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[ZiegenkonigIII]

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

Actually here I am assuming. I assume that the game designers wouldn't just show us a random dying asthmatic. But It does seem that the area around whoever it is is pretty scorched up so it must have been hit by the Reapers or really anyone else. It doesn't matter because whoever attacked it must have used a mass relay to get there yet that planet was not destroyed in whetever explosion there was.

But let's be honest. It was Shepard.

heh... yea, it is... but you have to admit, an ending with so many inferences that need to be made, with so many things that question logic, isn't the greatest of endings... in fact, to me, it's pretty bad

I hate that they covered up this fact with the Lots of Speculation logic.  This isn't speculation its fumbling around in the dark.

[Shaigunjoe]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Then they should have explained wtf happened. Why is it that destroying the relays in this way isn't going to **** up the galaxy? And it doesn't matter anyway as the lack of relays will end up killing a majority of everyone anyway.

Why does throwing salt in water do pretty much nothing aside from lowering the freeze point but throwing lithium in water is a very bad thing?  Thats right space magic...wait, no it's science.

Modifié par Shaigunjoe, 01 avril 2012 - 06:54 .

[Rolando93]

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

Actually here I am assuming. I assume that the game designers wouldn't just show us a random dying asthmatic. But It does seem that the area around whoever it is is pretty scorched up so it must have been hit by the Reapers or really anyone else. It doesn't matter because whoever attacked it must have used a mass relay to get there yet that planet was not destroyed in whetever explosion there was.

But let's be honest. It was Shepard.

heh... yea, it is... but you have to admit, an ending with so many inferences that need to be made, with so many things that question logic, isn't the greatest of endings... in fact, to me, it's pretty bad

But with Shepard alive we know none of the systems were destroyed. What's left is whether or not the races can survive without the mass relays. I honestly believe they can...if they believe in themselves.

[Rafe34]

Shaigunjoe wrote...
But we do know they survive, and maybe they will live on to die at old age....but that is the case in any 100% happy ending!  Your friends will die of old age, how much happier can you get?  And bioware was kind enough to leave open that gap for fan fiction writers everywhere!

Oh my god.

My faith in humanity is being eroded.

I didn't pay Bioware $60 so it could jog the imagination of fanfic writers.

Not to mention they WONT die of old age. Either Garrus or Tali, or the rest of your crew, will die of starvation, since the planet cannot support both dextro and amino-based life. Unless of course... space magic.

[HenchxNarf]

Nathan_41 wrote...

No offense mate, but if Konfined needs to, so do you. I don't believe I've ever read a dictionary that defined a "Radical" individual as someone who calls others by names or insults them. Just putting it out there.

It's basically being an extremist. Which, I guess is the wrong word. There are people who go too far on both sides (though, tbh, I have yet to see the pro-enders cross the threatening someone elses life line. At least on BSN), would be a more accurate statement.

[Morden2261]

soozy wrote...

If the game didn't have characters that I enjoyed, cared about, and wanted the best of everything for...I wouldn't be so upset about the ending. If the characters were poorly written and were filler, presented only for teammates for the action sequences, I probably would never have even made it to the third mass effect game. So in short, I agree 100%.

Realizing that Wrex is stuck on Earth and will never see Eve and Tuchanka again, that the Quarians and Geth began to actually cooperate on Rannoch to rebuild a world only for the majority of them to be stuck out in space...it's absolutely annoying knowing that those I might as well have done absolutely nothing to help them just because of some nonsensical plot device at the end.

Yeah I don't need a happy ending, I expected some sacrifice and I didn't expect Shepard to live, but blowing everything up in the end after building relationships up with characters, spending hours working out differences between species that have lasted for thousands of years for whatever reason they chose to do so makes you wonder if they even realized why so many of Mass Effect fans are, well, fans.

I'm coming late to this thread, but I felt this was worth quoting.

[Rafe34]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Then they should have explained wtf happened. Why is it that destroying the relays in this way isn't going to **** up the galaxy? And it doesn't matter anyway as the lack of relays will end up killing a majority of everyone anyway.

Why does throwing salt in water do pretty much nothing aside from lowering the freeze point but throwing lithium in water is a very bad thing?  Thats right space magic...wait, no it's science.

This quote shows you have no clue what the actual problems are. That's a scientific process that is completely explained. What Harbinger says is NOT explained. Neither is Synthesis. It's simply something we're supposed to take at face value.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I blame Origin for downloading the wrong ending.

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

Actually here I am assuming. I assume that the game designers wouldn't just show us a random dying asthmatic. But It does seem that the area around whoever it is is pretty scorched up so it must have been hit by the Reapers or really anyone else. It doesn't matter because whoever attacked it must have used a mass relay to get there yet that planet was not destroyed in whetever explosion there was.

But let's be honest. It was Shepard.

heh... yea, it is... but you have to admit, an ending with so many inferences that need to be made, with so many things that question logic, isn't the greatest of endings... in fact, to me, it's pretty bad

But with Shepard alive we know none of the systems were destroyed. What's left is whether or not the races can survive without the mass relays. I honestly believe they can...if they believe in themselves.

No, see, without galactic travel about 90% of civilization is going to be doomed.  Most of these worlds can't support plant growth anymore, so no food.  Earth is a prime example of this.  It's a metropolitan world that has most of its surface area used up.  It can't support all those different races.

[Nathan_41]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

I would say the word radical in this situation is describing people who are going over the top by calling others names is they do not believe in their opinion.  Hense, they are radical.

I would certainly agree that that is a valid interpretation, but not the only one. You can still be a radical member of this debate without spamming the capslock key and the full range of English profanity. Konfined mentioned that he/she believes anyone who tries to tell people that they aren't entitled to voicing their opinions, and presumably also, calls the OP selfish for wanting something that he/she normally gets in a Bioware game, is acting rather radically, and I wouldn't exactly disagree with this interpretation either.

Modifié par Nathan_41, 01 avril 2012 - 07:14 .

[Rolando93]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

Actually here I am assuming. I assume that the game designers wouldn't just show us a random dying asthmatic. But It does seem that the area around whoever it is is pretty scorched up so it must have been hit by the Reapers or really anyone else. It doesn't matter because whoever attacked it must have used a mass relay to get there yet that planet was not destroyed in whetever explosion there was.

But let's be honest. It was Shepard.

heh... yea, it is... but you have to admit, an ending with so many inferences that need to be made, with so many things that question logic, isn't the greatest of endings... in fact, to me, it's pretty bad

I hate that they covered up this fact with the Lots of Speculation logic.  This isn't speculation its fumbling around in the dark.

I think they wanted to give the feeling like "This is what Shepard's reward is." He witnesses peace being brought to the glaxy and he goes knowing that the Reapers were stopped. Not what happens to every one of his friends.

[HenchxNarf]

Nathan_41 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

I would say the word radical in this situation is describing people who are going over the top by calling others names is they do not believe in their opinion.  Hense, they are radical.

I would certainly agree that that is a valid interpretation, but not the only one. You can still be a radical member of this debate without spamming the capslock key and the full range of English profanity. Konfined mentioned that he/she believes anyone who tries to tell people that they aren't entitled to voicing their opinions, and presumably also, calls the OP selfish for wanting something that he/she normally gets in a Bioware game, and I wouldn't exactly disagree with this interpretation either.

Which is funny, because in another thread awhile ago, Konfined told me I was wrong for having my opinion on the endings.

*shrugs*

There are bad ones on both sides, though, there are worse ones on the anti-ending side. From what I've seen since the game came out.

[ElitePinecone]

Agreed.

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

Actually here I am assuming. I assume that the game designers wouldn't just show us a random dying asthmatic. But It does seem that the area around whoever it is is pretty scorched up so it must have been hit by the Reapers or really anyone else. It doesn't matter because whoever attacked it must have used a mass relay to get there yet that planet was not destroyed in whetever explosion there was.

But let's be honest. It was Shepard.

heh... yea, it is... but you have to admit, an ending with so many inferences that need to be made, with so many things that question logic, isn't the greatest of endings... in fact, to me, it's pretty bad

I hate that they covered up this fact with the Lots of Speculation logic.  This isn't speculation its fumbling around in the dark.

I think they wanted to give the feeling like "This is what Shepard's reward is." He witnesses peace being brought to the glaxy and he goes knowing that the Reapers were stopped. Not what happens to every one of his friends.

There is no way that peace is brought to the galaxy.  If anything, having the relays destroyed would bring more suffering and conflict to the galaxy then ever before, with civil wars and conflicts waged against each other for food and fuel.  This isn't a happy galaxy it's a broken one.

Edit:  Let me be clear, it would be broken from galactic war if there was a happy ending; with this ending it's more like a hopeless galaxy.

Modifié par ZiegenkonigIII, 01 avril 2012 - 07:01 .

[Rolando93]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

Actually here I am assuming. I assume that the game designers wouldn't just show us a random dying asthmatic. But It does seem that the area around whoever it is is pretty scorched up so it must have been hit by the Reapers or really anyone else. It doesn't matter because whoever attacked it must have used a mass relay to get there yet that planet was not destroyed in whetever explosion there was.

But let's be honest. It was Shepard.

heh... yea, it is... but you have to admit, an ending with so many inferences that need to be made, with so many things that question logic, isn't the greatest of endings... in fact, to me, it's pretty bad

But with Shepard alive we know none of the systems were destroyed. What's left is whether or not the races can survive without the mass relays. I honestly believe they can...if they believe in themselves.

No, see, without galactic travel about 90% of civilization is going to be doomed.  Most of these worlds can't support plant growth anymore, so no food.  Earth is a prime example of this.  It's a metropolitan world that has most of its surface area used up.  It can't support all those different races.

If the quarians can come up with a way to grow food in their ships then other races can do so in facilities even devoid of sunlight. I don't think you help your argument, however, by throwing out 90%. Where do you ge that?

[Trikormadenadon]

The Angry One wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

"The Blight was ended!" I DONT CARE

Also: Vigil hates this entire ****ing thread.

You know the difference between DA:O and ME3? Many (if not most) loose ends were tied up and every character arc was finished properly. And you also weren't forced to die in all endings nor did you bow to the enemy and let them control you.

Really ME3 closed up a lot of things. I mean stuff I'd almost forgotten about got a revival and resolution - I mean Dr Chloe Michele came back how spare is that. There weren't a lot of unfinished character arcs in 3 either.

The problem isn't that they didn't close up a lot of threads from the first 2 games (the major one being the Haestrom situation) it is that the ending made no sense. I logic of the Reapers is terrible and head-poundingly dumb.

Really so much of this appears to come down to the fact that w/o the Animal House style ending DAO had people don't know what happened and that makes me sad to think that some end cards would blunt 80% of the criticism when that isn't the main problem.

Even if we kept the current horrid endings, I could fix the issue of closure and the fate of the galaxy in 1 minute.

- Leave the mass relays alone (LEAVE THEM ALONE WALK A MILE IN THEIR SHOES ETC.)
- delete the Normandy scene

Add a few Fallout: New Vegas (I'd say Fallout 3 but New Vegas did it MUCH BETTER) style backgrounds and voiceovers.

The end.
Not perfect, but it'd go a long way to making me not feel like crap after finishing it.

This is true, except it's been done to death (even by BW themselves).  I personally want something more for a change.

[Rolando93]

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

Actually here I am assuming. I assume that the game designers wouldn't just show us a random dying asthmatic. But It does seem that the area around whoever it is is pretty scorched up so it must have been hit by the Reapers or really anyone else. It doesn't matter because whoever attacked it must have used a mass relay to get there yet that planet was not destroyed in whetever explosion there was.

But let's be honest. It was Shepard.

heh... yea, it is... but you have to admit, an ending with so many inferences that need to be made, with so many things that question logic, isn't the greatest of endings... in fact, to me, it's pretty bad

I hate that they covered up this fact with the Lots of Speculation logic.  This isn't speculation its fumbling around in the dark.

I think they wanted to give the feeling like "This is what Shepard's reward is." He witnesses peace being brought to the glaxy and he goes knowing that the Reapers were stopped. Not what happens to every one of his friends.

There is no way that peace is brought to the galaxy.  If anything, having the relays destroyed would bring more suffering and conflict to the galaxy then ever before, with civil wars and conflicts waged against each other for food and fuel.  This isn't a happy galaxy it's a broken one.

It all depends on what ending you pick but imagiine how much fuel there is in the downed ships in Earths orbit. Some rations may be recovered. Perhaps they can find ways to artificially grow food. They did artificially rebirth a species of mounts for the krogan in a few months tops. Their fate is honestly whatever you personally make of it right now.

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Rolando93 wrote...

ZiegenkonigIII wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Rolando93 wrote...

If the Sol system did get obliterated then how do we see Shepard at the end of the destroy option. With that piece of evidence I think we all can infer that none of the other relay explosions wiped out any planets.

Do you see Shepard's face? If the citadel exploded, is he laying in rubble in space? On Earth? How did he get back to London without burning up in the atmosphere? 

Without seeing Shep's face, you can't know that is Shepard.  You can only speculate.  You might infer that it's him, but when you have to infer upon other inferences, that's not a very sound inference.

Actually here I am assuming. I assume that the game designers wouldn't just show us a random dying asthmatic. But It does seem that the area around whoever it is is pretty scorched up so it must have been hit by the Reapers or really anyone else. It doesn't matter because whoever attacked it must have used a mass relay to get there yet that planet was not destroyed in whetever explosion there was.

But let's be honest. It was Shepard.

heh... yea, it is... but you have to admit, an ending with so many inferences that need to be made, with so many things that question logic, isn't the greatest of endings... in fact, to me, it's pretty bad

But with Shepard alive we know none of the systems were destroyed. What's left is whether or not the races can survive without the mass relays. I honestly believe they can...if they believe in themselves.

No, see, without galactic travel about 90% of civilization is going to be doomed.  Most of these worlds can't support plant growth anymore, so no food.  Earth is a prime example of this.  It's a metropolitan world that has most of its surface area used up.  It can't support all those different races.

If the quarians can come up with a way to grow food in their ships then other races can do so in facilities even devoid of sunlight. I don't think you help your argument, however, by throwing out 90%. Where do you ge that?

A rough estimate, seeing as how many highly populated worlds are metropolitan (10% would be colonies untouched by the reapers, again this is a rough estimate).  Also, the energy blast causes all ships to be severely damaged, so they will most definitely be making some new ships, which takes time.  Also there is fuel, which is required even when farming in orbit.  There is no fuel, and even if there is, there isn't enough to sustain anyone.

[QwertyMusicMan]

Bumpity bump bump

I would even go as far to say that I don't care about the main plot much. All I do care about in the ME universe is the characters and sidestories, none of which were the focus of ME3's ending. That's why it was dissapointing.

Modifié par QwertyMusicMan, 01 avril 2012 - 07:05 .

[Shaigunjoe]

Rafe34 wrote...

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Then they should have explained wtf happened. Why is it that destroying the relays in this way isn't going to **** up the galaxy? And it doesn't matter anyway as the lack of relays will end up killing a majority of everyone anyway.

Why does throwing salt in water do pretty much nothing aside from lowering the freeze point but throwing lithium in water is a very bad thing?  Thats right space magic...wait, no it's science.

This quote shows you have no clue what the actual problems are. That's a scientific process that is completely explained. What Harbinger says is NOT explained. Neither is Synthesis. It's simply something we're supposed to take at face value.

There is actually very little of the ending that you are supposed to take at face value.

AND you are missing the point of what I was saying.  A little clearer:  It is possible for one thing with provided with a certain type of catalyst (ie, an astroid) will have one response, and when provided with a different kind of catalyst(ie cataclyst) have a different response. There is no way of knowing what happens to a relay when destroyed by the citadel pulse, except that Shep can survive it, which shows that it isn't on the magnitude of what is shown in arrival.  This is pretty clear cut.

Also, I wouldn't take much of what happened between Shep and starchild at face value, that wouldn't make any sense.

[Konfined]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Nathan_41 wrote...

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

I would say the word radical in this situation is describing people who are going over the top by calling others names is they do not believe in their opinion.  Hense, they are radical.

I would certainly agree that that is a valid interpretation, but not the only one. You can still be a radical member of this debate without spamming the capslock key and the full range of English profanity. Konfined mentioned that he/she believes anyone who tries to tell people that they aren't entitled to voicing their opinions, and presumably also, calls the OP selfish for wanting something that he/she normally gets in a Bioware game, and I wouldn't exactly disagree with this interpretation either.

Which is funny, because in another thread awhile ago, Konfined told me I was wrong for having my opinion on the endings.

*shrugs*

There are bad ones on both sides, though, there are worse ones on the anti-ending side. From what I've seen since the game came out.

I honestly don't recall that.  Please provide me with a link.

[Shaigunjoe]

QwertyMusicMan wrote...

Bumpity bump bump

Hahaha, did this thread need a bump?

[Nathan_41]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Nathan_41 wrote...

No offense mate, but if Konfined needs to, so do you. I don't believe I've ever read a dictionary that defined a "Radical" individual as someone who calls others by names or insults them. Just putting it out there.

It's basically being an extremist. Which, I guess is the wrong word. There are people who go too far on both sides (though, tbh, I have yet to see the pro-enders cross the threatening someone elses life line. At least on BSN), would be a more accurate statement.

Thank you, but I am well aware of what the word Radical means. My post was intended to show that if you're going to start quibbling over the literal meanings of another person's choice of words, then you need to apply the same standards to your own posts.

Not trying to insult or just be witty, just saying that while Konfined may have come off fairly antagonistic towards you, his/her interpretation of the word in this instance isn't necessarily incorrect. Or at least, any more than you.

[HenchxNarf]

Konfined wrote...

I honestly don't recall that.  Please provide me with a link.

It could be hundreds and hundreds of pages back. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to dig through threads to find a link. It's over and done with. I brought it up to make a point with something someone said.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 01 avril 2012 - 07:07 .

[CronoDragoon]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

Also, I wouldn't take much of what happened between Shep and starchild at face value, that wouldn't make any sense.

You believe those scenes were some type of vision, I think? Not sarcasm, I think I remember from another thread.