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[earthonline]

there is SOME sense to the indoctrination theory

[grimkillah]

The difference between those who think it is just bad writing, and those who believe in the Indoctrination Theory is that people who believe in IT still care about BioWare. We grow fond of BW just like we grow fond of Garrus, Tali and Liara. It has been a ride for 5 years through thick and thin, and you don't want to give up on something that you cared about. So even if IT is a lie it bring some sort of comfort and hope that you can still save them

[VampireSoap]

grimkillah wrote...

The difference between those who think it is just bad writing, and those who believe in the Indoctrination Theory is that people who believe in IT still care about BioWare. We grow fond of BW just like we grow fond of Garrus, Tali and Liara. It has been a ride for 5 years through thick and thin, and you don't want to give up on something that you cared about. So even if IT is a lie it bring some sort of comfort and hope that you can still save them

That's what I've been trying to tell people all along...Faith is not a merit. Faith is gullibility. It requires you to believe in something that has absolutely no reliable evidence to support itself. Just because you like something, you invested so much on something doesn't mean it is right to make up stories to delude yourself and others.

[Arkitekt]

earthonline wrote...

there is SOME sense to the indoctrination theory

All the best lunatic theories are not deprived of "SOME" sense.

[tetrisblock4x1]

It would be ironic if the indoctrination was real instead of the catalyst thing and BSN still ****ed about the ending.

[grimkillah]

VampireSoap wrote...

grimkillah wrote...

The difference between those who think it is just bad writing, and those who believe in the Indoctrination Theory is that people who believe in IT still care about BioWare. We grow fond of BW just like we grow fond of Garrus, Tali and Liara. It has been a ride for 5 years through thick and thin, and you don't want to give up on something that you cared about. So even if IT is a lie it bring some sort of comfort and hope that you can still save them

That's what I've been trying to tell people all along...Faith is not a merit. Faith is gullibility. It requires you to believe in something that has absolutely no reliable evidence to support itself. Just because you like something, you invested so much on something doesn't mean it is right to make up stories to delude yourself and others.

Actually it is perfectly fine to make up story and delude oneself, I don't see what is wrong with that. As for other people, no one is forcing them to believe, like I am not telling you to believe, just that I believe, and you should respect that I can believe in things that you don't.

[Doctor Solus]

I'm pretty sure most people don't believe in IT. However, many DO find it to make a lot more sense than the ending we got, and would therefor like it as a DLC/patch. That is all.

[VampireSoap]

grimkillah wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

grimkillah wrote...

The
difference between those who think it is just bad writing, and those
who believe in the Indoctrination Theory is that people who believe in
IT still care about BioWare. We grow fond of BW just like we grow fond
of Garrus, Tali and Liara. It has been a ride for 5 years through thick
and thin, and you don't want to give up on something that you cared
about. So even if IT is a lie it bring some sort of comfort and hope
that you can still save them

That's what I've been trying
to tell people all along...Faith is not a merit. Faith is gullibility.
It requires you to believe in something that has absolutely no reliable
evidence to support itself. Just because you like something, you
invested so much on something doesn't mean it is right to make up
stories to delude yourself and others.

Actually it is
perfectly fine to make up story and delude oneself, I don't see what is
wrong with that. As for other people, no one is forcing them to
believe, like I am not telling you to believe, just that I believe, and
you should respect that I can believe in things that you don't.

You are shifting the focus here. Questioning your belief is different from
disrespecting your right to believe in anything you like.

Modifié par VampireSoap, 02 avril 2012 - 12:42 .

[Arkitekt]

Doctor Solus wrote...

I'm pretty sure most people don't believe in IT. However, many DO find it to make a lot more sense than the ending we got, and would therefor like it as a DLC/patch. That is all.

Yeah except that kind of sh*t would really ruin the game for the other 99.99% of people who played the damn game.

[grimkillah]

VampireSoap wrote...

grimkillah wrote...
Actually it is
perfectly fine to make up story and delude oneself, I don't see what is
wrong with that. As for other people, no one is forcing them to
believe, like I am not telling you to believe, just that I believe, and
you should respect that I can believe in things that you don't.

You are shifting the focus here. Questioning your belief is different from
disrespecting your right to believe in anything you like.

If you questioning my belief within your own context, go ahead, I shouldn't have the power to stop you, but when you tell me it is wrong, you are disrespecting my belief.

[VampireSoap]

iVitriol wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Doctor Solus wrote...

I'm pretty sure most people don't believe in IT. However, many DO find it to make a lot more sense than the ending we got, and would therefor like it as a DLC/patch. That is all.

Yeah except that kind of sh*t would really ruin the game for the other 99.99% of people who played the damn game.

Okay I'm lost here... you say the original ending is better than IT or anything else?

No one says anything about the original ending is better than IT. It's not an either/or situation. And stop making Red Herring fallacies IT theorists, the issue here is whether IT is true, not whether IT is better than the original ending.

[VampireSoap]

grimkillah wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

grimkillah wrote...
Actually it is
perfectly fine to make up story and delude oneself, I don't see what is
wrong with that. As for other people, no one is forcing them to
believe, like I am not telling you to believe, just that I believe, and
you should respect that I can believe in things that you don't.

You are shifting the focus here. Questioning your belief is different from
disrespecting your right to believe in anything you like.

If you questioning my belief within your own context, go ahead, I shouldn't have the power to stop you, but when you tell me it is wrong, you are disrespecting my belief.

No, no. You said I disrespected your right to believe not your belief. That's the difference.

Modifié par VampireSoap, 02 avril 2012 - 12:51 .

[grimkillah]

VampireSoap wrote...

grimkillah wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

grimkillah wrote...
Actually it is
perfectly fine to make up story and delude oneself, I don't see what is
wrong with that. As for other people, no one is forcing them to
believe, like I am not telling you to believe, just that I believe, and
you should respect that I can believe in things that you don't.

You are shifting the focus here. Questioning your belief is different from
disrespecting your right to believe in anything you like.

If you questioning my belief within your own context, go ahead, I shouldn't have the power to stop you, but when you tell me it is wrong, you are disrespecting my belief.

No, no. You said I disrespected your right to believe not your belief. That's the difference.

The theroy in which I have the right to believe is my belief.

Modifié par grimkillah, 02 avril 2012 - 12:54 .

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

There's a ton of sense to IT. What I don't get is how people can see all the evidence and still deny it. There isn't one, two, or even three things supporting this theory. I wonder how many people still haven't seen any of the videos:

www.youtube.com/watch

[grimkillah]

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

There's a ton of sense to IT. What I don't get is how people can see all the evidence and still deny it. There isn't one, two, or even three things supporting this theory. I wonder how many people still haven't seen any of the videos:

www.youtube.com/watch

People have the right to deny it, just as I have the right to believe it. No amount of evidence will change peoples mind either way.

[VampireSoap]

grimkillah wrote...

The theroy in which I have the right to believe is my belief.

Please listen to yourself, does your statement really make sense? Are you denying that there is a difference between a person's belief and his right to believe? So the freedom of religion is the same as faith on Christianity?

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

Reminds me of religion arguments.

[VampireSoap]

iVitriol wrote...
Red herrings? This guy just comes off as a ******.

No offense, but have you been in college? Critical thinking? Logic 101? http://www.nizkor.or...ed-herring.html

Also, please stop calling names. It's not your first time to do so and it's really rude. Please acknowledge that.

[Shermos]

VampireSoap wrote...

Wake up, people! Bad writing is just bad writing. There is no way game writers will hide the plots so sophisticated that it takes speculations in this depth to piece the story together. I kept laughing while I was watching the indoctrination theory video clip. I thought the guy was just being funny, but now so many people actually believe it. No wonder so many people right now still believe in magical beings in the sky....The pathway to truth is through reason and logic. When there is a situation presented to us, we don't make an assumption and then assume that assumption is right and make up all the details from there, we look at the data, the facts and then decide whether there is truth in this claim.

It's just my personal point of view, I'm sorry if it sounds offensive to some people. It is never my intention to provoke anyone.

You're right about the indoctrination theory imo, but you're not about the ending. I think it's just too intelligent for most "fans" to enjoy *puts on flame proof jacket*.

Modifié par Shermos, 02 avril 2012 - 01:09 .