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[SaleemRa]

I dont get all the insults? K so you like/dont like the ending or how it was written, good for you. Anti enders call pro enders hipster etc, pro enders keep saying you dont "get it", for what? Everyone has different tastes. Some ppl like curry others dont life's like that.

Instead of ragging on someones opinion, post lots on why you like/dont like it. All these "questions" to the pro enders are really the Anti's trying to show off perceived "intelectual superiority" as well since your literally calling the Pro's out to verbally spar with them. Your being just as "hipster" or whatever as the the guys who said you dont "get it".

To the Pro's - enough already with the "you dont get it" jabs. Internet forums are not a good communication tool, ppl cant really guage what your saying since there is no body language etc. You know the Anti's dont like it so stop already, just say you like it and what you like about it and be done.

Personally I like the endings but I dont think that there is anything to "get". I like them because of the reasons I mentioned in this thread (pg 20 btw). If Bioware keeps the endings I'll be fine with it - not the end of the world. If they change it great, another reason to play again. Either way I spent a lot of money on this game so I WILL get my money's worth out of it and be entertained.

The end of the day YOU and only YOU can control how much you enjoy something - its the reason why some ppl can enjoy crap movies or poorly written pulp fiction. Everybody stop getting your knickers in a twist!

[Dresden867]

Well, for my part, I have never once said "you don't get it" and, for allowing that there are things I like about the ending, been flamed somewhere past "well done" and to "why the heck do I read this forum?".

I think there's a middle ground, but people seem to be angry that I am not into groupthink. /grin

[kalasaurus]

I just stay out of it. That's my general rule when it comes to internet flame wars- they're not worth it. I hate the ending, but if someone else likes it I'm not going to give them a hard time about it. I'm happy that there are people who enjoy the ending. I wish that I could have too.

[Dartbeast54q]

Its the same on every internet forum, you have two opposed groups and they dont have to deal with each other irl so they throw all respect into the wind and put on their pot helmet and dish out the insults like its a feeding frenzy.

personally its fun to read, i love watching a good flame fest but it does much discredit to both sides in actuality.

[ticklefist]

Dresden867 wrote...

Well, for my part, I have never once said "you don't get it" and, for allowing that there are things I like about the ending, been flamed somewhere past "well done" and to "why the heck do I read this forum?".

I think there's a middle ground, but people seem to be angry that I am not into groupthink. /grin

Nice try. It's not group think. It's not mob mentality. People just have this knack for agreeing with the obvious.

[KingKhan03]

Man i just want a better ending....

[PsyrenY]

And here we go.

[Ajna]

GlassElephant wrote...

I just stay out of it. That's my general rule when it comes to internet flame wars- they're not worth it. I hate the ending, but if someone else likes it I'm not going to give them a hard time about it. I'm happy that there are people who enjoy the ending. I wish that I could have too.

This

[chester013]

Well a lot of pro-anti (slightly more with pro enders I have noticed) tend to post something insulting about people with different opinions. Then the flame war starts.

[DJBare]

Optimystic_X wrote...

And here we go.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Dresden867]

ticklefist wrote...

Nice try. It's not group think. It's not mob mentality. People just have this knack for agreeing with the obvious.

See this right here? This is -why- I hate having a middle ground position.

It's not that obvious to me. That opinion is not made invalid by yours. Kindly stuff your condesenscion up your orifice of your choosing.

[SaleemRa]

ticklefist wrote...

Dresden867 wrote...

Well, for my part, I have never once said "you don't get it" and, for allowing that there are things I like about the ending, been flamed somewhere past "well done" and to "why the heck do I read this forum?".

I think there's a middle ground, but people seem to be angry that I am not into groupthink. /grin

Nice try. It's not group think. It's not mob mentality. People just have this knack for agreeing with the obvious.

This is exactly what I am talking about! Why do you either of you have to add in that extra remark? 
"People angry about me not being part of group think" or "People have a knack for agreeing with the obvious" your both flame baiting since some one is going to get riled up over it. I have two todlers who are always fighting - and they get along better then alot of the posters on this forum. Seriously these kind of ****** for tat antics put brats to shame.

[Elyiia]

There's a few people who specifically try to make "anti-enders" angry and insulting. I haven't seen that many insults tbh, the mods do a good job.

[Dresden867]

Sure, but I feel that way about -both- sides. That seems to be the mindset. "RAWR, HOW DARE YOU NOT AGREE WITH US RAWR.

Call it whatever you will. I felt like "groupthink" described it adequately for both sides of the fence.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

I was hanging out at the faculty, and I was speaking with someone about something, and he referenced the ending of ME3, something he knows nothing of, but on which we spoke earlier. Another friend overheard that, and said that he actually didn't mind the endings at all. I asked him whether he had played 1 and 2, and he did. I then told him "well, there are enough articles online that explain in detail why the ending is so bad.....but if you don't mind, I really don't want to get in to it right now." "Haha, me neither!" And that was that.

So, what I'm trying to say is: You like the ending? Fine. You don't like it? Fine too. Just don't waste your time and effort trying to convince the other party. Just let them be.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Dresden867 wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

Nice try. It's not group think. It's not mob mentality. People just have this knack for agreeing with the obvious.

See this right here? This is -why- I hate having a middle ground position.

It's not that obvious to me. That opinion is not made invalid by yours. Kindly stuff your condesenscion up your orifice of your choosing.

Yeah, but, Dresden, it's kinda hard to find a middle ground with this. I mean, either you're for change, or you're not. There IS no mddle ground. The most miniscule of changes is still a change nonetheless.

[Legendaryred]

Many pro-endings always try to start flame wars while asking for a "legitimate" question or something similar. It's not that anti-ending people try to show off as superior, most try to point plot holes, inconsistencies etc. I would like to point out that i never called any pro-endings hipsters, but a few pro-endings have told us that we deserved to get shot.

[EsterCloat]

Because certain individuals, instead of debating the merits of the ending, think insulting the actual people on the other side of the argument as proper conducive dialogue. As if insults are going to invoke shame on their target instead of just anger and more insults.These people seem to not think things through.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 01 avril 2012 - 09:17 .

[Total Biscuit]

Alot of it is simply arguments getting out of hand.

Liking or not liking the endings is to a degree a subjective matter of opinion. There's a point where defending your position overlaps with attacking someone else's, and that's where the trouble starts. If you genuinely can't even see or understand the other persons viewpoint, then it's human nature to demonise the other person as 'wrong'.

I personally think we should all stand together on this subject though. Even if you love very single aspect of the ending, it's clear most people don't, and in a game that is built on choice, where we were promised multiple different endings and outcomes that would fit our Shepards stories, to end up with one ending in 3 colours, all with the same grim dark tone and barely distinguishable variations is a terrible thing, even if those three variations are exactly what you wanted.

I'd implore the pro enders to stand by their fellow fans, and help us all to get the same level of satisfaction and enjoyment from he series we all love as hey have now. Remember this is always going to be an OPTIONAL DLC, even if it gets made, no one will be forced to get it if by don't feel he need for it. And even if you are happy, is more variety in the endings really a bad thing? Won't it just give you more replay value, more paths to take your Shepard on? More Mass Effect to see and experience?

This isnt an us vs them scenario, this is just making sure we all get the things we not just want, but we were actually promised.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 01 avril 2012 - 09:20 .

[moater boat]

http://xkcd.com/386/

[Militarized]

While I concede that liking or not liking the ending is technically subjective, I'm also of the opinion that the people who DO like it have either not played ME1 or ME2 or do not have good critical thinking skills. Mostly what I hear about it is that it is "deep".... which isn't subjective in my opinion, it isn't deep. Which shows a lack of being read IMO.

But I'm an openly admitted ahole so that's just me.

[TODD9999]

Yeah, it's unfortunate. Even those trying to show themselves to be reasonable often slip in some sort of comment about how their side is right/the other side is wrong, and possibly why (which is often an insult). Of course you think your side is right, otherwise you wouldn't be saying the things you do in its favor.

And of course, once the first person breaks the seal, the other side retaliates, everyone paints everyone on the other side with the same brush, etc. But hey, that's the internet for you.

[SaleemRa]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Alot of it is simply arguments getting out of hand.

Liking or not liking the endings is to a degree a subjective matter of opinion. There's a point where defending your position overlaps with attacking someone else's, and that's where the trouble starts. If you genuinely can't even see or understand the other persons viewpoint, then it's human nature to demonise the other person as 'wrong'.

I personally think we should all stand together on this subject though. Even if you love very single aspect of the ending, it's clear most people don't, and in a game that is built on choice, where we were promised multiple different endings and outcomes that would fit our Shepards stories, to end up with one ending in 3 colours, all with the same grim dark tone and barely distinguishable variations is a terrible thing, even if those three variations are exactly what you wanted.

I'd implore the pro enders to stand by their fellow fans, and help us all to get the same level of satisfaction and enjoyment from he series we all love as hey have now. Remember this is always going to be an OPTIONAL DLC, even if it gets made, no one will be forced to get it if by don't feel he need for it. And even if you are happy, is more variety in the endings really a bad thing? Won't it just give you more replay value, more paths to take your Shepard on? More Mass Effect to see and experience?

This isnt an us vs them scenario, this is just making sure we all get the things we not just want, but we were actually promised.

I support this!

[Dresden867]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Yeah, but, Dresden, it's kinda hard to find a middle ground with this. I mean, either you're for change, or you're not. There IS no mddle ground. The most miniscule of changes is still a change nonetheless.

 Is. I would like minor clarifications on the pieces that do not presently make sense (from my perspective). I would like a bit of epilogue material for some closure.  I do not feel the whole thing needs scrapped and rewritten.

 I am for -very minor- selective change, but do not regard the existence of the Starchild as the end of the franchise.

 To me, that seems like a middle space between some very extreme positions (such as Indoc Theory)

Modifié par Dresden867, 01 avril 2012 - 09:25 .

[ZiegenkonigIII]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Alot of it is simply arguments getting out of hand.

Liking or not liking the endings is to a degree a subjective matter of opinion. There's a point where defending your position overlaps with attacking someone else's, and that's where the trouble starts. If you genuinely can't even see or understand the other persons viewpoint, then it's human nature to demonise the other person as 'wrong'.

I personally think we should all stand together on this subject though. Even if you love very single aspect of the ending, it's clear most people don't, and in a game that is built on choice, where we were promised multiple different endings and outcomes that would fit our Shepards stories, to end up with one ending in 3 colours, all with the same grim dark tone and barely distinguishable variations is a terrible thing, even if those three variations are exactly what you wanted.

I'd implore the pro enders to stand by their fellow fans, and help us all to get the same level of satisfaction and enjoyment from he series we all love as hey have now. Remember this is always going to be an OPTIONAL DLC, even if it gets made, no one will be forced to get it if by don't feel he need for it. And even if you are happy, is more variety in the endings really a bad thing? Won't it just give you more replay value, more paths to take your Shepard on? More Mass Effect to see and experience?

This isnt an us vs them scenario, this is just making sure we all get the things we not just want, but we were actually promised.

Nice post.

Btw love your avatar