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[loungeshep]

Does bsn not have anything new to talk about? Or does it just collectively whine and repeat itself?

[Chrillze]

VampireSoap wrote...

Raycer X wrote...

Well, my friend beat ME3 last night and called me today. He told me he literally hasn't been that depressed since his dog died when he was 8. Then he heard about this theory and all of his depression went away. Just saying, you can get hope from anything.

A very good example, thank you! It is exactly what I've been trying to say. All the Indoctrination Theory does is really just give hope to desperate people. It preys on people who are in a vulnerable stage.

It doesn't give hope, it explains the ending. the IT is true stop denying it seriously, you just look ignorant.

[tommynocker001]

Domanese wrote...

tommynocker001 wrote...

If indoc theory is correct, that means the game only had ONE correct end choice, rather than three, and that means lots of people look even more foolish for believeing that they would get their 'multiple choice endings'...
and more foolish for forking out for an unfinished game.
It's not bad to have a different point of view, you know.

Well even if one picked the wrong choice its still possible to play the game's ending out. I mean wouldn't it be a good idea to have the finale play out differently depending on whether you picked control, synthetis or destroy. Could play an indoctrinated Shepard and have the dreaded task of killing your former comrades and bringing the galaxy's forces into ruin, or resisting it with every fiber of your being to try and turn it into some kind of heroic sacrifice. Honestly those sound like good moments to me. And destroy just gives you the opportunity to get the golden ending, not a gurantee.

I agree. But as the game stands, I'm teleported back to TIM's base on my 'choice', giving the impresson that I'm meant to try again (after another purchase), properly, and get it right this time.
DLC should not be needed. If the game wasn't finished. It should never have shipped.

I'm now expecting KoA to finish with some unknown writer who was shipped in for the last chapter at very little expense!

Modifié par tommynocker001, 01 avril 2012 - 07:26 .

[redBadger14]

Chrillze wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Raycer X wrote...

Well, my friend beat ME3 last night and called me today. He told me he literally hasn't been that depressed since his dog died when he was 8. Then he heard about this theory and all of his depression went away. Just saying, you can get hope from anything.

A very good example, thank you! It is exactly what I've been trying to say. All the Indoctrination Theory does is really just give hope to desperate people. It preys on people who are in a vulnerable stage.

It doesn't give hope, it explains the ending. the IT is true stop denying it seriously, you just look ignorant.

The Indoctrination Theory is not true, hence why it is a theory. It is a speculation on what actually happened in the endings we got, that is all. I would like it to be true, but again it is not. It will only be true once BioWare actually comes out and says something to confirm either the entire theory or some of the points made by it.

[VampireSoap]

redBadger14 wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Dear iVitriol, I politely ask you to leave this thread if you are not going to discuss the topic. It is not an order but rather a humble request. Because I still want to see what others might say about believing the indoctrination theory.

This.

Might I also remind you that in a poll iVitriol created, he asked for the opinions of people on the ME3 endings. The comments of those who disagreed were deleted. And the comment of mine that called him out on it was deleted, I received a PM about how I am "a crony" and that he subsequently blocked me. Trust me this guy's word holds no water ever and any opinions that oppose his are never met with arguments with substance. Also the fact that he has not yet replied to my most recent post above should say something; he must have run out of teenage insults. Too bad he can't explain his madness to me.

And now that he is in a thread he cannot control, he cannot simply delete posts he does not agree with, and instead results to "Oh look the troll" and "Hey its the d*ckrider again" as his "comebacks" or "arguments" as I am sure he sees them.

As for the indoc theory, I beleive some but not all of the points made on it.

Yeah, I've seen people like that, and I just think they are still very young and they should be given time to learn. Arguing with them just simply encourages their childish attitude.

Ah, and the indoc theory, pesonally I don't think most points in the theory make sense. If it is a theory, it should include all the possibilities, but the IT just picks one possible outcome of the event and claim that it's true. So it's not really a "theory" but rather a speculation.

[Volus Warlord]

redBadger14 wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not true, hence why it is a theory.

[Chrillze]

VampireSoap wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Dear iVitriol, I politely ask you to leave this thread if you are not going to discuss the topic. It is not an order but rather a humble request. Because I still want to see what others might say about believing the indoctrination theory.

This.

Might I also remind you that in a poll iVitriol created, he asked for the opinions of people on the ME3 endings. The comments of those who disagreed were deleted. And the comment of mine that called him out on it was deleted, I received a PM about how I am "a crony" and that he subsequently blocked me. Trust me this guy's word holds no water ever and any opinions that oppose his are never met with arguments with substance. Also the fact that he has not yet replied to my most recent post above should say something; he must have run out of teenage insults. Too bad he can't explain his madness to me.

And now that he is in a thread he cannot control, he cannot simply delete posts he does not agree with, and instead results to "Oh look the troll" and "Hey its the d*ckrider again" as his "comebacks" or "arguments" as I am sure he sees them.

As for the indoc theory, I beleive some but not all of the points made on it.

Yeah, I've seen people like that, and I just think they are still very young and they should be given time to learn. Arguing with them just simply encourages their childish attitude.

Ah, and the indoc theory, pesonally I don't think most points in the theory make sense. If it is a theory, it should include all the possibilities, but the IT just picks one possible outcome of the event and claim that it's true. So it's not really a "theory" but rather a speculation.

What doesn't make sense? 

[Chrillze]

Volus Warlord wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not true, hence why it is a theory.

the IT is true

[redBadger14]

Chrillze wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not true, hence why it is a theory.

the IT is true

Proof?

Post the link where the theory is confirmed by BioWare, please.

Modifié par redBadger14, 01 avril 2012 - 07:31 .

[Chrillze]

redBadger14 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not true, hence why it is a theory.

the IT is true

Proof?

Post the link please.

 here's your proof

[redBadger14]

Chrillze wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not true, hence why it is a theory.

the IT is true

Proof?

Post the link please.

 here's your proof

That is not an official statement from BioWare, simply a video pointing out where the points of the theory may hold water.

Try a new link with an official statement please. Otherwise, the theory is not concretely "true."

[Melra]

Speculation =/= proof.

[Chrillze]

redBadger14 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not true, hence why it is a theory.

the IT is true

Proof?

Post the link please.

 here's your proof

That is not an official statement from BioWare, simply a video pointing out where the points of the theory may hold water.

Try a new link with an official statement please. Otherwise, the theory is not concretely "true."

It's true, stop kidding around please

[redBadger14]

Chrillze wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not true, hence why it is a theory.

the IT is true

Proof?

Post the link please.

 here's your proof

That is not an official statement from BioWare, simply a video pointing out where the points of the theory may hold water.

Try a new link with an official statement please. Otherwise, the theory is not concretely "true."

It's true, stop kidding around please

I am far from kidding around. Do not kid yourself.

I believe some of what the theory proclaims, because some of the points make better sense of the endings. But like Melrache said, speculation does not equal proof or truth. A theory is just a theory, not truth or fact, merely speculation on existing facts. You cannot produce a shred of proof that confirms the theory is truth from a BioWare developer, so don't strut about claiming its true. Even the originators of the theory do not claim it to be true, only a way to explain the endings and that they hope the theory ends up being true or partially at least.

http://www.merriam-w...ctionary/theory 

Check out the definitions of "theory" there. May help you out.

[VampireSoap]

Chrillze wrote...


 here's your proof
That is not an official statement from BioWare, simply a video pointing out where the points of the theory may hold water.

Try a new link with an official statement please. Otherwise, the theory is not concretely "true."

It's true, stop kidding around please

I understand your position, but do you realize that the burden of proof is on the ones who's making the claim? And so far I haven't seen any reliable evidence. I haven't seen any official personal confirming the theory, nor have I seen the Indoc theorists citing reliable sources from Bioware. Therefore, I made the conclusion that the IT is just a speculation.

Modifié par VampireSoap, 01 avril 2012 - 07:43 .

[Chrillze]

redBadger14 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not true, hence why it is a theory.

the IT is true

Proof?

Post the link please.

 here's your proof

That is not an official statement from BioWare, simply a video pointing out where the points of the theory may hold water.

Try a new link with an official statement please. Otherwise, the theory is not concretely "true."

It's true, stop kidding around please

I am far from kidding around. Do not kid yourself.

I believe some of what the theory proclaims, because some of the points make better sense of the endings. But like Melrache said, speculation does not equal proof or truth. A theory is just a theory, not truth or fact, merely speculation on existing facts. You cannot produce a shred of proof that confirms the theory is truth from a BioWare developer, so don't strut about claiming its true. Even the originators of the theory do not claim it to be true, only a way to explain the endings and that they hope the theory ends up being true or partially at least.

http://www.merriam-w...ctionary/theory 

Check out the definitions of "theory" there. May help you out.

I have never said that it is true, I have only said that it explains the ending

[Chrillze]

VampireSoap wrote...

Chrillze wrote...


 here's your proof
That is not an official statement from BioWare, simply a video pointing out where the points of the theory may hold water.

Try a new link with an official statement please. Otherwise, the theory is not concretely "true."

It's true, stop kidding around please

I understand your position, but do you realize that the burden of proof is on the ones who's making the claim? And so far I haven't seen any reliable evidence. I haven't seen any official personal confirming the theory, nor have I seen the Indoc theorists citing reliable sources from Bioware. Therefore, I made the conclusion that the IT is just a speculation.

It may just be speculation but you must admit that it explains the ending, and its the best we got right now

[Melra]

Hahah, just in the previous post you said "It's true". Wut?

[VampireSoap]

Chrillze wrote...
I have never said that it is true, I have only said that it explains the ending

What?

[Chrillze]

I never said it was true

[KrunkMasterB]

The problem I have with the theory is that even if it were true, it's not a good ending. So Shepard is indoctrinated, then what? We should at least see the Reapers win or something, not end the story with Shep's hallucination. And it still doesn't take into account any of our choices that have been made in the last 3 games.

[Arkitekt]

Come on everybody knows that Indoc theory is just a bunch of cherry picked factoids throwned together and glued with ad hoc rationalizations, whose only sole purpose is to deny oneself of the TRUE reality of Mass Effect 3 endings: The Intoxication Theory. Wake up people, it's so obviously true that it boggles the mind how one doesn't instantly see it.

HOLD THE WINE!

Modifié par Arkitekt, 01 avril 2012 - 07:53 .

[Arkitekt]

Chrillze wrote...

I never said it was true

Don't mind this Chrilize fellow. He's definitely a Cleverbot alias.

[kalle90]

Thing is, obviously a lot was left on the cutting room board. We probably never get all the facts what was left there.

On the other hand, if not indoctrination, then what explains all the weird stuff from infinite ammo to Anderson outrunning Shepard to Shepard breathing? It is very sloppily done, either on purpose to make us guess or unintentionally they had to cut corners a lot leaving more glitches and plotholes than during the rest of game.

Modifié par kalle90, 01 avril 2012 - 07:55 .

[Chrillze]

KrunkMasterB wrote...

The problem I have with the theory is that even if it were true, it's not a good ending. So Shepard is indoctrinated, then what? We should at least see the Reapers win or something, not end the story with Shep's hallucination. And it still doesn't take into account any of our choices that have been made in the last 3 games.

if the IT is true(which it probably is) BioWare would probably release a DLC where you play as shepard after you wake up in London, if you chose the correct ending that is

Modifié par Chrillze, 01 avril 2012 - 07:53 .