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#201
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Isichar wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Yet you enter a thread for someone who obviously dislikes the ending and flames the thread? Hey if hes a flamebaiter then you came knowingly running here ready to argue, so how are you any better?


Because I gave an opinion as to why I disagree with this thread.


Yeah we are all whiney children who didnt get our fairytale ending? Ok heres my opinion. Pro-enders ignore logic because they want to blindly accept anything bioware puts out as art.


How about this:

Most people who dislike the endings aren't whiny children. (I hope) And most who enjoyed the endings enjoy them for perfectly valid reasons. 

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

"The Blight was ended!" I DONT CARE

Also: Vigil hates this entire ****ing thread.



You know the difference between DA:O and ME3? Many (if not most) loose ends were tied up and every character arc was finished properly. And you also weren't forced to die in all endings nor did you bow to the enemy and let them control you.

Modifié par Zardoc, 01 avril 2012 - 03:24 .


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There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

Such is often times the bleak existence of the galaxy's hero.  Your selfless sacrifice through perseverance and tenacity will pay dividends to future generations.  Though you cannot hang out with Garrus, and you have no idea exactly just what the hell happened...the cycle is broken.

Did Ceasar CARE when he conquered Iceland?  No.
Did Columbus CARE when he discovered Rancho Cucamonga? No, of course he didn't.

But due to these selfless acts of courage and sacrifice, we have endured.  Life adapts and endures, like the Krogan.

In other words, tough sh*t.  You're a damn hero, even though it doesn't feel like.  At least I think you are.  We may have to get some clarification from Bioware.:D

#204
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The Angry One wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

The only minority are you and all the freaks who like the endings.


Enough with the ****** for tat. You get nowhere by hating people just for liking the endings just like certain people get nowhere coming here to incite. Just drop it.


Fine...i still hate them though.

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This reason is why I hated the post credit scene. I don't give a **** about what happens 1000's of years in the future after everyone I care about is dead.

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But, how do we know the cycle really ends after synthesis. We're shown at the end, with Joker and EDI, that life still is different enough to harbor some sort of prejudice. Who's to say these new organo-synthetics won't come up with some new sort of intelligence that might have to be culled every...lets say...50,000 years, before it gets uppity and wipes all organo-synthetic live from the universe?

Yea...It makes no sense.

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I care a shed load about both. Can I still get a better ending?

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 01 avril 2012 - 03:24 .


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Upsettingshorts wrote...

"The Blight was ended!" I DONT CARE

Also: Vigil hates this entire ****ing thread.


Ending the Blight didn't throw Thedas into a dark age (well, darker age) that will last tens of thousands of years, and Vigil is a VI without the ability to hate.

Modifié par DaeJi, 01 avril 2012 - 03:24 .


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Well, I care about the Reapers being stopped, but I agree with what you're saying. I don't give a damn about some old guy and some little kid; frankly, after the Catalyst, any time I see some boy in real life wearing a grey hoodie I have these horrible like 'Nam flashbacks.

I had hoped that when ME3 ended the galaxy would be in such a state where I could imagine what happened to all these different characters that I love. This way, everyone who played through the trilogy would have different imaginings of how their favorite characters ended up. It could lead to fun discussions and such. Now . . . I know how the galaxy ends up, I know everyone ends up on this jungle planet, I know some grandpa is somehow explaining the whole IP to so kid.

I feel like the longer I have to deal with these endings, the more insane I becoe. I think I'm going feral or something.

#210
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Persephone wrote...

Isichar wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Yet you enter a thread for someone who obviously dislikes the ending and flames the thread? Hey if hes a flamebaiter then you came knowingly running here ready to argue, so how are you any better?


Because I gave an opinion as to why I disagree with this thread.


Yeah we are all whiney children who didnt get our fairytale ending? Ok heres my opinion. Pro-enders ignore logic because they want to blindly accept anything bioware puts out as art.


How about this:

Most people who dislike the endings aren't whiny children. (I hope) And most who enjoyed the endings enjoy them for perfectly valid reasons. 


There is no valid reason for liking the endings.

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forsaken gamer wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

Such is often times the bleak existence of the galaxy's hero.  Your selfless sacrifice through perseverance and tenacity will pay dividends to future generations.  Though you cannot hang out with Garrus, and you have no idea exactly just what the hell happened...the cycle is broken.



We know that galactic society has collapsed for the next 10,000 years.
We know our crew will die on a jungle planet.

These two aspects of the ending were entirely gratuitous and unecesarry. There was no narrative reason for the mass relays to explode, and no reason to maroon the Normandy other than a cheap and quick attempt at condesendingly assuring us the crew is okay (while unintentionally murdering them with radiation).

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The Angry One wrote...

It's come up in a few discussions now and then from various people that, no matter what the consequences of the ending, the cycle is in fact broken, Reapers are no longer a threat and future races will be free of bad Reaper influence, being culled etc. etc.

There's one issue I have with this: I DON'T CARE.

I got into Mass Effect because I became invested into the galaxy, it's various races and the galaxy.
I don't care whether the Yahg are now free to expand across the galaxy and eat puppies or whatever it is they do.
I don't care that in 10, 20, 30,000 years there'll be some form of galactic society again and I certainly don't care what some senile old man has to say to his naive grandson 10,000 years in the future on some backwater world I don't know and don't give a damn about!

I care about this galaxy, as is. I care about Garrus, about Liara, about Kaidan, about Tali building her home on Rannoch, about Wrex raising his new children. I care about Jack and her students, about Conrad, about Bailey. I care about the Turians, the Asari, the Quarians, the Geth, the Krogans.
Heck I even care about Vega and his N7 promotion.

That's what I care about, the characters I've gotten to know for 3 games. Not some nebulous, unseen and uneeded future. For that, you might as well let the Reapers win, because it amounts to exactly the same thing in the end. This isn't just about Shepard's unhappy ending. I want a happy ending, but even if it had to be a sacrifice, then I want that sacrifice to mean something other than some alien I don't care about not fearing the robotic squids from hell.


Back of the net, sir.

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I don't see how anyone can like the ending, but more power to them. Unless they are those EA people that are paid to post at sites..... hmmmm

j/k

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101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Isichar wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Yet you enter a thread for someone who obviously dislikes the ending and flames the thread? Hey if hes a flamebaiter then you came knowingly running here ready to argue, so how are you any better?


Because I gave an opinion as to why I disagree with this thread.


Yeah we are all whiney children who didnt get our fairytale ending? Ok heres my opinion. Pro-enders ignore logic because they want to blindly accept anything bioware puts out as art.


How about this:

Most people who dislike the endings aren't whiny children. (I hope) And most who enjoyed the endings enjoy them for perfectly valid reasons. 


There is no valid reason for liking the endings.



Well, I liked them in DeusEx.

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

"The Blight was ended!" I DONT CARE

Also: Vigil hates this entire ****ing thread.


See, the Ultimate Sacrifice ending to DA:O was brilliant. I personally sacrificed my Amell character because she was doomed from the start in my mind. It worked because I saw what happened to all the people she cared about afterwards. I learnt that Sten went back home saying that he met "one" worthy human being. I learnt that Oghren named his kid after her. I learnt that Alistair became a mess because his loved one died. I had closure, resolution.

We have none of these things in the ME3's endings. I don't know how Garrus is gonna cope with Shep's death. I don't know if Wrex will ever be able to go back to Tuchanka and to see Baraka and their little Mordin. I don't know if the forces I united are going to be able to make it home. I can only speculate. And no, it's not good, it's lazy writing and it goes completely against what the game was all about in the first place.

Modifié par Karrie788, 01 avril 2012 - 03:31 .


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101ezylonhxeT wrote...


There is no valid reason for liking the endings.


As someone who hates the endings on every level it is possible to hate something, this is not true. There are many valid reasons for anyone who wants to to like, even love the endings.

There are no valid reasons for saying the endings are good though.

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vivaladricas wrote...

I don't see how anyone can like the ending, but more power to them. Unless they are those EA people that are paid to post at sites..... hmmmm

j/k


The majority are Casey Hudson's alternate accounts.

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DaeJi wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...


There is no valid reason for liking the endings.


As someone who hates the endings on every level it is possible to hate something, this is not true. There are many valid reasons for anyone who wants to to like, even love the endings.

There are no valid reasons for saying the endings are good though.


this

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101ezylonhxeT wrote...

There is no valid reason for liking the endings.


For the love of CHRIST......

That's exactly why.......ah, what's the use.....:pinched:

Modifié par Persephone, 01 avril 2012 - 03:26 .


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Bioware forgot why we cared. They forgot why we fought.

Most of us fought, not to "save the galaxy". Actually, scratch that. That WAS the original, nebulous goal.

... But along the way, the galaxy became less important than the personal friends and family we grew to love, respect, and fight for.

Tali's home on Rannoch won't save the galaxy... but you're damn right I fought like hell to win it for her. I don't care if curing the genophage helps stop the reapers; I only cared because Wrex and Mordin made doing it something personal and painful to me as well (especially after seeing Wrex struggle with it on Virmire). I care far more about a certain Blue Rose of Illium than I do about some kid and grandpa 10,000 years in the future. I care more about Conrad, a tubby Biotic God, and a repeatedly-punched reporter than I do about some last-minute Starbaby with terrible logic.

Every option we're given makes me feel sick. Every option makes me feel like a VILLAIN. I either kill my friends, force everyone to synthesize against their will, or obtain the arrogance that I can control god-like power like TIM, and ultimately I STILL blow up all of galactic civilization without even the benefit of a "how or "why" from my Shepard.

Shepard's final act, in my mind, is entirely self-centered. It violates not only his or her personal morality, no matter Paragon or Renegade, but it also violates and destroys all the hopes, dreams, and motivations of many of the rest of your crew, the same cry that fought, bled, and died believing in a cause you ultimately failed to uphold.

Do you REALLY think Wrex would ever fight for you knowing you'd strand his butt on earth away from Tuchanka and Eve? Do you think Tali would put so much faith and love into you knowing you'd doom her entire species to a hundred generations without their homeworld? Do you think the turian fleet would've given you their support knowing you'd strand them in a solar system that in no way whatsoever can even FEED them after you blow up their one and only route home?

How many of your allies would abandon you if they knew the choice you'd make?

And all this time, I was fighting for THEM.


I agree, so many of the decisions i.e. best possible outcomes, seem like villainous ones in my mind. What really brought this perception to the forefront was when I was so disillusioned by the fact that our choices don't matter (in my 1st playthrough) that I chose to do a decisionless playthrough w/ an ME2 import. I was revolted by the default decisions.

I do not believe that the lead developers for this game are true science fictions fans. Or, for that matter, fans of coherent storytelling that would require a Masters Degree in English Literature. I think that they are business men.

#221
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DaeJi wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...


There is no valid reason for liking the endings.


As someone who hates the endings on every level it is possible to hate something, this is not true. There are many valid reasons for anyone who wants to to like, even love the endings.

There are no valid reasons for saying the endings are good though.


As i said there are no valid reasons to like the endings period.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 01 avril 2012 - 03:27 .


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The Angry One wrote...

We know that galactic society has collapsed for the next 10,000 years.


Longer. Listen to the old man and his grandson again, they are talking about maybe in the future being able to visit other worlds. We don't even get a tease at a newly united galaxy.

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Persephone wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

There is no valid reason for liking the endings.


For the love of CHRIST......

That's exactly why.......ah, what's the use.....:pinched:


Dude. Stop headbutting that wall! :o

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101ezylonhxeT wrote...


There is no valid reason for liking the endings.


Actually, there are. The themes that are introduced are interesting. Personally I think they're completely out of place but some people can appreciate or even love them. No need to attack them or hate them for having an opinion. Freedom of speech is important.

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