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[jspiess]

zarnk567 wrote...

Grimez7 wrote...

Exactly. Screw the Yahg.

OMG.... that's right we saved the yahg..... whelp now the universe is doomed anyway now.

there goes the next shadow broker!

[Vhalkyrie]

xsdob wrote...

sometimes I wonder why I even come here anymore. OP's thread is sad, it ignores the goal of stopping the reapers and selfishly focuses on just shepard living and not on the future controlled by a genocidal machine race. The fact that so many other people agree is even worse, it tells of a group of fans who claim to be mature on one side but resort to tantrum throwing that everything didn't end well for us, but might end well for the future, which should be the focus of winning a war.

Things turning out well in the imediate is of little concern, how things turn out for the future is more important.

You know what, screw this, any thread I see the angry one in, I'm just gonna turn around and ignore that thread even exist anymore.

Detonating supernovas that obliterates star systems in order to destroy the genocidal machines?  No.  That is a pyrrhic victory.  The cost is a galaxy wide catastrophe.  It not only destroys the Reapers, but also animals, bugs, bacteria, etc on a GALACTIC scale.  The scope of it is staggering.

[Big Jack Shepard]

pistolols wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

the way i see it, casey hudson made it very clear he was sorry he hurt your feelings and that he knows his most passionate fans needed more time to say goodbye to their video game characters...so not really sure what you're still crying about.  They made a statement about this.  They know how you feel.  So what is this thread possibly accomplishing other than beating a dead horse?

WOW, u r rlly kewl! thnx. Wear can I follow u?!?!?

[krayt298]

Couldn't agree more !

[aliengmr1]

pistolols wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

pistolols wrote...

the way i see it, casey hudson made it very clear he was sorry he hurt your feelings and that he knows his most passionate fans needed more time to say goodbye to their video game characters...so not really sure what you're still crying about.  They made a statement about this.  They know how you feel.  So what is this thread possibly accomplishing other than beating a dead horse?

Possibly because BioWare have been vague and condescending about the whole issue, and I feel the need to express my thoughts now and then.

They know how you feel.  They know how retake movement feels.  This is essentially spam at this point.

Sure glad you're able to read minds. Maybe you could fill us in on DLC details.

[lordofdogtown19]

pistolols wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

pistolols wrote...

the way i see it, casey hudson made it very clear he was sorry he hurt your feelings and that he knows his most passionate fans needed more time to say goodbye to their video game characters...so not really sure what you're still crying about.  They made a statement about this.  They know how you feel.  So what is this thread possibly accomplishing other than beating a dead horse?

Possibly because BioWare have been vague and condescending about the whole issue, and I feel the need to express my thoughts now and then.

They know how you feel.  They know how retake movement feels.  This is essentially spam at this point.

If they knew how we felt they would stop saying "clarify" and start saying "change" 

It's not just the characers they're destorying, it's whole universe they've created and we've grown to love

[WastelanderTim]

aliengmr1 wrote...

pistolols wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

pistolols wrote...

the way i see it, casey hudson made it very clear he was sorry he hurt your feelings and that he knows his most passionate fans needed more time to say goodbye to their video game characters...so not really sure what you're still crying about.  They made a statement about this.  They know how you feel.  So what is this thread possibly accomplishing other than beating a dead horse?

Possibly because BioWare have been vague and condescending about the whole issue, and I feel the need to express my thoughts now and then.

They know how you feel.  They know how retake movement feels.  This is essentially spam at this point.

Sure glad you're able to read minds. Maybe you could fill us in on DLC details.

Id like to know too!

[Beerfish]

Yup The angry one mirrors my thoughts on why the ending failed badly. The big strength of BioWare games are the characters and companions and locations. In the end there was almost dick all on this and they inserted some entity and worse yet the kid and granpa at the end who you could care less about.

I would have felt a lot better about the endings if they would have done something along the lines of how they ended the Baldurs gate series by showing a history or cutscenes of all the compaions that did not buy the farm and show what happened to them and have them talk about Shepard.

BioWare is not alone in this regard for video games though, it is amazing how little is put into some game endings and the end to a 3 part series was especially bad.

[jupitertronic]

Calibrations Expert wrote...

Exactly how I felt the moment I beat the game

Me too. This is why I was so upset at the ending. I was all for Shepard dying at the control panel, until the game went all psychotic in the eleventh hour. Then I got mad, because not only did Shepard die, but it's likely everyone else in the universe will die, too - AND there are no more Mass Relays.

That leaves me with... exactly ZERO things to continue caring about in this universe. Sorry but it's true. As another poster has said, even WW2 vets' journals talked about fighting for their loved ones, not for the good for the world. It's human nature to need to relate it to something personal or else it's hard to care.

Just like everyone's saying, that's why Mordin fought for his favorite nephew. If he didn't have a personal stake in things, he didn't care.

Neither do I.

Modifié par jupitertronic, 01 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[ShepnTali]

Sorry pistolols, we won't STFU.

[nicksmi56]

Agreed 100%. I seem to like alot of your posts. You're cool

[Barbarossa2010]

kidbd15 wrote...

Absolutely agree. I think what BioWare had in mind with the "10,000 years in the future" is that humanity is still in existence... don't know why Bioware thought we would care about that, instead of our personal friends

Because that's what Bioware cares about...and therein lies the problem!

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

pistolols wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

pistolols wrote...

the way i see it, casey hudson made it very clear he was sorry he hurt your feelings and that he knows his most passionate fans needed more time to say goodbye to their video game characters...so not really sure what you're still crying about.  They made a statement about this.  They know how you feel.  So what is this thread possibly accomplishing other than beating a dead horse?

Possibly because BioWare have been vague and condescending about the whole issue, and I feel the need to express my thoughts now and then.

They know how you feel.  They know how retake movement feels.  This is essentially spam at this point.

Because every other threads on the BSN is completely original, right?

[curufinwe03]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Shepard presided over the biggest pyrrhic victory since time began. The Mass Relays blowing up destroys the star systems for hundreds of star clusters. That SHOULD include the Sol System too. Any excuse why this isn't the case is garbage. A visible expanse of light viewable from space means a tremendous amount of energy is released. Why bother showing us what happens when a Mass Relay blows in Arrival if this isn't the case? Every bunny, puppy, bug, or plant in every star system with a mass relay is now reduced to cosmic dust. Shepard accepting any Reaper offer is mutually assured destruction, not a victory.

Let me please be devil's(science's) advocat. That bothered me too, so I made some calculations. A supernova's radiation cannot expand faster then the speed of light and the Charon portal is pretty much at the end of our Sol system, near Pluto(apr. 44AU). Light would travel approximately 5,3 hours from Pluto to Earth. So, if the Charon relay blows up, Earth and the fleet wouldn't notice it for over 5 hours. Then they would all die. Ironicly, also the remnants of the batarian fleet. Well done Shepard.
But hey, maybe this will be clarified in the "clarification DLC" which we are expecting, the rest of the ending cinematic, 5 hours later.

RE: OP I agree completly with you. Mass Effect - and science fiction in general - was always about the characters. We invested the last years in the story and the chracters, loved or hated them and that was destroyed in the last 10 minutes. It just felt like a punch in the stomach, and even if Bioware releases a perfect ending DLC - this is just unforgivable.

[DJBare]

The Angry One wrote...
It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

Well said, it had me wishing we had the option to let the cycle continue, and that's my paragon side.

[zephyr2025]

Like the Battlestar Galactica writer said about his ending, "It's about the characters, stupid!"

[Johcande XX]

Perfectly said.

[FemmeShep]

They cycle is broken,

But not on your terms. It's not a result of freewill or choice. That's why I don't care. Because ultimately, the cycle is broken and a new way of life is forced on everyone. We, the audience, are told that life is not capable enough to use their freewill to work out their differences, so some higher AI is going to force you into its existance.

It reminds me of a parent smacking a child's hand down, and forcing them to adhere to their rules, even if their rules aren't logical. 

Modifié par FemmeShep, 01 avril 2012 - 02:44 .

[Quietness]

FemmeShep wrote...

They cycle is broken,

But not on your terms. It's not a result of freewill or choice. That's why I don't care. Because ultimately, the cycle is broken and a new way of life is forced on everyone. We, the audience, are told that life is not capable enough to use their freewill to work out their differences, so some higher AI is going to force you into its existance.

It reminds me of a parent smacking a child's hand down, and forcing them to adhere to their rules, even if their rules aren't logical. 

"Because i said so" /throwmonitor

[Big Jack Shepard]

zephyr2025 wrote...

Like the Battlestar Galactica writer said about his ending, "It's about the characters, stupid!"

I am literally LOL'ing. On a bigger board than this one people were trying to say that that dookie don't stank. Poor RDM, what a colossal failure.

[Arturia Pendragon]

[Isichar]

Quietness wrote...

FemmeShep wrote...

They cycle is broken,

But not on your terms. It's not a result of freewill or choice. That's why I don't care. Because ultimately, the cycle is broken and a new way of life is forced on everyone. We, the audience, are told that life is not capable enough to use their freewill to work out their differences, so some higher AI is going to force you into its existance.

It reminds me of a parent smacking a child's hand down, and forcing them to adhere to their rules, even if their rules aren't logical. 

"Because i said so" /throwmonitor

Iv gone through about 7 monitors because of that since this started. But i think iv proven my point

[Sepharih]

 There's a saying in I saw quoted in an article that I don't know the origin of which pretty much describes this entire fiasco:
"Nobody cares about the events in your story.  They care about how it affects the characters."
Why was the Tuchanka and Genophage story arc the single greatest part of this game?  While it didn't hurt, it's not because of the moral dileema of curing the genophage....it's because of the relationship you've built up with Urdnot Wrex and Mordin's sacrifice.
The Quarian and Geth story arc was the same.  The emotional climax of that subplot wasn't the Quarians and the Geth coming together or destroying each other.  It was how it affected Legion and Tali.

Ergo:
Nobody cares about the fact that some random aliens in the future won't have to fight giant synthetic monsters.  They care about what happend to the characters that we fell in love with over the course of the games.

Modifié par Sepharih, 01 avril 2012 - 02:48 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

THIS.

That's what I always think when I listen or read to "oh, but there are so much possibilities for the future". SO WHAT? So what of what's next? There are no mass relays! There's no galactic communication, exploration, WHO CARES. All those possibilities and the Mass Effect universe as we have known...NO MORE. FOREVER.

The point is, it's because of reaper technology that we've got to have this story. I know that the plot and lore always played with the concept of abandoning reaper technology, we could see it coming but it's because of it that we have Mass Effect. Abandoning it, is abandoning Mass Effect.

[Mev186]

The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.

Yes, Yes... a thousand times YES!

Whats the use of ending some cycle when Earth's resources will be depleated by the armies you assembled and most of your crew will be stranged on some backwater world anyway ?