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[Sailfindragon]

I agree. I felt like I was suppose to care that the reapers where finally gone. But I found I just didn't.

[pjotroos]

The Angry One wrote...

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Yeah, that's the point exactly. I'm still shocked it even has to be explained. As the creators of the story, they should be more interested in not trashing their place completely in a space of few minutes.

Modifié par pjotroos, 01 avril 2012 - 09:06 .

[Nathan_41]

Srefanius wrote...

Agree to OP.

This thread started over night for me and over 30 pages already?

Its a heated topic. Small off-hand remarks can turn into massive arguments.

[Joolazoo]

I salute you OP. Just posting to add length to this thread so someone at BIO sees it.

[Pallid]

Yeah, some people trying to say that endings are different, "in one ending every life form is a cyborg, and in other all the organics are obliterated". But these differenses are in the "don't care" territory.

[Nugralsa1]

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

Build your own game

[KingKhan03]

Exactly how i feel.

[sargon1986]

I agree with OP. I don't care about breaking the cycle if it means to sacrifice everything I care about.

[pjotroos]

As for reapers being gone and cycle being broken. You know why we didn't really care? It was foregone conclusion. In any other medium there might've been shadow of the doubt, in-game they obviously felt undestructible, but it is a game after all. That they will be defeated in the end was obvious from the moment they were introduced as a threat. That's how video games work. The interesting part, and what we were invested in, was how we defeat them and what the price will be. Because the method is nonsensical, and the price is so high it might be considered a defeat, there's no satisfaction in that victory. Simple.

[CJMissen]

points I've raised as well, though you say it better.
Amen Reverend

[lillitheris]

Shaigunjoe wrote...

AND you are missing the point of what I was saying.  A little clearer:  It is possible for one thing with provided with a certain type of catalyst (ie, an astroid) will have one response, and when provided with a different kind of catalyst(ie cataclyst) have a different response. There is no way of knowing what happens to a relay when destroyed by the citadel pulse, except that Shep can survive it, which shows that it isn't on the magnitude of what is shown in arrival.  This is pretty clear cut.

No, it's not “clear cut”. It's inexplicable. You're inventing all this (because it's not explained in a canonical and/or logical manner), which is fine for your head canon. Just don't try to claim it's anything else.

We know that 1) the relays contain a ludicrous amount of energy, and 2) they're virtually indestructible. It follows that upon destruction, that energy is released. I guess you could try to argue that the energy is used for the RGB space magic signals, but that makes little sense because the RGB was not a part of Casper's ‘solution’, and thus it would have been pointless to build such support into the relays. It's a rabbit hole of fantastical inventions.

Also, I wouldn't take much of what happened between Shep and starchild at face value, that wouldn't make any sense.

No, of course not.

Hopefully you're happy with the story you've constructed for yourself. Seriously, if it works for you, excellent.

[Hashbeth]

Well said.

[KingKhan03]

i paid 70 bucks for the game it's about me not the galaxy.

[lillitheris]

I was certainly hoping to get a resolution to the whole saving the universe thing. Or, well, galaxy. Big thing anyway.

BUT, since we're (apparently) only able to get resolution to the story arch OR all the characters, I wish they had gone for the characters instead.

Modifié par lillitheris, 01 avril 2012 - 09:16 .

[Eterna]

I think you should, because you know, it's the whole point of the game.

[ThePanzer99]

Agree, well said. Bioware's gotten arrogant over the years. They're use to being the industry golden boy for storytelling and it went to their head. They lost objectivity on how their ending fits in with everything that came before in ME. And the arrogance also shows in thier response to the customer revolt. I've lost so much respect for them and unless they fix it, they'll either never get my money again, or only when their products go to clearance prices.

[lillitheris]

Eterna5 wrote...

I think you should, because you know, it's the whole point of the game.

Did you read the part where it was established that for many (most?) the point were the characters?

[Xenbus]

pjotroos wrote...

As for reapers being gone and cycle being broken. You know why we didn't really care? It was foregone conclusion. In any other medium there might've been shadow of the doubt, in-game they obviously felt undestructible, but it is a game after all. That they will be defeated in the end was obvious from the moment they were introduced as a threat. That's how video games work. The interesting part, and what we were invested in, was how we defeat them and what the price will be. Because the method is nonsensical, and the price is so high it might be considered a defeat, there's no satisfaction in that victory. Simple.

This especially. We came into the story after ME1 knowing we would win against the reapers. Standard Hero game archetype. Presented with threat, overcome threat, it goes without saying when your writing an epic your enemy at the end falls, or what you do leads to their downfall.

We knew that part was coming and we wanted to know how it played out, and the ending shows us so little of how it played out on a personal level to what the character and in turn the player knew, about at the end.

The grand scale when starting was known, we would win but when the cost is so high and everything we know about the galaxy at large is left without any resolution, we aren't invested. When your not invested, it feels hallow and pointless.

[Fulgrim88]

Why, that just shows how your mind is too small to see the beauty of the "big picture".

How can you possibly value silly human relationships over timeless robot logic.

[Cribbian]

I completely agree with OP.

[translationninja]

Y'all just fail to see the complexity and beauty of this Battlestar Deus Ex ending!!! /sarcasm

[RebelByDesign]

I agree with the OP.

Even worse it that it fails as an abstract concept driven ending too. Did I feel Shepard's heroic sacrifice was necessary and accomplished anything? Hell no. My only feeling was that I sure screwed the galaxy pretty hard.

[Verethele]

Word.

[Eterna]

lillitheris wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I think you should, because you know, it's the whole point of the game.

Did you read the part where it was established that for many (most?) the point were the characters?

 Characters are nothing without a plot to develop them.

[Ieldra]

OP, you nailed it. This was always the primary problem - in saving something as abstract as "the future of life in the galaxy", the game destroys everything we care about. Which is, btw, not just characters, but the places and peoples of the ME universe in their interconnectedness.

If they'd deliberately designed the ending to ****** off those most invested in the ME universe, they couldn't have done better.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 avril 2012 - 09:29 .