being gone pretty much dooms everyone to death, except for a few groups who could start over.  Even then, we aren't sure whether they will have enough food on the scorched earth, and we definitley don't know if they have transportation,

Nothing proves that there is anything to stop any of the races from restarting. There is something that proves that life does continue on. Humans apparently make it into the future and aren't we really all that matters? And I think the krogan can canibalize their extra organs if need be.

[Shaigunjoe]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

And if that cost is the destruction of the universe would you go through with it? Because that's what happens the Mass Effect universe has change irrevocalby because of what you did.

Now you are getting it.

And by change I mean it is gone. The mass effect universe is gone. We all know what happens when a Mass Relay explodes. Imagine what the galaxy will look like after EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM GOES OFF AT THE SAME TIME! The milky way is now devoid of all life.

We know what happens when a mass relay gets destroyed by an asteroid.  We have no idea what happens when it gets destroyed by citadel pulse.

Well if Bioware cared to tell us this in a conclusion title card then I would agree with you however they didn't so all we can base this on is from the in game codex written by bioware

Mass relays are believed to be indestructible by galactic society, but
no known attempts have been made to actually damage or destroy a relay
because they are the only means of long distance space travel and thus
too vital to risk. Prior to the events of Arrival, however, Dr. Amanda Kenson
and her research team calculated that if a large enough mass impacts a
relay with enough force, the relay should not be able to withstand it.
The consequences of destroying a mass relay are immense: as a huge mass
effect engine manipulating massive quantities of energy, a relay could
produce an explosion of supernova proportions. This proves true when
during Arrival, a large asteroid is purposely steered into the Bahak system's Alpha Relay.
The resulting impact tears apart the relay, causing an explosion which
annihilates the Bahak system and kills its more than 300,000
inhabitants.


I see no asterik concerning destruction by Citadel pulse do you?

I did notice the word could, as in, it is possible, but not 100% certainty.  Obviously, when this codex was written was before any empirical data could be gathered on Citadel pulses.

Did you also notice the it proves true part after that? All that pent up enery goes somewhere and looking ta the galaxy in the end it plainly shows where it goes.

Yes, in that one, secular incident.  Though as someone pointed out, in one ending Shep lives, and she comes too after the explosions.  So it is safe to say that the Bahak case was an isolated event.

[Rolling Flame]

Agreed. I certainly want to see the aftermath of the war, but I couldn't care less about 10,000 years down the path. After all, the characters we've all grown to love are all dead by then.

[cachx]

CaptainIngenuity wrote...
For it to be a misconception means that you have definative proof to the contrary.  You don't.  You may believe that the explosions dont cause a supernova, I however see a galactic explosion as bad, thus do...  No one has proof one way or another.

There is not hard evidence on what happens for several things. 
That's where the wonderful "interpretation" comes into play. If I'm not 100% right then neither can you.

In this particular case I'm inclined to believe that the waves were not deadly (with the exception of the worst ending) because:
a. Big Ben and the soldiers on earth are fine.
b. Normandy crew survives.
c. Gilligan's planet is untouched.

The only evidence to the contrary is what we saw in Arrival, but I didn't see small planets colliding with relays.

[2484Stryker]

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

^This...x 10,000

[BecBec]

Couldn't agree with the OP more!!!!!!

[EsterCloat]

I agree with the OP.

[Rolando93]

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

Actually here I am assuming. I assume that the game designers wouldn't just show us a random dying asthmatic. But It does seem that the area around whoever it is is pretty scorched up so it must have been hit by the Reapers or really anyone else. It doesn't matter because whoever attacked it must have used a mass relay to get there yet that planet was not destroyed in whetever explosion there was.

But let's be honest. It was Shepard.