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[VampireSoap]

Wake up, people! Bad writing is just bad writing. There is no way game writers will hide the plots so sophisticated that it takes speculations in this depth to piece the story together. I kept laughing while I was watching the indoctrination theory video clip. I thought the guy was just being funny, but now so many people actually believe it. No wonder so many people right now still believe in magical beings in the sky....The pathway to truth is through reason and logic. When there is a situation presented to us, we don't make an assumption and then assume that assumption is right and make up all the details from there, we look at the data, the facts and then decide whether there is truth in this claim.

It's just my personal point of view, I'm sorry if it sounds offensive to some people. It is never my intention to provoke anyone.

[MalevoIence]

There is an old saying, "Keep an open mind, but not so open your brain falls out"

[Overule]

Hope makes people stupid. That's about all that needs to be said.

[Sgt Reed 24]

B/c ... unlike the ending...

it makes sense. lol

If Bioware was smart, they'd take the Indoctrination Theory and run with it in the DLC they are supposed to be making. 

Modifié par Sgt Reed 24, 01 avril 2012 - 04:10 .

[MACharlie1]

VampireSoap wrote...

Wake up, people! Bad writing is just bad writing. There is no way game writers will hide the plots so sophisticated that it takes speculations in this depth to piece the story together. I kept laughing while I was watching the indoctrination theory video clip. I thought the guy was just being funny, but now so many people actually believe it. No wonder so many people right now still believe in magical beings in the sky....The pathway to truth is through reason and logic. When there is a situation presented to us, we don't make an assumption and then assume that assumption is right and make up all the details from there, we look at the data, the facts and then decide whether there is truth in this claim.

It's just my personal point of view, I'm sorry if it sounds offensive to some people. It is never my intention to provoke anyone.

It's called comfort; you invest x amount of time into something only to be dispointed immensely. You look for means to explain what is otherwise unexplainable. You may argue that it's perfectly explainable (just bad writing) but how can that be? How could such good writing go bad? By saying it didn't really happen, it makes people feel better. 

Oddly enough, the same can be said about the "magical beings in the sky". Having faith in something is a good thing. As emotional organisms, we are driven by emotion and logic and reason simply don't cut it. 

(Ha, when I was writing this, your reason and logic reminded me of something)

"Is submission not preferable to extinction? [...] We organics are driven by emotion instead of logic. We will fight even when we know we cannot win." 

[mupp3tz]

MACharlie1, that quote it just perfect.  I dabbled in IT when I finished the game near release, but I also knew to keep myself grounded and take the theory for what it is -- fan speculation.  However, there's more than a handful of BSNers who are diehard IT believers and who will call you ignorant or stupid for not seeing what is *so* obvious.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 01 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[VampireSoap]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Overule wrote...

Hope makes people stupid. That's about all that needs to be said.

Without hope, we might as well be machines

This one is classic!!:happy:

[2papercuts]

I think it has some viability for three reasons

1. The bullet wound
2. The changing eyes
3. The breath scene

All of these the developers had to consciously acknowledge and spend more time and money to put in the game.

[Otaku Hanzo]

MACharlie1 wrote...

It's called comfort; you invest x amount of time into something only to be dispointed immensely. You look for means to explain what is otherwise unexplainable. You may argue that it's perfectly explainable (just bad writing) but how can that be? How could such good writing go bad? By saying it didn't really happen, it makes people feel better. 

Oddly enough, the same can be said about the "magical beings in the sky". Having faith in something is a good thing. As emotional organisms, we are driven by emotion and logic and reason simply don't cut it. 

(Ha, when I was writing this, your reason and logic reminded me of something)

"Is submission not preferable to extinction? [...] We organics are driven by emotion instead of logic. We will fight even when we know we cannot win." 

You win. That is all.

[BiancoAngelo7]

OP, until you provide any logic or reasoning as to why the indoctrination theory is incorrect, or at least explaining the multitude of reasonings found here:

docs.google.com/document/d/1QT4IUepvrU1pfv_B95oQj0H84DlCTUmzQ_uQh1voTUs/preview

Then I can't take you seriously. Consider it courtesy that I give you the benefit of the doubt and not just call you a troll for telling others how "blind" they are while offering absolutely no reasoning as to why other than "the ending is the ending".

[szkasypcze]

Actually, the so called Indoctrination Theory is all about asking questions and pointing out some noticed facts during mainly the last scenes of ME3. Nobody tells you to belive it or says that IT IS THE ONLY TRUE. It analyses facts. That's all.

As for hope....IT  gives hope for those who love ME series and are sci-fi fans that ME3 will be concluded. Because now it is not. There are no so called ENDINGS. I don't know what are they, but surely not endings.

I just hope that ME3 was not about bad writing and it will be continued towards its conclusions.

[VampireSoap]

MACharlie1 wrote...

It's called comfort; you invest x amount of time into something only to be dispointed immensely. You look for means to explain what is otherwise unexplainable. You may argue that it's perfectly explainable (just bad writing) but how can that be? How could such good writing go bad? By saying it didn't really happen, it makes people feel better. 

Oddly enough, the same can be said about the "magical beings in the sky". Having faith in something is a good thing. As emotional organisms, we are driven by emotion and logic and reason simply don't cut it. 

(Ha, when I was writing this, your reason and logic reminded me of something)

"Is submission not preferable to extinction? [...] We organics are driven by emotion instead of logic. We will fight even when we know we cannot win." 

Your arguement is really reasonable. Thank you for replying It gives me something to think about. But I would also like to counter your argument by quoting "Truth is always more important than comfort."

I don't know, maybe it's because I'm a science student. I always have a hard time understanding why people choose comfortable illusions rather than cold hard facts. It's like taking the “red pill" in Matrix.

Modifié par VampireSoap, 01 avril 2012 - 04:27 .

[MACharlie1]

VampireSoap wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Wake up, people! Bad writing is just bad writing. There is no way game writers will hide the plots so sophisticated that it takes speculations in this depth to piece the story together. I kept laughing while I was watching the indoctrination theory video clip. I thought the guy was just being funny, but now so many people actually believe it. No wonder so many people right now still believe in magical beings in the sky....The pathway to truth is through reason and logic. When there is a situation presented to us, we don't make an assumption and then assume that assumption is right and make up all the details from there, we look at the data, the facts and then decide whether there is truth in this claim.

It's just my personal point of view, I'm sorry if it sounds offensive to some people. It is never my intention to provoke anyone.

It's called comfort; you invest x amount of time into something only to be dispointed immensely. You look for means to explain what is otherwise unexplainable. You may argue that it's perfectly explainable (just bad writing) but how can that be? How could such good writing go bad? By saying it didn't really happen, it makes people feel better. 

Oddly enough, the same can be said about the "magical beings in the sky". Having faith in something is a good thing. As emotional organisms, we are driven by emotion and logic and reason simply don't cut it. 

(Ha, when I was writing this, your reason and logic reminded me of something)

"Is submission not preferable to extinction? [...] We organics are driven by emotion instead of logic. We will fight even when we know we cannot win." 

Your arguement is really reasonable. Thank you for replying It gives me something to think about. But I would also like to counter your argument by quoting "Truth is always more important than comfort."

I don't know, maybe it's because I'm a science student. I always have a hard time understanding why people choose comfortable illusions rather than cold hard facts. It's like taking the “red pill" in Matrix.

If I was an emotionless shell then I'd agree but nobody is. We're human - I think a lot more harm would be done out of knowing the cold hard truth. Because then...what is there if there isn't any degree of hope? Would you say the samething to a starving mother and her three kids that there wasn't any hope for a better future in a dystopian nation (assuming you cannot interfere in anyway)? 

Truth is: we cannot possibly know everything and so we have theories and emotional constructs. It's how art and music and all the beautiful things man has created gets form. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 01 avril 2012 - 04:32 .

[Eli Parker]

Have you seen the video?

[Foryou]

It's called multiple intereprtations (I so butchered that word). If people believe he was indoctrinated let them believe that. So grow up and let people believe what they believe in

[Navasha]

Oh look... another "how can people possibly have a different opinion than mine" thread.

Seriously... why does it matter to you? Are you just afraid that if Indoc turns out to be true, you will have looked like a fool for not realizing you were duped into picking the wrong ending?

[VampireSoap]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

OP, until you provide any logic or reasoning as to why the indoctrination theory is incorrect, or at least explaining the multitude of reasonings found here:

docs.google.com/document/d/1QT4IUepvrU1pfv_B95oQj0H84DlCTUmzQ_uQh1voTUs/preview

Then I can't take you seriously. Consider it courtesy that I give you the benefit of the doubt and not just call you a troll for telling others how "blind" they are while offering absolutely no reasoning as to why other than "the ending is the ending".

I'm sorry if I offended you in some way. I apologize. I never meant that the people who belive are blind. I was just saying that people should really see the reality as it is. As for reasoning, I believe I have already stated that in the beginning. To reiterate, Game writers don't hide the plots so sophisticated that
it takes speculations in this depth to piece the story together. I mean, if you acknowledge that bad writing is the cause of the bad ending, you wouldn't need the indoctrination theory, right? And all I'm saying is just that people should see that the bad writing answer makes much more sense. Besides, it's really an opinion, forgive me if I don't have the time to look at the long list of "proofs" of yours. I'm not going to counter your arguments one by one because it is not my intention. Please believe that I simple want to share my opinions with others with no intention of insulting anyone.

[Soaringeagle78]

People grasping onto straws for hope and so that they don't fall into the gaping plot holes that want to consume them and convince them that the ending is dark, artistic, and good.

[MarchWaltz]

Sgt Reed 24 wrote...
If Bioware was smart

NOPE

[tommynocker001]

Navasha wrote...

Oh look... another "how can people possibly have a different opinion than mine" thread.

Seriously... why does it matter to you? Are you just afraid that if Indoc turns out to be true, you will have looked like a fool for not realizing you were duped into picking the wrong ending?

If indoc theory is correct, that means the game only had ONE correct end choice, rather than three, and that means lots of people look even more foolish for believing that they would get their 'multiple choice endings'...
and more foolish for forking out for an unfinished game.
It's not bad to have a different point of view, you know.

Modifié par tommynocker001, 01 avril 2012 - 04:57 .

[Domanese]

MACharlie1 wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Wake up, people! Bad writing is just bad writing. There is no way game writers will hide the plots so sophisticated that it takes speculations in this depth to piece the story together. I kept laughing while I was watching the indoctrination theory video clip. I thought the guy was just being funny, but now so many people actually believe it. No wonder so many people right now still believe in magical beings in the sky....The pathway to truth is through reason and logic. When there is a situation presented to us, we don't make an assumption and then assume that assumption is right and make up all the details from there, we look at the data, the facts and then decide whether there is truth in this claim.

It's just my personal point of view, I'm sorry if it sounds offensive to some people. It is never my intention to provoke anyone.

It's called comfort; you invest x amount of time into something only to be dispointed immensely. You look for means to explain what is otherwise unexplainable. You may argue that it's perfectly explainable (just bad writing) but how can that be? How could such good writing go bad? By saying it didn't really happen, it makes people feel better. 

Oddly enough, the same can be said about the "magical beings in the sky". Having faith in something is a good thing. As emotional organisms, we are driven by emotion and logic and reason simply don't cut it. 

(Ha, when I was writing this, your reason and logic reminded me of something)

"Is submission not preferable to extinction? [...] We organics are driven by emotion instead of logic. We will fight even when we know we cannot win." 

Your arguement is really reasonable. Thank you for replying It gives me something to think about. But I would also like to counter your argument by quoting "Truth is always more important than comfort."

I don't know, maybe it's because I'm a science student. I always have a hard time understanding why people choose comfortable illusions rather than cold hard facts. It's like taking the “red pill" in Matrix.

If I was an emotionless shell then I'd agree but nobody is. We're human - I think a lot more harm would be done out of knowing the cold hard truth. Because then...what is there if there isn't any degree of hope? Would you say the samething to a starving mother and her three kids that there wasn't any hope for a better future in a dystopian nation (assuming you cannot interfere in anyway)? 

Truth is: we cannot possibly know everything and so we have theories and emotional constructs. It's how art and music and all the beautiful things man has created gets form. 

Damnit man that was beautiful. 

[VampireSoap]

MACharlie1 wrote...

If I was an emotionless shell then I'd agree but nobody is. We're human - I think a lot more harm would be done out of knowing the cold hard truth. Because then...what is there if there isn't any degree of hope? Would you say the samething to a starving mother and her three kids that there wasn't any hope for a better future in a dystopian nation (assuming you cannot interfere in anyway)? 

Truth is: we cannot possibly know everything and so we have theories and emotional constructs. It's how art and music and all the beautiful things man has created gets form. 

I understand your position, but I do not agree with you on emotions making us Humans. I believe that being logical has always been the symbol of being a Human. Passion corrupts reason. The bigger picture eludes us when we let our internal desires take control. The control of emotions, so that they do not control us. And in your case, I would tell the mother everything about her situation without reservation, she actually has a better chance to survive if she knows more. Knowing something terrible doesn't mean giving up hope. Shepard never gave up even though he knew the Reaper were coming all the time. :happy:

Modifié par VampireSoap, 01 avril 2012 - 05:06 .

[Domanese]

tommynocker001 wrote...

If indoc theory is correct, that means the game only had ONE correct end choice, rather than three, and that means lots of people look even more foolish for believeing that they would get their 'multiple choice endings'...
and more foolish for forking out for an unfinished game.
It's not bad to have a different point of view, you know.

Well even if one picked the wrong choice its still possible to play the game's ending out. I mean wouldn't it be a good idea to have the finale play out differently depending on whether you picked control, synthetis or destroy. Could play an indoctrinated Shepard and have the dreaded task of killing your former comrades and bringing the galaxy's forces into ruin, or resisting it with every fiber of your being to try and turn it into some kind of heroic sacrifice. Honestly those sound like good moments to me. And destroy just gives you the opportunity to get the golden ending, not a gurantee.

[M_Kirkwall]

Simple: When you dont have any water, and you are thirsty like hell, you drink your own ******. Get it? It's not water, but you assume it's water out of desperation. 

Modifié par rev0n, 01 avril 2012 - 05:01 .