[quote]
It still destroys everything,
because everyone stuck in the Sol system will soon be at war and starve
to death, tearing the galactic alliance apart.[/quote]
Not necessarily, since Earth would have a far lower population to support than usual (it was probably supporting 10-20 billion people before the Reapers, I'd bet it's down to a few million, tops, after them), and even adding all the fleet together (minus those destroyed in the battle) there probably aren't more than a few million more, so getting enough food together shouldn't be
that hard. And again, they still have FTL, they can still head for other systems. There are hundreds of systems within a week's travel of Earth.
[quote]
After the Beam is send out, we see a Circular Explosion, emanating from the Relay Positions. Check!
Now where does it say that these Explosions are harmelss?[/quote]
Common sense. If they were a Supernova, you would not be able to see them from that distance. Supernovae are physical explosions, the light from them travels at the speed of light, the blast wave travels at a fraction of that speed, the "RGB" waves were traveling at a hundred times light speed or faster to be visible as moving explosions from that distance. These are very clearly NOT practical "explosions", they are the same sort fo energy pulse that we see emenating from the Citadel and washing over Earth, which is a non-destructive force. All the energy wave is there to do is to carry the signal wave of the effect that Shepard indicated in her final choice. For example, if you went with the Synthisis ending, the energy waves are what convert all DNA in the galaxy into DNA0/1.
[quote]
It's based on the Fact that no one told us differently? You can
imagine that it is different because the beam is send out by
Starchild....., but that is Fanfiction. I like Fanfiction. But it's not
canon. It's not backed up by the ingame Codex or technobabble.
[/quote]
That's only because it was the last thing that happened in the game, there are no codex entries for the epilogue.
[quote]
It IS a pessimistic View, yes. But the Alternative, to me at least,
would be that the Fleets would be trapped in the Sol-System, and there
just isn't enough food for everyone. So quick death by Relay-Explosion,
or slow Starvation on devastated Earth. Take your Pick.[/quote]
That is also an overly pessimistic view of the situation.
[quote]
So, what caused a Mass Relay destruction is not important.
As long as it is destroyed, releasing the energy it holds, it's catastrophic.[/quote]
Unless, of course, it discharges it's energy
before the relay breaks down. . . but how would that ever happen?
[quote]
Finally someone who can put it into words they may actually understand. Thank You.[/quote]
Except that he's wrong, of course.
[quote]The asteroid was nothing but the firing pin, good grief, the energy
released by a destroyed mass relay would make an asteroid look like a
party popper.[/quote]
Post like this are completely missing the point. It's not that the Asteroid caused a supernova, that would be stupid. It's that destroying a relay via catastrophic impact is a different thing that destroying it via controlled shutdown. The asteroid hitting the relay broke the relay, which released all the energy it contained in a way that it wasn't at all prepared to handle responsible. It kicked the relay in the jewels, basically. In contrast, the events of the ending were initiating a controlled, deliberate shut-down of the relays, in which all their stored energy was
expelled, sent to the next relay in the chain and in propogating the "RGB" energy waves, leaving the relay
spent, and
then it broke down, physically destroyed, but no longer containing the massive stored energy that casued so many problems for the Batarians. It was a completely different situation, with a completely different outcome. What is so difficult to understand about that?
[quote]Even if they were destroyed differently, the outcome would still be the
same. That built up energy has to go somewhere. In truth, the entire
ending didn't make sense.
[/quote]
And the energy DID go somewhere, it got shunted to the next relay to activate it and it got shunted into making the RGB energy wave that carried the Citadel's instructions. By the time the relay broke down, the energy it had contained was gone.
[quote]
The problem we all have is that there is nothing to confirm this
ingame other than the fairly vague ending movie. What we should have had
is:
CATALYST: This will destroy the relay network.
SHEPARD: Whoa! Won't that kill all of us anyway?
CATALYST: Not in this case, BECAUSE...
...yet another thing missing from the ending, I guess. Probably on the same disc as the explanation for Joker's retreat.
[/quote]
They clearly assumed that their players were much smarter than they are and would be able to figure this out themselves. A
far too common mistake.
[quote]
How do we know that the crucible's beam would use up all the energy of the relay? [/quote]
Because if it didn't then the Relays would explode and take out the solar systems they were in, and that would be completely incompatible with the whole point of the ending, which is that Shepard saves all life in the galaxy. "Oh, you have the option of turning all DNA into DNA0/1, but we're going to kill them all anyways." That wouldn't serve Shepard's OR the Catalyst's interests, at the very least it would have come up if it was a concern.
[quote] In that case, will ships constantly flying through them eventually use
them up. We never hear anything about people having to refill the
relay's energy supply, so to speak. [/quote]
Yes, but they never did
this before either.
[quote]
I am sorry but your voicing your assumptions. The game does not tell us this. [/quote]
Agreed, but they're the only assumptions that make a lick of sense. Assuming anything different would be stupid. Keep in mind that assuming that the relay explosions would behave identically to the Alpha Relay explosion is no less of an assumption, it's just a stupider one.
[quote]
And the crucible beam can't be harmless if Joker is running away from it and it causes his ship to crash.[/quote]
Nobody said that the beam was harmless. The omnidirectional
wave is harmless. The
beam probably is
very dangerous, as evidenced by the effect it had hitting the Nomandy, but the
beam is only a threat to any ships that happened to be
in relay transit at the time a beam was fired. Normandy's likely the only ship in this circumstance.
[quote]Also, the boy asks the Stargazer dude when he can go and visit
the stars, implying that it is not something that they can do at that
point. I am not saying that is fact, just what it seems.[/quote]
No, that scene clearly implies that space travel is within their culture's grasp, it's just not something that the kid will be doing right away. It's like he's asking if he can go to Disney World, theoretically, sure, but maybe not right now.
[quote]
That level of confidance probably comes from the fact that
everything is so well explained, all the time. If a cat suddenly
learned how to play a piano we would probably get a codex telling us why
it was possible. Since they did not explain in game that the
destruction would be different, we can only go on what we know. [/quote]
So then what does the Codex entry say about the planet that Joker and EDI landed on? What does it say about the star-child? What does it say about
anything that doesn't happen until the ending? You can't expect the codex to cover things that happen
after the codex stops updating, that would be spoilers. "Huh, a new codex entry popped up that says that 'if a relay recieves a signal that tells it to convert all DNA in the universe into DNA0/1 then it will discharge all its energy harmlessly and then brak down,' I wonder if that will come up later in the game. . ."
[quote] Without it, none of the Quarins or Turians stuck on Earth would have any food to eat becuse of their body makeup[/quote]
The Quarians have their live ships, which are mobile farms, so they're fine. Maybe they could grow food for the Turians too, perhaps even for the other races. The Quarians also eat other people's food, Tali says so explicitly.
[quote]If the energy contained in the relay is not released in the system
containing the relay, then where does the energy go? It has to go
somewhere. If it's added to the beam and forwarded on to the next relay,
then pulling the trigger on the crucible is going to be "ruining
somebody's day, somewhere, sometime." It's a circular path, so
eventually all of that accumulated energy is going to return to it's now
non-functional point of origin and that explosion will be that much
bigger.
[/quote]
If we assume that all the energy is not spent creating the "RGB" waves that are sent out to alter the galaxy, then the remaining energy can be blasted out of the sequence. Not all of the relays lead someplace nice. Don't some of them blast out into the intersteallar void where the Reaspers hang out during the off season? Or maybe it could get shot through the Omega-4 relay, the other side of that isn't doing much.
[quote]
Uh, yeah, 'cause everything else in the ending made such perfect sense...[/quote]
Almost all of it did. The only thing that didn't make sense to me on first watching it is how Joker got everyone on board and why he was in relay transit when the wave hit, but that wasn't a thing that
couldn't make sense, it was just something that they didn't explain and probably should have. That said, I don't then assume the most ludicrous possible explanation for how they got there, I assume the
most likely course of events until told otherwise.
[quote]Destroying a mass relay to halt the Reapers'
advance is infeasible. Although it has recently been proven that mass relays
can be destroyed, a
ruptured relay liberates enough energy to ruin any
terrestrial world in the relay's solar system.[/quote]
If you don't rupture the relay, and if the energy it normally contains is no longer available, then the results would not be nearly so catastrophic. The codex entry merely repeats what we know from ONE case study. One case study does not give a scientific position on other cases. It's like saying "some guy had cancer, but we gave him Kool Aide and six months later his cancer was gone Kool Aide cures cancer!*"
*Kool Aide is not known to cure cancer.
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I'm going to cite the codex againnnnnnnn:
