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[mcsupersport]

On topic, people would like to think that Bioware, after making a great game and great series didn't just brainfart as big as the current ending indicates. People like to think that Bioware didn't think people would hate the Indoc ending so much, that when they did release the "real" ending eveyone would be really surprised and happy, instead of mad as all heck because Bioware screwed the pooch like the current ending indicates.

Basically, people are hoping that Bioware isn't as stupid as they appear in the current ending, since they made such an overall great game.

[VampireSoap]

grimkillah wrote...

But we have conducted experiments on object when we are in space. But how do you know for 100% certainty that it still follow the theory when it is no longer measurable by you? So you only know when you check on it, so the theory is only true when it is been observed. But what happen when it is not been observed? Do you know 100% certainty that it still follow the theory?

So you believe the word of a scientist without own investigation? So you took their word as truth on faith value? Aren't you just the same as us then?

In fact, the difference between you and me amuses me no end. You keep saying that I need faith to "believe" in scientific theories. I don't. I look at the data and evidence and then find the truth through reason and logic. There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is base on authority, and science, which is base on observation and reason. And as for your question about knowing 100 percent certainty. No scientific theories predict absolute certainty, we simply calculate all the possibilities and accept the most possible outcome. This is the way we do science. No one says accepting the best theory currently available means excluding all other theories.

And out of all the possibilities, you find the IT most logical. I simply disagree.

Modifié par VampireSoap, 02 avril 2012 - 02:56 .

[ThomasakaDes_]

Better ending than Skyrim though.
Well much MUCH better xD

[EHondaMashButton]

So NOBODY wants to tackle this?

What logical explanation is there for this, but IT?

[Cancer Puppet]

I really, really hope the indoctrination theory, planned or not, is the route Bioware decides to go with this. An hour and a half of DLC could totally clean this up. More is better, I think, but I just want it to make sense. Please.

[VampireSoap]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

So NOBODY wants to tackle this?

What logical explanation is there for this, but IT?

The fact is, out of all the possibilities, why do you think this is the evidence to support IT? How do you go from seeing a pair of blue eyes to Shepard has been indoctrinated since Arrival and that he has been under the influence of the Reapers all along?

What is your reason for the logical leap?

[CombatEvil]

2papercuts wrote...

I think it has some viability for three reasons

1. The bullet wound
2. The changing eyes
3. The breath scene
All of these the developers had to consciously acknowledge and spend more time and money to put in the game.

1, bullet wound? i saw no bullet.... was in my mind chared broken skin bleeding from internal wounds caused by  the beam....
2. changing eyes? looked to me as the protein layer burned away reveiling cybernetics...
3. breath scene? he lived so what?...

i refuse too believe bioware "Hid" these "clues" to suggest a indoctronation theory

[grimkillah]

VampireSoap wrote...
In fact, the difference between you and me amuses me no end. You keep saying that I need faith to "believe" in scientific theories. I don't. I look at the data and evidence and then find the truth through reason and logic. There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is base on authority, and science, which is base on observation and reason. And as for your question about knowing 100 percent certainty. No scientific theories predict absolute certainty, we simply calculate all the possibilities and accept the most possible outcome. This is the way we do science. No one says accepting the best theory currently available means excluding all other theories.

VampireSoap wrote...
And the theory of relativity is not "just a theory", it is a fact. In daily life, when we say "a theory", we are usually just talking about an assumption, not even a hypothesis. But in science, when we discuss "the theories", we are talking about the greatest achievements in the history of mankind. They are facts that have been proven by countless experiments. The one and only truth within the current knowledge of mankind and the only criteria for all later scienstists conducting experiments..

Few minutes ago you didn't felt the same way though.

Like I said before it is perfectly fine to believe in whatever you want. But I quote "Wake up, people! Bad writing is just bad writing." doesn't sound like you are simply disagreeing, more of a need to "educate" people to your "truth". Before you say IT are doing the same thing, lets not go down to the level of ****** for tat. Remember truth is truth, you don't need other people's validation to make it true.

[CombatEvil]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

So NOBODY wants to tackle this?

What logical explanation is there for this, but IT?

 ez.
protein layer burning off to reveil cybernetics...

[Wayning_Star]

I just wonder why the reaps would need to indoctrinate sheppard, they communicated from the start, with one thing or another?

Organics attempt wrong or right, or somewhere in between. Machines can only be broken.. See Legion/listen to EDI, as they're contemplating of "ethics" vs. "equation principle".

[Icinix]

ThomasakaDes_ wrote...

Better ending than Skyrim though.
Well much MUCH better xD

Wait? Skyrim ends?

[MACharlie1]

CombatEvil wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

I think it has some viability for three reasons

1. The bullet wound
2. The changing eyes
3. The breath scene
All of these the developers had to consciously acknowledge and spend more time and money to put in the game.

1, bullet wound? i saw no bullet.... was in my mind chared broken skin bleeding from internal wounds caused by  the beam....
2. changing eyes? looked to me as the protein layer burned away reveiling cybernetics...
3. breath scene? he lived so what?...

i refuse too believe bioware "Hid" these "clues" to suggest a indoctronation theory

I'm not a subscriber to any one theory but go renegade and the cybernetic eye implants are not the same as TIMs. Shepards are a singular circle. TIMs are three of them which he gained when he touched teh Reaper artifact. 

[mad825]

Maybe...But how did Shepard get indoctrinated so quickly? The Prothean VI did not detect indoctrination in Shepard while on Thessia. Perhaps Shepard got indoctrinated while on Project Base and ME3 is just one big hallucination.

Modifié par mad825, 02 avril 2012 - 03:15 .

[grimkillah]

mad825 wrote...

Maybe...But how did Shepard get indoctrinated so quickly? The Prothean AI did not detect indoctrination in Shepard while on Thessia. Perhaps Shepard got indoctrinated while on Project Base and ME3 is just one big hallucination.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the Illusive Man installed reaper nanbots to help Shepard regenerate faster during the Lazarus project.

[Wayning_Star]

the burning off is merely a representation of change. All communicaton with the reaper race has been 'symbolic' even the "reflections" Sheppard attempted to collate after getting hit with their knowledge base. Why would the reapers wish to 'talk' to a pesky human/organic short of recycling them?

[EHondaMashButton]

VampireSoap wrote...

EHondaMashButton wrote...

So NOBODY wants to tackle this?

What logical explanation is there for this, but IT?

The fact is, out of all the possibilities, why do you think this is the evidence to support IT? How do you go from seeing a pair of blue eyes to Shepard has been indoctrinated since Arrival and that he has been under the influence of the Reapers all along?

What is your reason for the logical leap?

Whoa there.  Let's not put words in my mouth.

There's debate over where the exact point of indoctrination occurs, since
a) Shep has been exposed to reapers/reaper tech so many times
and
he passes out at least 2 times in the finale. 

My personal believe is they're working on weakening his mind all throughout the game, but he's not actually indoctrinated until he makes his choice with the starchild.  (The moment where he decides whether to take the red/blue/green pill)

And its not just a pair of blue eyes, its TiM eyes.  Or are you suggesting the substitution of TiM eyes in that ending was a lazy oversight from a rushed game.<_<

Modifié par EHondaMashButton, 02 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[MACharlie1]

Wayning_Star wrote...

the burning off is merely a representation of change. All communicaton with the reaper race has been 'symbolic' even the "reflections" Sheppard attempted to collate after getting hit with their knowledge base. Why would the reapers wish to 'talk' to a pesky human/organic short of recycling them?

Harbinger, Sovreign, and the reaper on Rannoch establishes that Reapers can be quite chatty. 

[VampireSoap]

grimkillah wrote...

 Before you say IT are doing the same thing, lets not go down to the level of ****** for tat. Remember truth is truth, you don't need other people's validation to make it true.

Alright, I agree with you on this, and I really appreciate that you have been able to maintain a civilized manner in our conversations. Also, I do need to apologize for some volatile things I've said. I went back to check the posts and found that I have not always been able to say what I really meant. Please forgive me. And I really have to go now, I will probably come back tomorrow. But feel free to stick around, I believe your opinions will stimulate more discussions.

[mad825]

grimkillah wrote...

mad825 wrote...

Maybe...But how did Shepard get indoctrinated so quickly? The Prothean AI did not detect indoctrination in Shepard while on Thessia. Perhaps Shepard got indoctrinated while on Project Base and ME3 is just one big hallucination.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the Illusive Man installed reaper nanbots to help Shepard regenerate faster during the Lazarus project.

It doesn't look like Reaper tech and it's nothing like Saren's while not even as severe.

Modifié par mad825, 02 avril 2012 - 03:23 .

[EHondaMashButton]

MACharlie1 wrote...

CombatEvil wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

I think it has some viability for three reasons

1. The bullet wound
2. The changing eyes
3. The breath scene
All of these the developers had to consciously acknowledge and spend more time and money to put in the game.

1, bullet wound? i saw no bullet.... was in my mind chared broken skin bleeding from internal wounds caused by  the beam....
2. changing eyes? looked to me as the protein layer burned away reveiling cybernetics...
3. breath scene? he lived so what?...

i refuse too believe bioware "Hid" these "clues" to suggest a indoctronation theory

I'm not a subscriber to any one theory but go renegade and the cybernetic eye implants are not the same as TIMs. Shepards are a singular circle. TIMs are three of them which he gained when he touched teh Reaper artifact. 

Nope.  Check again.




Bigger

TiM      http://i.imgur.com/LU9UN.jpg 
Shep   http://i.imgur.com/mJbqR.jpg 


edit: intended for CombatEvil, not MACharlie

Modifié par EHondaMashButton, 02 avril 2012 - 03:21 .

[MACharlie1]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

CombatEvil wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

I think it has some viability for three reasons

1. The bullet wound
2. The changing eyes
3. The breath scene
All of these the developers had to consciously acknowledge and spend more time and money to put in the game.

1, bullet wound? i saw no bullet.... was in my mind chared broken skin bleeding from internal wounds caused by  the beam....
2. changing eyes? looked to me as the protein layer burned away reveiling cybernetics...
3. breath scene? he lived so what?...

i refuse too believe bioware "Hid" these "clues" to suggest a indoctronation theory

I'm not a subscriber to any one theory but go renegade and the cybernetic eye implants are not the same as TIMs. Shepards are a singular circle. TIMs are three of them which he gained when he touched teh Reaper artifact. 

Nope.  Check again.

*snip*
*snip*

Bigger

TiM      http://i.imgur.com/LU9UN.jpg 
Shep   http://i.imgur.com/mJbqR.jpg 


edit: intended for CombatEvil, not MACharlie

I'm seeing the same eye texture.... 

[Foulpancake]

I believe it because

1. I want to have faith in Bioware
2. It makes 10x more sense than taking the endings at face value
3. It would mean Bioware did NOT blatantly lie to us about the game

[VampireSoap]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

EHondaMashButton wrote...

So NOBODY wants to tackle this?

What logical explanation is there for this, but IT?

The fact is, out of all the possibilities, why do you think this is the evidence to support IT? How do you go from seeing a pair of blue eyes to Shepard has been indoctrinated since Arrival and that he has been under the influence of the Reapers all along?

What is your reason for the logical leap?

Whoa there.  Let's not put words in my mouth.

There's debate over where the exact point of indoctrination occurs, since
a) Shep has been exposed to reapers/reaper tech so many times
and
he passes out at least 2 times in the finale. 

My personal believe is they're working on weakening his mind all throughout the game, but he's not actually indoctrinated until he makes his choice with the starchild.  (The moment where he decides whether to take the red/blue/green pill)

And its not just a pair of blue eyes, its TiM eyes.  Or are you suggesting the substitution of TiM eyes in that ending was a lazy oversight from a rushed game.<_<

Ok, sorry for putting words in your mouth. But yeah, how do you go from TIM eyes --> Shepard being indoctrinated the whole time?

And let's just assume that you're right, and that the ending was not a lazy oversight from a rushed game.

The substitution of TIM eyes proves --------->  ???

PS: Alright, I really gonna go, girlfriend problems. No more delays, sorry:lol: I will probably come back tomorrow and check on you guys:happy: