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[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Konfined wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Trikormadenadon wrote...

Really? It's been my experience on BSN so far that the pro-enders are the ones who fling names more often, and usually the first to do so also. But that's just my experience and I may have missed something.

You've missed a lot, but that's okay. Both sides have their radicals.

You being chief among them.

I would say there is a difference between insulting people, and being staunch about your opinion.

[xxskyshadowxx]

Stands in awe of all the towering quote pyramids.



Finds she has to dump sand out of her shoes....again.

[HenchxNarf]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

Konfined wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Trikormadenadon wrote...

Really? It's been my experience on BSN so far that the pro-enders are the ones who fling names more often, and usually the first to do so also. But that's just my experience and I may have missed something.

You've missed a lot, but that's okay. Both sides have their radicals.

You being chief among them.

I would say there is a difference between insulting people, and being staunch about your opinion.

There is. And I haven't insulted anyone, but I've been insulted more times than I can count.

[Rolando93]

2484Stryker wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

^This...x 10,000

Then you played the wrong game. And also. YOUR FRIENDS ARE STILL ALIVE. And so are human beings anyways.

[Erield]

[quote]Shaigunjoe wrote...

[quote]
Spending so much time arguing whether or not the Relay explosions killed everyone or not is rather moot, since they'll all be dead within a century or two after anyway.[/quote]
[/quote]

I guess thats true, as I think only Asari and Krogan live that long to begin with right?



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I actually meant [i]everyone[i] will be dead:  all humans.  all asari.  all krogan.  There is no central government.  Hell, there's no government at all. There is no infrastructure.  Population centers have been destroyed.  Sol system faces the unique problem of having the combined galactic fleet, which now has nowhere to go and no way to get there successfully, while also having no significant resources to offer in terms of pure survival.

I'd honestly put a guess of when everyone starves to death at closer to a decade, but you know those quarians and their liveships.  Oh, speaking of quarians, the entire civilian fleet, minus a few liveships to support Heavy and Patrol fleets, stayed at Rannoch.  (Straight from the Codex entry itself!)

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Rolando93 wrote...

Nothing proves that there is anything to stop any of the races from restarting. There is something that proves that life does continue on. Humans apparently make it into the future and aren't we really all that matters? And I think the krogan can canibalize their extra organs if need be.

God that would be awful lol.  I also don't think humanity should be the only one to walk away from this either, in fact I enjoyed the Asari much more then Humanity, since Humanity did kind of come off as big-headed and aggressive.

But you do have a point about the ending cutscene.  It does show life continues, but I think that it was supposed to be on the planet that Joker and crew crashlanded on.  I may be wrong on that one, I don't know.  But in any case, they didn't have a large enough population on the Normandy to support a colony, so 10000 years later doesn't really make sense.

If you ask me the whole thing makes no sense and its pointless trying to find out anything.  All we know for certain is that the relays exploded and that everyone in the Sol system probably died; due to lack of resources.

[eventhewaves]

BWGungan wrote...

What I want to know is how the hell the destroy beam can differentiate between synthetic life, and technology in general.

As I recall, it basically doesn't.

The Catalyst flat-out says Destroy takes out most modern technology when you use it.

[Nathan_41]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Konfined wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Trikormadenadon wrote...

Really? It's been my experience on BSN so far that the pro-enders are the ones who fling names more often, and usually the first to do so also. But that's just my experience and I may have missed something.

You've missed a lot, but that's okay. Both sides have their radicals.

You being chief among them.

I think you need to learn what radical means if you think that. I haven't called anyone names, nor insulted anyone.

No offense mate, but if Konfined needs to, so do you. I don't believe I've ever read a dictionary that defined a "Radical" individual as someone who calls others by names or insults them. Just putting it out there.

[Rolando93]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

Brian Lewis wrote...

I agree with the OP. I did not spend 3 games getting to know the characters and caring about the galaxy just to sentence all of them to death in the last 5 minutes. My Shepards were fighting to preserve as much of the galaxy and save as many of their friends as possible, not just so future races won't have to face the Reapers.

Shepard doesn't sentence anyone to death since destroying the relays really is his only option and also destroying the relays kill nobody.

Wow, I get how you work now. You use your own opinion as fact and than just keep re-inforcing your own opinion with your own opinion. You use virtually no facts from the actual game.

And I see how you work. You attach yourself to a poster in order to make it seem as though you are part of the conversation while you are really only making critisisms instead of offering anything noteworthy. How does destroying the relays kill anyone?

They are explosions, seen from a galactic scale, affecting the galaxy.  Saying they are harmless would be ridiculous, nothing on that large a scale with that much destructive potential is harmless.

Destructive potential? It seemed to sweep earth without harming a single organic or the vehicles they were using.

And because of the fact we are given from Arrival, this contradicts that fact.  That is why there needs to be more explanation.  Why on one occasion it will destroy a system, but NOT in another instance.  Yes we can SPECULATE what happens, but I don't think we can infer, because there are two contradictory "facts" that result from the same occurance, which is the destruction of a Mass Relay.  Speculation let's us say that perhaps it was a different type of explosion, but even then, should be explained.  Mass Effect has always explained everything about its universe. This should be no different.

This one likes logic.

No. If one explosion causes the destruction of a system while another doesn't then you can infer that they are two different explosions. The Catalyst stated that releasing the energy of the Crucible would destroy the relays. But that could happen a number of ways. Perhaps the relays were overburdened and fell apart under stress which might cause a different reaction than hitting one with an asteroid. Also, just because a beam shoots into a relay and a flash of energy comes out of it doesnt mean the relay exploded like a bomb. It could mean that, but judging from what I saw in the game I , yes I infer that that was not the case.

I explained to you earlier a second ago that the blast you saw sweeping earth and the mass relay blowing up happen at two different times (hence they are two seperate explosions), just in case you missed it.

I have since explained that Shepard can still be seen in the final part of the destroy option. Obviously Sol was not destroyed.

[Rafe34]

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

It's definitely Shepard. The gender changes depending on what gender your Shepard is, and the tag for the movie is Shepard_Awake.

Modifié par Rafe34, 01 avril 2012 - 06:44 .

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Rolando93 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

^This...x 10,000

Then you played the wrong game. And also. YOUR FRIENDS ARE STILL ALIVE. And so are human beings anyways.

Your friends are alive but we don't have any information to say they can survive on that planet.  We also know that since they don't have a large enough population on the ship, they will die of old age, and at best their children will live on until they die of old age.

[Rafe34]

Rolando93 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

^This...x 10,000

Then you played the wrong game. And also. YOUR FRIENDS ARE STILL ALIVE. And so are human beings anyways.

Sure your friends are alive. For now. But either Garrus and Tali, or the entirety of the rest of your crew, are going to starve to death, as a single planet doesn't have both dextro and amino-based food.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

BuckHammer wrote...

 I'm not going to read 26 pages of this thread. After reading the OP, though, you missed the whole point of three entire games.

Heck, you can get that from the subject.  From game 1 Sheps goal was to stop the reapers at any cost.  If the OP doesn't want to break the cycle, who knows why they kept playing.  Witty dialogue?

And if that cost is the destruction of the universe would you go through with it? Because that's what happens the Mass Effect universe has change irrevocalby because of what you did.

Now you are getting it.

And by change I mean it is gone. The mass effect universe is gone. We all know what happens when a Mass Relay explodes. Imagine what the galaxy will look like after EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM GOES OFF AT THE SAME TIME! The milky way is now devoid of all life.

We know what happens when a mass relay gets destroyed by an asteroid.  We have no idea what happens when it gets destroyed by citadel pulse.

Well if Bioware cared to tell us this in a conclusion title card then I would agree with you however they didn't so all we can base this on is from the in game codex written by bioware

Mass relays are believed to be indestructible by galactic society, but
no known attempts have been made to actually damage or destroy a relay
because they are the only means of long distance space travel and thus
too vital to risk. Prior to the events of Arrival, however, Dr. Amanda Kenson
and her research team calculated that if a large enough mass impacts a
relay with enough force, the relay should not be able to withstand it.
The consequences of destroying a mass relay are immense: as a huge mass
effect engine manipulating massive quantities of energy, a relay could
produce an explosion of supernova proportions. This proves true when
during Arrival, a large asteroid is purposely steered into the Bahak system's Alpha Relay.
The resulting impact tears apart the relay, causing an explosion which
annihilates the Bahak system and kills its more than 300,000
inhabitants.


I see no asterik concerning destruction by Citadel pulse do you?

I did notice the word could, as in, it is possible, but not 100% certainty.  Obviously, when this codex was written was before any empirical data could be gathered on Citadel pulses.

Did you also notice the it proves true part after that? All that pent up enery goes somewhere and looking ta the galaxy in the end it plainly shows where it goes.

Yes, in that one, secular incident.  Though as someone pointed out, in one ending Shep lives, and she comes too after the explosions.  So it is safe to say that the Bahak case was an isolated event.

Then they should have explained wtf happened. Why is it that destroying the relays in this way isn't going to **** up the galaxy? And it doesn't matter anyway as the lack of relays will end up killing a majority of everyone anyway.

Modifié par Harbinger of your Destiny, 01 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[Konfined]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Konfined wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Trikormadenadon wrote...

Really? It's been my experience on BSN so far that the pro-enders are the ones who fling names more often, and usually the first to do so also. But that's just my experience and I may have missed something.

You've missed a lot, but that's okay. Both sides have their radicals.

You being chief among them.

I think you need to learn what radical means if you think that. I haven't called anyone names, nor insulted anyone.

As far as I'm concerned, if anybody feels the need to try and tell other people that their opinion is wrong, or that they need to stop voicing their opinion, then they need to take a step back and reflect. 

Modifié par Konfined, 01 avril 2012 - 06:48 .

[CronoDragoon]

Rolando93 wrote...

Then you played the wrong game. And also. YOUR FRIENDS ARE STILL ALIVE. And so are human beings anyways.

We played the wrong ending to the right game. Most of the game still cared about its characters.

[GME_ThorianCreeper]

Nathan_41 wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Konfined wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Trikormadenadon wrote...

Really? It's been my experience on BSN so far that the pro-enders are the ones who fling names more often, and usually the first to do so also. But that's just my experience and I may have missed something.

You've missed a lot, but that's okay. Both sides have their radicals.

You being chief among them.

I think you need to learn what radical means if you think that. I haven't called anyone names, nor insulted anyone.

No offense mate, but if Konfined needs to, so do you. I don't believe I've ever read a dictionary that defined a "Radical" individual as someone who calls others by names or insults them. Just putting it out there.

I would say the word radical in this situation is describing people who are going over the top by calling others names is they do not believe in their opinion.  Hense, they are radical.

Modifié par GME_ThorianCreeper, 01 avril 2012 - 06:48 .

[Rolando93]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

^This...x 10,000

Then you played the wrong game. And also. YOUR FRIENDS ARE STILL ALIVE. And so are human beings anyways.

Your friends are alive but we don't have any information to say they can survive on that planet.  We also know that since they don't have a large enough population on the ship, they will die of old age, and at best their children will live on until they die of old age.

And they will have all of us to thank.

Modifié par Rolando93, 01 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[ZiegenkonigIII]

I mean no matter what way you look at it the majority of the civilizations in the ME series are going to die, or be reduced to next to nothing. Saying anything more would require more information then they decided to give us, and they didn't give us a lot.

[Rafe34]

Rolando93 wrote...

Nothing proves that there is anything to stop any of the races from restarting. There is something that proves that life does continue on. Humans apparently make it into the future and aren't we really all that matters? And I think the krogan can canibalize their extra organs if need be.

Why, hello, TIM.

Your position makes a hell of a lot more sense now. I understand why you're okay with the endings- you don't care about the other races.

Most of us who played the game disagree with the radical Cerberus position you apparently espouse. So yes, I do care that the quarians, turians, asari, and krogan make it through, among others.

[Leozilla]

Konfined wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Konfined wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Trikormadenadon wrote...

Really? It's been my experience on BSN so far that the pro-enders are the ones who fling names more often, and usually the first to do so also. But that's just my experience and I may have missed something.

You've missed a lot, but that's okay. Both sides have their radicals.

You being chief among them.

I think you need to learn what radical means if you think that. I haven't called anyone names, nor insulted anyone.

As far as I'm concerned, if anybody feels the need to try and tell other people that their opinion is wrong, or that they need to stop voicing their opinion, then they need to take a step back and reflect. 

amen

[Shaigunjoe]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

^This...x 10,000

Then you played the wrong game. And also. YOUR FRIENDS ARE STILL ALIVE. And so are human beings anyways.

Your friends are alive but we don't have any information to say they can survive on that planet.  We also know that since they don't have a large enough population on the ship, they will die of old age, and at best their children will live on until they die of old age.

But we do know they survive, and maybe they will live on to die at old age....but that is the case in any 100% happy ending!  Your friends will die of old age, how much happier can you get?  And bioware was kind enough to leave open that gap for fan fiction writers everywhere!

Modifié par Shaigunjoe, 01 avril 2012 - 06:49 .

[Trikormadenadon]

alterIncogn1T0 wrote...

EXACTLY.

I mean it's already been proven in the Mass Effect lore than regardless of a Reaper invasion every 50,000 years, organic life will continue to evolve into a new cycle of advanced, space-faring civilizations. So what if we ended the cycle for a future 10,000 years ahead of us? If the lore is correct, we may as well have let the Reapers win and be done with it.

This alone proves how broken the endings are.

This exactly, another way to put it is that as far as our cycle is concerned...the reapers won.

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

^This...x 10,000

Then you played the wrong game. And also. YOUR FRIENDS ARE STILL ALIVE. And so are human beings anyways.

Your friends are alive but we don't have any information to say they can survive on that planet.  We also know that since they don't have a large enough population on the ship, they will die of old age, and at best their children will live on until they die of old age.

And they will have all of us to thank.

If I were them I would hate me for stranding me on a planet to die of old age/starvation.  And the other poster had a point, either tali/garrus die, or the entire crew dies, seeing as how the planet can not support dextro and amino based food.

It just sucks all around.

[kidbd15]

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

Actually here I am assuming. I assume that the game designers wouldn't just show us a random dying asthmatic. But It does seem that the area around whoever it is is pretty scorched up so it must have been hit by the Reapers or really anyone else. It doesn't matter because whoever attacked it must have used a mass relay to get there yet that planet was not destroyed in whetever explosion there was.

But let's be honest. It was Shepard.

heh... yea, it is... but you have to admit, an ending with so many inferences that need to be made, with so many things that question logic, isn't the greatest of endings... in fact, to me, it's pretty bad

[Rafe34]

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Your friends are alive but we don't have any information to say they can survive on that planet.  We also know that since they don't have a large enough population on the ship, they will die of old age, and at best their children will live on until they die of old age.

And they will have all of us to thank.

Sarcasm. You missed it.