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#126
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HenchxNarf wrote...

xsdob wrote...

sometimes I wonder why I even come here anymore. OP's thread is sad, it ignores the goal of stopping the reapers and selfishly focuses on just shepard living and not on the future controlled by a genocidal machine race. The fact that so many other people agree is even worse, it tells of a group of fans who claim to be mature on one side but resort to tantrum throwing that everything didn't end well for us, but might end well for the future, which should be the focus of winning a war.

Things turning out well in the imediate is of little concern, how things turn out for the future is more important.

You know what, screw this, any thread I see the angry one in, I'm just gonna turn around and ignore that thread even exist anymore.


That's how you should treat them anyway. All they do is flamebait those with different opinions, and they all but admitted it as well.

I disagree so much with this post. As you said, xsdob, it's very selfish. War doesn't matter to them.  All they want is their blue/Quarian/Turian babies, and eff the rest of the galaxy.


There's a difference between disagreeing with something debatable, and disagreeing with something that has been proven inumerous ways to be complete s***. This is fact, and discussing facts is really annoying.
That's the reason of the flamebat, because the "shep needs better fans" people are the equivalent of a rapist on a peace convention.

People here are speaking facts. The game was character driven, I'm sorry if you missed it, go back and play again 1 through 3. If you still don't get it, go read some books or watch some movies and learn somethings about narrative, character focus and coherence.

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

It's very short-sighted to say that the future doesn't matter when it did matter and does matter. Why did Garrus, Wrex, Tali, etc. help you in the first place? Because they saw the danger of the Reapers. They didn't up and decide to help Shepard because he/she was such an awesome person that they wanted to hang out with him/her. Those friendships develop naturally during the course of Shepard's fight to stop the Reapers, but those people initially stay with Shepard because they want to make really sure that there's a future for themselves and their people.

I certainly didn't fight against Sovereign or the Collectors because I loved Kaidan or because I developed a deep and abiding friendship with Garrus. I was fighting for something bigger than any of that. My friends and LIs inspired loyalty and feelings of camaraderie and were an important part of the journey. They gave me a reason to keep going in what seemed like a futile fight to be sure, but it was ultimately about finding a way to break the cycle and to make certain that there would be a future for others - even if that didn't include my Shepard or my friends.

If you're a determined pessimist, then of course you believe that there's no future or hope and that everything you love is gone, in which case so be it. Some of us just don't see it that way and have an optimistic outlook as far as that goes.


There's a difference between being an optomist and someone operating inside of the rules of the world as has been provided to us. I see you love the synthesis ending. So what is going to happen now that you have destroyed all the ecosystems by turning all plant and animal life into partial synthetic (remind you that they said all organic life). What is going to happen to civilizations as viruses become partially synthetic, and they begin to think for themselves? How are you going to stop them when all the cures created do nothing as they have changed DNA structuring completely?

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wathc me tyep wrote...

Too ****ing bad. It's not about you, it's about the galaxy.


My 80 dollars tells me that it is ALL ABOUT ME.

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I agree with the OP.

I played ME3 because I cared about the characters. I don't give a hoot for some random people in the future.

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Hmm maybe if we all jump into a beam of energy somewhere we can save someone 10,000 years in the future??? I personally don't give a F about that but maybe I am supposed to....

If I knew Hudson or Walters personally and was close to them they would never hear the end of this. The teasing would be non stop.

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Big Jack Shepard wrote...

wathc me tyep wrote...

Too ****ing bad. It's not about you, it's about the galaxy.


My 80 dollars tells me that it is ALL ABOUT ME.


Plus all that other money youv sunk into the series ME1, ME2, all that DLC...

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Well, I would add that I would care - and I did care - about the long term future of the galaxy before the endings. But seeing that the only option available is to completely disregard the characters I came to know and love, and leave them in an empty void, that made me not care about the future.
One just isn't valuable to me without the other, so to speak.

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Big Jack Shepard wrote...

wathc me tyep wrote...

Too ****ing bad. It's not about you, it's about the galaxy.


My 80 dollars tells me that it is ALL ABOUT ME.


this

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We had enough sacrifice, we lost enough, we can say we want a happy ending, its not some bad thing to say, we deserve it goddammit. Shepard deserves it...

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Completely agree.

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aliengmr1 wrote...

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THIS.

That's what I always think when I listen or read to "oh, but there are so much possibilities for the future". SO WHAT? So what of what's next? There are no mass relays! There's no galactic communication, exploration, WHO CARES. All those possibilities and the Mass Effect universe as we have known...NO MORE. FOREVER.

The point is, it's because of reaper technology that we've got to have this story. I know that the plot and lore always played with the concept of abandoning reaper technology, we could see it coming but it's because of it that we have Mass Effect. Abandoning it, is abandoning Mass Effect.


I am ok with hijacking the mass relays from the Reapers. Trophies of war.

Yeah, me too. The fear should be of the reapers, not all their technology necessarilly. People were afraid of what lied beyond the mass relays once and they drove technology forward 1000 years. Yes I am playing a bit of TIM here.  In the end, TIM was right too. They even let Shep has control of the reapers a little bit. I don't know why in the end they played the card of "you're really not ready, their technology will go boom". Until that they were always dealing in shades of grey.

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So the one time I write a long winded, no holds barred emotional post, nobody cares. Figures, heh. :lol::wizard:

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vivaladricas wrote...

Hmm maybe if we all jump into a beam of energy somewhere we can save someone 10,000 years in the future??? I personally don't give a F about that but maybe I am supposed to....

If I knew Hudson or Walters personally and was close to them they would never hear the end of this. The teasing would be non stop.


Forget that energy beam stuff, I have some purple grape juice in this barrell right here...

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xsdob wrote...

sometimes I wonder why I even come here anymore. OP's thread is sad, it ignores the goal of stopping the reapers and selfishly focuses on just shepard living and not on the future controlled by a genocidal machine race. The fact that so many other people agree is even worse, it tells of a group of fans who claim to be mature on one side but resort to tantrum throwing that everything didn't end well for us, but might end well for the future, which should be the focus of winning a war.

Things turning out well in the imediate is of little concern, how things turn out for the future is more important.

You know what, screw this, any thread I see the angry one in, I'm just gonna turn around and ignore that thread even exist anymore.


Good because you pro-ending idiots aren't needed anyway.

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Jere85 wrote...

We had enough sacrifice, we lost enough, we can say we want a happy ending, its not some bad thing to say, we deserve it goddammit. Shepard deserves it...


They are the Grimedgy kids man, forget it.
They probably just watched The Fight Club for the first time and think that grimdark stuff is cool everywhere, even out of context.

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OP I completely agree with you. I could care less about some kid 40 thousand years from now being told about "the shepard." I care about the characters I have gotten to know over 3 games.

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Persephone wrote...

This is a beautiful, understamdable sentiment.

While I DO care about the cycle being broken in the long run, I understand how being attached and invested in the galaxy as it was presented throughout the trilogy leaves you embittered, saddened and disappointed. Loghain says "The currency of war is life. You pay it and hope that the outcome is worthwhile." Now what defines worthwhile varies from person to person. I went into ME3 knowing that a happy ending was unlikely. I did not even want one. And ME3 delivered on the sacrifice, emotional breakdown and tragedy front. I do miss that...glimmer of hope sometimes though. The confirmation that seeing Shepard going through hell meant a better life for those he/she was trying so hard to protect. Now, I appreciate realistic outcomes, hence me not wanting a fluffy ending negating all the anguish that came before.

I am torn. Torn between the battle scarred, bittersweet outcome I was hoping for and did not get and the desire to see just what these endings meant exactly. Maybe Bioware's content initiatives will shed light on that, I don't know. All I know is that, after finishing ME3 again tonight... I am sitting here, tears still streaming down my face as I think of those final hours on earth, all those sacrifices by people Shepard cared about....and then...a vacuum. I could fill it with my own interpretation and I often do. But now, as I think of Shepard saying Goodbye to Kaidan and her remembering Thane, Mordin, Legion and all the psychological anguish she went through,,,, I feel disheartened. Saddened. I also feel amazed at a game affecting me emotionally on such a level. It hasn't happened before, I will admit that. Not even Gabriel Knight II or DAII (Shush!) got to me like this.

What lies in store now? Only Bioware knows that at this point. I do not want retcons or blue babies. I do want my efforts to mean something to those Shepard held dear though. In my heart of hearts I want this. I feel a sense of accomplishment, knowing that Liah Shepard's sacrifice preserved something. Anything worth living for. But the idea that nobody she cared about made it out alive of that hellhole of a war sure is a thorn in my sentimental heart. At the end of the day, pragmatism and logic carry a lot of weight. Yet, as a human being, I cannot help but agonize over all of these losses, efforts and triumphs fading into oblivion because....why? Because life sucks and that's how it is? 

Concluding I'll quote a fave book of mine, Margaret George's "The Memoir's Of Cleopatra":

"You must bear losses like a soldier, bravely and without complaint. And just when the day seems lost, grab your shield for another stand, another thrust forward. THAT is the juncture separating heroes from the merely strong." (Gaius Julius Caesar)

My Shepard's motto, plain and simple. I just hope that that last stand, that final thrust forward meant...something. Anything. 


Thats the thing, where "blue babies" would be nice for one of the many possible outcomes we should have gotten, what is more important is the difference between if the universe has been ripped apart after removing all choice from the equation. I personally dont care far into the future as i have been given no reason to, up until recently this may have well been the last mass effect game. In my eyes, what does it matter if 10k years in the future spaceflight is a myth? I would like to know what has happened to those that we've been forced (in a good way) to draw an emotional connection with.

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101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Good because you pro-ending idiots aren't needed anyway.


Was that REALLY necessary? :pinched:

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Grimez7 wrote...

Exactly. Screw the Yahg.


Giggidy

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Persephone wrote...

So the one time I write a long winded, no holds barred emotional post, nobody cares. Figures, heh. :lol::wizard:


I saw it and responded, but a flood of messages came in between.
Of course again I'm not saying that wanting a long term future for the galaxy isn't valid, because it is. But I personally am just not invested in that alone. I can't look back and think it was all worth it if none of the characters I fought for even get a chance at a future.

Even if Shepard is sacrificed. Especially if Shepard is sacrificed, which is a point certain other people have seemed to miss.

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Big Jack Shepard wrote...

wathc me tyep wrote...

Too ****ing bad. It's not about you, it's about the galaxy.


My 80 dollars tells me that it is ALL ABOUT ME.


Your $80 isn't any superior to everyone else's Money spent purchasing this game. So it's not all about you. everyone is equal now isn't it?

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Persephone wrote...

So the one time I write a long winded, no holds barred emotional post, nobody cares. Figures, heh. :lol::wizard:


O I saw it but it was far too neutral and well written that I had nothing to add. That and this is the internet so add a few insults like "entitled and whiner" :P

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101ezylonhxeT wrote...


Good because you pro-ending idiots aren't needed anyway.


And we're the bad ones.

Look in the mirror and then re-evaluate that statement.

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Big Jack Shepard wrote...

Forget that energy beam stuff, I have some purple grape juice in this barrell right here...


You harvesting humans with that?  You dirty.... thats it I am going to shoot a generator somewhere.... I dont know what it will do but..... yeah   

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Dridengx wrote...

Big Jack Shepard wrote...

wathc me tyep wrote...

Too ****ing bad. It's not about you, it's about the galaxy.


My 80 dollars tells me that it is ALL ABOUT ME.


Your $80 isn't any superior to everyone else's Money spent purchasing this game. So it's not all about you. everyone is equal now isn't it?


Come on, I know you can do better than that. This an off night for you or what?