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[The Razman]

Il Divo wrote...

Ah, but that's the thing: we can say how many endings there are and whether we got A, B, or C. They made it exceptionally easy for us as it's currently designed. It doesn't matter whether he's attempting to pass of the ability to kill Tali or whatever as an "ending". You could kill her in ME2 - is he going to throw that on top of the pile in his list of "endings"? I highly doubt it.  You see, ultimately it does have the traditional game format.

How so? Did you get ending A, where technology is destroyed and Earth is saved? Or B, where technology is destroyed and the Earth burns up? Or C, where technology is destroyed and you get to have a chat with Anderson? Or D, or E, or F, or ... you get the picture.

Our expectation was that there'd be loads of different endings. Instead, there's loads of slightly different endings. Do I see why that disappointed a bunch of people? Yup. Does that make it lying? A-nope.

[freche]

 Reading the ME3 Product Description on Amazon.co.uk

Manufacturer's Description
<snip>
Features:

• A rich, branching storyline: Experience a sci-fi epic with multiple endings determined by your choices and actions throughout the game.

I'd say that no one got what that describes.

Modifié par freche, 01 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[Dragoonlordz]

L00p wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

L00p wrote...

kbct wrote...

The Razman wrote...

L00p wrote...

You're fooling no one with your quasi rhetoric.
Just put it to rest, we've handed your butt to you several times already.

*sigh* Your fail trolling is rather annoying.

Well, you were wrong about several things in this thread. First, you thought is an April Fools joke. "Methinks" you were wrong. Then you thought sales were stopped across all platforms. Wrong again.

Now you think people are "actively lying" and assume the complaints were because of the ending or false adverstising. It's a "new low." It's "too damn far." "It's a sign that people are abusing a complaints system to try and stop people from buying a game they didn't like."

This.
More and more convinced he is paid.

I am sure he is paid just not by Bioware, the fact you assume someone is paid by Bioware puts you in the same hypocritical status as the element you agreed with which states about making assumptions. Congratulations you unlocked the "Hypocrite" achievement.

Point out excactly where I wrote that he is paid by BioWare, please.

Then who do you think he is paid by? Care to share?

[Dragoonlordz]

freche wrote...

 Reading the ME3 Product Description on Amazon.co.uk

Manufacturer's Description<snip>Features:

• A rich, branching storyline: Experience a sci-fi epic with multiple endings determined by your choices and actions throughout the game.

I'd say that no one got what that describes.

It is true (description), they are 'similar' but not 'the same' and they are based on choices in the game.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 avril 2012 - 08:01 .

[kbct]

The Razman wrote...

kbct wrote...

Well, you were wrong about several things in this thread. First, you thought is an April Fools joke. "Methinks" you were wrong. Then you thought sales were stopped across all platforms. Wrong again.

Um ... everyone thought it was an April Fool's joke at first. Checked the date? And it's not an unreasonable assumption that it was happening across all platforms ... considering the messages were appearing on all three platforms when you selected them from the initial link. What would you assume?

Go reread the first posts. Other people thought it was legit before you posted.

By the way, if you considered what I said and what others said before jumping to conclusions, you wouldn't sound so foolish.

[The Razman]

slyguy200 wrote...

He never said tha he was paid by BW, i don't really know where anyone did.

slyguy200 wrote...

Raz is being paid to argue with us.

Imma vamoose from this thread, until the trolling stops from slyguy and LooP. Hilarious as they are.

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Then who do you think he is paid by? Care to share?

EA pay people to virally market their games on message boards and gamesites. Whether or not he's one of those, who knows.

[Red Viking]

The Razman wrote...

Red Viking wrote...

The Razman wrote...

L00p wrote...

Well, then that "hype" shouldn't be existing in the first place, since it is lying (calling it freakin' marketing doesn't make it anything else). Do not promise what you can't deliver. Simple.

They delivered everything they said. They merely built expectations higher than they could handle.

Welcome to marketing. You don't sue Pringles for being able to physically stop once you've opened a can. That's called hype. If people can't handle that media hype and actual product are two different things, they're going to have an awful lot of problems surviving in the world.

I disagree.  I've studied marketing and my first instinct tells me that writing off and/or betraying customer expectations is a very fast way to lose both buisness and goodwill.  You hype things in order to create excitement about a product and/or service.  But you never, ever tell your customers something you can't and/or don't deliver because they will hold you to that.

Sure. The fact that people are unsatisfied = a screw up, definitely.

Do your marketing instincts tell you that they "lied" and should be reported to the FCA and have their products messed with on Amazon, though?

Considering that Casy Hudson is on record saying that the endings wouldn't be A, B or C, I can't blame people who feel the way they do.  I feel similar and it's why people have a hard time trusting BioWare right now.  Those statements are very damaging and, if they're announcing what I suspect they're going to at PAX, then BioWare has gone about their master plan in the absolute worst PR way possible

As for the negative reviews on Amazon, I feel that if people think that the last ten minutes decreased the quality of their gaming experience, they are absolutely justified in giving the game whatever score they feel is appropriate.  

The FCA exists for a reason and is an invaluable tool for consumers.  I may felt that it was unnecessary, but my personal opinion doesn't invalidate the fact that someone else thought it necessary to do so.

[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Ah, but that's the thing: we can say how many endings there are and whether we got A, B, or C. They made it exceptionally easy for us as it's currently designed. It doesn't matter whether he's attempting to pass of the ability to kill Tali or whatever as an "ending". You could kill her in ME2 - is he going to throw that on top of the pile in his list of "endings"? I highly doubt it.  You see, ultimately it does have the traditional game format.

How so? Did you get ending A, where technology is destroyed and Earth is saved? Or B, where technology is destroyed and the Earth burns up? Or C, where technology is destroyed and you get to have a chat with Anderson? Or D, or E, or F, or ... you get the picture.

Our expectation was that there'd be loads of different endings. Instead, there's loads of slightly different endings. Do I see why that disappointed a bunch of people? Yup. Does that make it lying? A-nope.

No d, e, or f or anything else, just a1, a2,or b1, b2, or c1, c2 etc. they do not count as being full on addotional endings.
Changed angles again have you, well you are still pretty much wrong.

A1, A2 and A3 are still different endings. It was not A, A and A. Sorry but the product description is accurate even if your feelings were hurt about what you played. The product description on that site is correct and the product will be back up the moment a human on the other end see's the complaint.

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Then who do you think he is paid by? Care to share?

EA pay people to virally market their games on message boards and gamesites. Whether or not he's one of those, who knows.

The point is he agreed about a reply which stated should not be making assumptions then goes and makes an assumption about the other person being paid by the developer or publisher. It still equals hypocrite no matter how you look at it.

[killnoob]

not to ruin the fun of everyone bashing the game...but read it carefully...

http://www.amazon.co...pd_rhf_gw_p_t_1

the warning amazon issued was targeted at a particular seller: "Sent2u by hts-scotland."
"Dispatched from and sold by Sent2u by hts-scotland." It is more likely that some people have file a complaints against that seller.

you can still get collector's edition, PS3, pc version of the SAME game on the same AMAZON website(from different sellers). 

OP should change the title of this thread, it is very misleading to say that "AMAZON HAS STOP SELLING ME3"

Modifié par killnoob, 01 avril 2012 - 08:15 .

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

A1, A2 and A3 are still different endings. It was not A, A and A. Sorry but the product description is accurate even if your feelings were hurt about what you played. The product description on that site is correct and the product will be back up the moment a human on the other end see's the complaint.

The false adverstising claims wouldn't stand up in court, but that doesn't matter. What matters is people feel misled by the statements.

[Dragoonlordz]

L00p wrote...

freche wrote...

 Reading the ME3 Product Description on Amazon.co.uk

Manufacturer's Description<snip>Features:

• A rich, branching storyline: Experience a sci-fi epic with multiple endings determined by your choices and actions throughout the game.

I'd say that no one got what that describes.

I'd argue that "multiple endings determined by your actions throughout" is pretty important.

Without the "throughout" word one could (hardly, but still) argue that your last three A, B and C choices would be considered as enough of your choices and actions to impact the ending.

Instead the word "throughout" clearly depicts that your choices and actions through the whole game, from start to finish, will impact the endings, which it does not do.

It is still a correct product descrption. Whether you have x, y or z fighting with you at the end, for example who steps off the normandy is based on choices you made prior to the end, the choices at the end still have an effect, the assets do have an effect just not as much as people would have liked.

[Dragoonlordz]

killnoob wrote...

not to ruin the fun of everyone bashing the game...but read it carefully...

http://www.amazon.co...pd_rhf_gw_p_t_1

the warning amazon issued was targeted at a particular seller: "Sent2u by hts-scotland."
"Dispatched from and sold by Sent2u by hts-scotland." It is more likely that some people have file a complaints against that seller.

you can still get collector's edition, PS3, pc version of the SAME game on the same AMAZON website(from different sellers). 

I just noticed the game clearly is selling from them still, the comment you made is correct but also note that 5 minutes ago they had 8 in stock now they have 5.

[kbct]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Then who do you think he is paid by? Care to share?

EA pay people to virally market their games on message boards and gamesites. Whether or not he's one of those, who knows.

The point is he agreed about a reply which stated should not be making assumptions then goes and makes an assumption about the other person being paid by the developer or publisher. It still equals hypocrite no matter how you look at it.

Do you think EA pays people to post on forums?

[Il Divo]

The Razman wrote...

How so? Did you get ending A, where technology is destroyed and Earth is saved? Or B, where technology is destroyed and the Earth burns up? Or C, where technology is destroyed and you get to have a chat with Anderson? Or D, or E, or F, or ... you get the picture.

Our expectation was that there'd be loads of different endings. Instead, there's loads of slightly different endings. Do I see why that disappointed a bunch of people? Yup. Does that make it lying? A-nope.

Ah, and now you hit on the huge problem. You literally just summed up everything that's wrong with the marketing process in that little two sentence example. "It's not an A, B, or C style ending. Your actions also affect Earth, resulting in a two second cut-scene".

It is this kind of stuff which pisses off the consumer and results outrage and claims that Bioware lied. I assume you are familiar with the lie of omission, yes? The simple idea is that not giving the whole picture or creating a misrepresentation of what something can do is considered misleading. If your mother asks you who stole the money from her purse and you answer "my brother did it" when it was really both of you, that's generally not looked upon well.  

Speaking in technicalities doesn't get anyone extra credit, it does not make you seem more credible, it does not create a bond of good will between you and the customer-base. If ME3 instead had an A, B, C, D style ending instead of A, B, C the claim that they didn't lie would still not hold water because of the implications, much as anything else.

But ultimately don't care that they lied or not. I simply want it fixed, preferably through paid dlc.