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[Chaoswind]

people people!!!!

ME3 is not a failed product at all, first day sales and pre orders where MORE than enough to put this game on the green numbers, anyone that says otherwise is a fool, but everyone needs to accept that this game could had done MUCH MUCH MUCH better.

[AkiKishi]

L00p wrote...

On topic and BTW, does anyone know the names of those responsible for BioWare or EAs PR?

Only one I know is Silverman from the button=awsome DA2 and for saying their were too many books in the Circle Library.

But if he's a typical member of the PR team nothing would suprise me.

[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...


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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Yet the minute I post anything they disagree with the insults start flying and every man, woman and child who has been lurking in the background who disliked anything I have ever said comes out the closet with insults such as troll or putting words in my mouth to try and dismiss anything I say.

So, the moment you say something, it is automatically a bunch crazy people insulting you when you get contradictory responses. So, either we admit you are right or we are just a huge group of trolls who immediately hate you for making a comment. Sounds like you are just the most self righteous person i have ever heard of.

You are free to believe whatever you wish. But you don't get to play the 'doesn't happen card' when people have done just what I said in this very thread. People coming in first thing they say is derogatory towards me not the content of on topic reply I made even if they disagreed with me.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Yeah but, (and I promise I'm not trying to turn this into an IT theory thread) while the corporate/business aspect that you guys bring up is a very valid one, have you guys taken a look at just how much evidence/hints there are suggesting that IT theory is actually true?

I mean, there's literally a mountain of things that point to it....

What I have seen recently on here is that if your IT theory is true many people would be more insulted than originally.

I should also mention on topic of your response that the IT theory in itself is not a solution to the ending because it is not an ending in itself, the ending material would have to be created after IT, this is a separate element and a separate ending which IT does not cover because it has not been created after IT would take place.

Oh yeah definitely, I'm not trying to say that just the fact that you are battling indoctrination is an ending unto itself. But what it does do is open the door for a completely new and fulfilling ending while completely retconning the horrible one we have now(ie: Indoctrination dream so it didn't happen) and at the same time stays completely in line with everything that the lore has established thus far, unlike the ending we have now.

As the other dude said, I'm not going to take anything for granted either, because as much as I believe IT theory is right, at the end of the day that's just my opinion and it could be just Bioware messed up royally and we are plugging in the holes. I can't know for sure, but so much does seem to point to it.....

I don't know...all I can say is that they better have some dam good news to announce April 6th, but you see, even for that my hopes aren't up all that much because you'd think that an important announcement (if they were going to make one) would be made by someone more directly involved with the creation of the game like Hudson and co.

I don't know....Producer Mike Gamble is pretty important from what I understand...it's just...I dont...know. I just want April 6th to be here... 

[Dragoonlordz]

L00p wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

people people!!!!

ME3 is not a failed product at all, first day sales and pre orders where MORE than enough to put this game on the green numbers, anyone that says otherwise is a fool, but everyone needs to accept that this game could had done MUCH MUCH MUCH better.

You may be right - I am not sure how nice the sales of their next game will be though. Trust and all that.

The sales will be fine, the product they release next is generally judged on the qualities of that product, your trust issues aside. This has been shown time and time again with every new release and will continue to be the case.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 avril 2012 - 10:13 .

[AkiKishi]

L00p wrote...

It just baffles me, though. They've come so far only to **** it up right before the finish line. It doesn't make sense.

If Bioware were a person it would in dark room cutting itself...

Sporadic quality best describes ME3. Dave Gaider said a lot of interesting stuff about endings and crunch time on the DA2 forums. But to come up with something so utterly craptastic (DA2's ending was dire but ME3 is in a league of it's own) and then to defend it takes a special kind of thinking.

[AkiKishi]

L00p wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

L00p wrote...

On topic and BTW, does anyone know the names of those responsible for BioWare or EAs PR?

Only one I know is Silverman from the button=awsome DA2 and for saying their were too many books in the Circle Library.

But if he's a typical member of the PR team nothing would suprise me.

Ah, yes. The Awesome-button. "Every time you press the button something awesome has to happen."

Why couldn't they implement that button in the endings of ME3?

"Every time you end the game something awesome has to happen."

Press button A,B or C and blow up the Galaxy ? That's pretty awsome

[Traim Eisenblut]

Chaoswind wrote...

people people!!!!

ME3 is not a failed product at all, first day sales and pre orders where MORE than enough to put this game on the green numbers, anyone that says otherwise is a fool, but everyone needs to accept that this game could had done MUCH MUCH MUCH better.

But it's not about "green numbers" only. Not when there is a stockholding company involved. It is about how high these green numbers are?
If you invest into a triple A game, you do your math long before production starts. And this includes a revenue with certain marks that will define the success / failure of the product. Now, the real numbers are all just Lots Of Speculations, for everyone, as BioWare or EA will not release them. But the fact that the games price has already fallen, partly considerable, shows that sales didn't work out as expected.
So, even if they have made more money than they invested into it, the game might still be a financial failure for the company (and EAs shareholders).

[kbct]

Chaoswind wrote...

people people!!!!

ME3 is not a failed product at all, first day sales and pre orders where MORE than enough to put this game on the green numbers, anyone that says otherwise is a fool, but everyone needs to accept that this game could had done MUCH MUCH MUCH better.

Agreed to a certain extent. The first week sales were great compared to ME1 and ME2 - but we don't the how much it cost to make ME3, the profit margin per unit, or the cost of damaged goodwill in terms of future sales.

[AnthonyDraft]

Well this is pretty silly. Customer complaint - more like a total outcry of angry fans in addition to stupid trolls.

Can't believe they fell for that. By doing so they deny themselves more money, thus making people who are actually interested, look at other websites to buy the game.
Seriously "fans" you're doing more hurt then you realize. It is a good publicity though, can't deny that.

[AkiKishi]

L00p wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

L00p wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

people people!!!!

ME3 is not a failed product at all, first day sales and pre orders where MORE than enough to put this game on the green numbers, anyone that says otherwise is a fool, but everyone needs to accept that this game could had done MUCH MUCH MUCH better.

You may be right - I am not sure how nice the sales of their next game will be though. Trust and all that.

The sales will be fine, the product they release next is generally judged on the qualities of that product, your trust issues aside. This has been shown time and time again with every new release and will continue to be the case.

"Shown time and time again"?
Research? Link?

Well DA2's sales never really impacted ME3's that much but now both DA and ME are toxic ,as is Biowares reputation and they are running out of IP's.

Things will sell if you stick a big enough advertising budget behind them, but that still cuts into profits if not units sold.

[SalsaDMA]

The Razman wrote...

Zhuinden wrote...

Well, people who say it's false advertising are correct, considering you can get only one ending, regardless of your choices, in A,B,C ending form, which they clearly said it would not be.
This is a bit overkill, but I do see where they're coming from.

You can get multiple endings, all of which are different from each other. People saw the word "different" and assumed something in their heads about what "different" would be, and then called Bioware liars when this expectation wasn't met.

Rubbish thing for Bioware to have done? Sure, I'll get on board with that. Never, however, going to get on board with all of the garbage about "lies" or "false advertising" or "let's sue them", or for that matter trying to take Amazon's sales system offline if that's what's happened here. That's just inaccurate, and doesn't paint a good picture of the anti-ending movement. It makes them look like they've never experienced a situation where the marketing and hype hasn't lived up to the end product, which is surely the height of naivety.

2 dollar notes are technically different, yet they are considered as being the same thing for most intents and purposes, save tracking of numbers. You wouldn't know one dollar bill from another just by using them normally, thus they are considered the same, despite their technical minor differences.

The endings are the same in the same breath as above.

Claiming they are "wildly different", as Bioware led consumers to believe from their statements is going so far beyond pushing the term "bending the truth" that it's an outright lie.

[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...


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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Yet the minute I post anything they disagree with the insults start flying and every man, woman and child who has been lurking in the background who disliked anything I have ever said comes out the closet with insults such as troll or putting words in my mouth to try and dismiss anything I say.

So, the moment you say something, it is automatically a bunch crazy people insulting you when you get contradictory responses. So, either we admit you are right or we are just a huge group of trolls who immediately hate you for making a comment. Sounds like you are just the most self righteous person i have ever heard of.

You are free to believe whatever you wish. But you don't get to play the 'doesn't happen card' when people have done just what I said in this very thread. People coming in first thing they say is derogatory towards me not the content of on topic reply I made even if they disagreed with me.

Now why do i feel like i have heard that before
Does happen, but if you read to far into it and see aggression then it may seem to happen more than it actually does. I suggest that you stop doing that, besides the moment you made that statement you were just asking for it.

Your stance is no diffferent to those who verbally attacked Bioware employee's. "Making a statement or comment, they asked for it", simply meaning disagreed with what they said so attack them. I suggest you don't try to peddle that perspective or stance too much in future and certainly explains your actions in response to what I have said that was on topic at the time.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[BiancoAngelo7]

kbct wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

people people!!!!

ME3 is not a failed product at all, first day sales and pre orders where MORE than enough to put this game on the green numbers, anyone that says otherwise is a fool, but everyone needs to accept that this game could had done MUCH MUCH MUCH better.

Agreed to a certain extent. The first week sales were great compared to ME1 and ME2 - but we don't the how much it cost to make ME3, the profit margin per unit, or the cost of damaged goodwill in terms of future sales.

I believe their next game and its respective sales will be the true arbiter of just how much this has affected them.

I for one can definitely say that if they do not deliver on the endings we were supposed to get then I will not be buying ME3 or any other game that comes out after it.

If you found out your local car salesman ripped you off, would you go t ohim to buy your next car? No. He of course has your money already, but the next time there's zero chance he'll see you again.

Same fore me and Bioware.

I mean, being trolled for 5 and a half years is bad enough. I don't think I could go through that again...

[AkiKishi]

L00p wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

L00p wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

L00p wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

people people!!!!

ME3 is not a failed product at all, first day sales and pre orders where MORE than enough to put this game on the green numbers, anyone that says otherwise is a fool, but everyone needs to accept that this game could had done MUCH MUCH MUCH better.

You may be right - I am not sure how nice the sales of their next game will be though. Trust and all that.

The sales will be fine, the product they release next is generally judged on the qualities of that product, your trust issues aside. This has been shown time and time again with every new release and will continue to be the case.

"Shown time and time again"?
Research? Link?

Well DA2's sales never really impacted ME3's that much but now both DA and ME are toxic ,as is Biowares reputation and they are running out of IP's.

Things will sell if you stick a big enough advertising budget behind them, but that still cuts into profits if not units sold.

Nicely put.
Although I would include TOR as well, in addition to DA2 and ME3.

I make it a point not to speak about things I've never played unless it's in general terms. It seems a fairly safe bet that TOR is both underperforming and bleeding players at quite a rate.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 01 avril 2012 - 10:23 .

[Murkman4683]

Fight the power guys, keep standing up to the "man", your Internet mob is the toughest ever! I cannot wait until Bioware just shuts these forums down, then maybe some of you will move on to caring about something that actually matters, but probably not. I do not understand how any of you self-righteous trolls actually thinks this is good. You actually expect Bioware/EA to give us free DLC? Good for the industry you say, I think not, these companies have no problem crapping on our user rights, I see them tightening the noose even more.

Stay frosty, good job destroying a decent video game company.

[Dragoonlordz]

L00p wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

L00p wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

L00p wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

people people!!!!

ME3 is not a failed product at all, first day sales and pre orders where MORE than enough to put this game on the green numbers, anyone that says otherwise is a fool, but everyone needs to accept that this game could had done MUCH MUCH MUCH better.

You may be right - I am not sure how nice the sales of their next game will be though. Trust and all that.

The sales will be fine, the product they release next is generally judged on the qualities of that product, your trust issues aside. This has been shown time and time again with every new release and will continue to be the case.

"Shown time and time again"?
Research? Link?

Well DA2's sales never really impacted ME3's that much but now both DA and ME are toxic ,as is Biowares reputation and they are running out of IP's.

Things will sell if you stick a big enough advertising budget behind them, but that still cuts into profits if not units sold.

Nicely put.
Although I would include TOR as well, in addition to DA2 and ME3.

DA2 was much more disliked than ME3, this is reflected in the massive difference between what that sold. The same is not happening here regarding sales. The only difference between that and this time is the smaller amount of people expressing dislike here is more focused into group and actions, but make no mistake DA2 was disliked by more people than have expressed disliked of the endings of this title. Yet when you visit the DA2 section many of the people who did not enjoy DA2 are saying they are very interested in what DA3 will be like and looking towards picking it up based on how it turns out, I am one of many in that regard who feels the same way.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 avril 2012 - 10:26 .