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[Ragebourne]

I just find the back of their heads weird

[RyuujinZERO]

I always thought asari were a rather fascinating case. When I first saw them I thought "geez, how unoriginal, blue space babes" - this is silly.

But they actually have sexual cues for just about all the major races - for a race that can and prefers to reproduce with members of other species, being sexually attractive to them is a genetic trait that would be selected for and drive their development, this could occur quite quickly given how they shape their genetic structure based on the partner so their existance and appearance actually makes a hell of a lot of sense.

But I still agree with the Op too; they're essentially a parasitic race

[Nathan Redgrave]

Overule wrote...

Fact: an Asari has a lifespan that stretches over several centuries. If you take one message away from a romantic relationship between a Human and Asari, it's that you (the human) are entirely replaceable. To them 50 years of marriage is like a long weekend.

Which was the subject of a rather amusing tactless comment by one asari NPC in ME2, if I recall. Shepard got a really mean look on his face when she said that.

Counter-Fact: If you are not, in fact, "replacable" to the asari, that disparate-lifespan issue guarantees a bittersweet conclusion to the romance.

Fact: they can invade your thoughts. Worse still, they do it during sexual activity. Meaning that hooking up with an Asari, ANY Asari for any amount of time means giving up the sum total of your secrets to her. And while in ME this kind of bonding took place mostly between willing partners (Shep/Liara), Morinth stands as a horrifically suitable counterpoint. And think about this, what about Asari rapists? I don't mean Ardat Yakshi, I just mean the mundane kind that sexually assault people to feel powerful. They'd need to exist somewhere, an Asari's basic psychology isn't that different from that of a human being. And an Asari rapist doesn't *just* violate your body, she violates your most intimate memories and dreams.

A rapist is a rapist is a rapist, no matter the method or biology. I'm no more creeped out by the idea of asari rapists than human ones... which is still quite a lot creeped out, I just don't see why it should affect my view of the species as a whole. That would be a double-standard.

Fact: they're trying to edge you out of the evolutionary race.

 
Counter-Fact: No one cares about the evolutionary race.
Addendum: Those that do need to sort out their goddamn priorities.

Fact: they're all biotic, and get stronger over time. Meaning every single one of them could potentially tear apart whatever room they're standing in with a singularity.

Counter-Fact: generating biotic fields strong enough to do that would take far more advanced biotic power and amplification technology than is currently possible in the ME universe, and would take a conscious effort. Biotics also require quite a lot of training to use in such a way, so it's not something they could do without meaning to.

but I suspect that even the *physical* aspect of people's attraction to these freaky things is involuntary.

Physical attraction is always involuntary, dude.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 01 avril 2012 - 06:25 .

[silentassassin264]

I would agree with the OP except if anything the Asari proved that they are ambitionless morons. Who cares if they are infinitely your greater if they are too stupid to ever be able to put you down.

[Tirigon]

Overule wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Rachni are special because they have such a strong affinity for messing with minds themselves.

So Rachni having similar capabilities makes them *more* susceptible to having their heads tampered with with by Asari? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You'd think the opposite.

Actually no.

Lets use computers as an analogy:
The asari are hackers trying to get into your system.
The Rachni are permanently linked via W-Lan. They probably have safeguards, but these can be circumvented.

The humans however have no internet connection. Hacking them is therefore nigh-impossible, unless you make a physical LAN connection they agree to.

[Tirigon]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

I don't find them themselves creepy, just the way they're portrayed and presented as every guy's wet dream.
I don't get it, what's so attractive about them? Maybe it's because I'm female, but I don't see anything attractive in them.

They appeal to the western beauty ideal, but have tentacle heads and blue skin mixed in for an exotic touch.

silentassassin264 wrote...

I would agree with the OP
except if anything the Asari proved that they are ambitionless morons.
Who cares if they are infinitely your greater if they are too stupid to
ever be able to put you down.

Maybe they are just peaceful. Or would you call the big boxer in your town an "ambitionless moron" if he doesnt rob you just because he could break all your bones without even sweating?

Modifié par Tirigon, 01 avril 2012 - 06:32 .

[sorentoft]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Fact: they're trying to edge you out of the evolutionary race.

Counter-Fact: No one cares about the evolutionary race.
Addendum: Those that do need to sort out their goddamn priorities.

I disagree. I find it a very foolish attitude not to care about the evolutionary race. It is exactly what would make the Asari the dominant species, and that means not humans. But then again, sorting away the humans who may be attracted to Asari might be beneficial in the long run.

[kalle90]

If real life humans can cosplay as asari, they could damn well make themselves look human.

Now that would be a surprise after a long relationship.

[Tirigon]

sorentoft wrote...

I disagree. I find it a very foolish attitude not to care about the evolutionary race. It is exactly what would make the Asari the dominant species, and that means not humans. But then again, sorting away the humans who may be attracted to Asari might be beneficial in the long run.

Evolutionary race is nothing a sentient species has to be concerned with. The only thing that can stop them are themselves, by means of their pointless wars.

[AkiKishi]

If you are going to get mind raped by someone it may as well be a hot blue space lesbian.

[FenixWylde]

BobSmith101 wrote...

If you are going to get mind raped by someone it may as well be a hot blue space lesbian.

I have a shotgun...

[FenixWylde]

Overule wrote...

FenixWylde wrote...

..and that is why I'd stick to Quarians

What's wrong with the old fashioned kind of vagina? Call me crazy but I jumped at the opportunity to jump into bed with a human engineered to be physically perfect. The personality/opinion overlap was just icing on the cake. That's about as close to an ideal partner as you could possibly hope to get >.>

I enjoy unwrapping my gifts

[Homey C-Dawg]

Good thing they are space elves, because we all know that elves are almost always depicted as being perfect, powerful, and capable of conquest, but just don't want to.

Personally, I don't find asari to be overly creepy, but just plain nonsensical.

[Harshfact]

Overule wrote...

Harshfact wrote...

That is actually creepy ... if the asari existed. nevertheless interesting points there

Well da-hoy. You're on a forum discussing the details of a universe in which we already put men on Mars and FTL travel is a standardized process. I'm just pointing out why I find people's theorhetical love for these theorhetical ladies bizarre and unsettling.

i'm aware of that , while points risen are quite true
they seem a bit too serious. and prejudiced ... don't get me wrong i love discussing
stuff but i preferably take them as neutral rather than creepy rather
than bizarre or unsettling. just because they can manipulate, doesn't
necessarily make them evil or weird but everyone can have their own take
on it i suppose

[MisterJB]

Overule wrote...
Fact: they're trying to edge you out of the evolutionary race. So it's been pointed out that Asari can *mate* with literally anything that moves, but no matter what these couplings always produce 100% Asari children. Making matters worse, it's been pointed out that any member of any species (male or female) has the potential to fall for an Asari. And the cherry on the creepy milkshake? *They actively prefer to seek out partners from other species*. Meaning that not only does every mixed Asari couple grow the blue babe population, but it actively shrinks the population of every other species in the galaxy by depriving them of future children.

Good, someone else who can see the asari for the threat to all organic life in the galaxy that they are.
Maybe there is still hope.

[sorentoft]

Tirigon wrote...

sorentoft wrote...

I disagree. I find it a very foolish attitude not to care about the evolutionary race. It is exactly what would make the Asari the dominant species, and that means not humans. But then again, sorting away the humans who may be attracted to Asari might be beneficial in the long run.

Evolutionary race is nothing a sentient species has to be concerned with. The only thing that can stop them are themselves, by means of their pointless wars.

It would not be pointless if it ensured human dominance in the galaxy.

[tbb033]

Never trust any species that mates with Hanar AND Elcor.

[Overule]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Fact: they can invade your thoughts. Worse still, they do it during sexual activity. Meaning that hooking up with an Asari, ANY Asari for any amount of time means giving up the sum total of your secrets to her. And while in ME this kind of bonding took place mostly between willing partners (Shep/Liara), Morinth stands as a horrifically suitable counterpoint. And think about this, what about Asari rapists? I don't mean Ardat Yakshi, I just mean the mundane kind that sexually assault people to feel powerful. They'd need to exist somewhere, an Asari's basic psychology isn't that different from that of a human being. And an Asari rapist doesn't *just* violate your body, she violates your most intimate memories and dreams.

A rapist is a rapist is a rapist, no matter the method or biology. I'm no more creeped out by the idea of asari rapists than human ones... which is still quite a lot creeped out, I just don't see why it should affect my view of the species as a whole. That would be a double-standard.

Wrong. I'm sorry, but *direct* mind rape? Entirely different order of violation than forcing your genitals into contact with someone elses. Its the difference between normal ordinance and a nuclear bomb.

Modifié par Overule, 01 avril 2012 - 07:09 .

[kalle90]

By looking at certain posts it looks like some people never played ME. What was Shepard doing? Uniting all the races under the rainbow. Do you not agree with his quest or what?

The theme of next game? Reaper threat is over so asari/turian/krogan/etc can all start to seek dominance over the galaxy? Shepard is flying out there somewhere facepalming.

[What a Succulent Ass]

kalle90 wrote...

The theme of next game? Reaper threat is over so asari/turian/krogan/etc can all start to seek dominance over the galaxy? Shepard is flying out there somewhere facepalming.

Considering that they are all stuck on the ravaged Earth, that is exactly what will happen.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Overule wrote...

Wrong. I'm sorry, but *direct* mind rape? Entirely different order of violation than forcing your genitals into contact with someone elses. Its the difference between normal ordinance and a nuclear bomb.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Explain.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Well Banshees rape the sh/t out of me in mp

[wizardryforever]

So far as I know, it's not really possible for an asari to force their way into someone's mind.  Thus some random asari wouldn't be able to mind-rape you.  You must agree to the joining, otherwise the connection fails.  Now the caveat is that once she has access to your mind, she could technically mind-rape you then.  Ardat-yakshi are no exception.  They have to trick you into agreeing to having sex with them, but they have taken the asari sexual attraction scheme to the highest level, and practically indoctrinate you into agreeing.  Sure, an asari could still physically rape you, but so could any sentient being with enough strength.  Don't see how this is unique to asari.

As for the whole "evolutionary race" thing, that's only because the asari have realized that alien DNA provides better randomization in their reproduction.  Purebloods are the only asari that can be Ardat-yakshi, after all.  It's more like the asari are trying to eliminate their own genetic weakness, instead of edging out other species.  Also bear in mind that there's really nothing preventing any partners of asari from going off and having children of their own species, other than social norms or possible medical issues (like the genophage).  Though according to the books, there's a widespread belief that "once you go asari you never go back," since apparently the sex is just that good.  But still, I think you're over-estimating the asari's motives.

And technically, not all have biotics.  Though not having any biotics is rare enough that it's a condition looked on with pity by other asari.  Also, having biotics and being good at them are entirely different things.  Biotics require training, practice, and an amp to be effective.

Also consider that the asari government is more fragmented than any other council species.  The e-democracy idea sounds good on paper, but really the only authority recognized by all asari is that of the Councilor.  This puts a huge damper on just how powerful they are as a species.  As a certain bartending matriarch said, "art and philosophy and political prowess isn't going to cut it."

Modifié par wizardryforever, 01 avril 2012 - 07:21 .

[Tirigon]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Good thing they are space elves, because we all know that elves are almost always depicted as being perfect, powerful, and capable of conquest, but just don't want to.

They are not capable of conquest:
A typical elven warrior is worth as much as 20 humans in combat.
A typical human army is 50 times bigger than an elven one. And they can replenish their numbers much faster.

Go figure.

sorentoft wrote...

It would not be pointless if it ensured human dominance in the galaxy.

Human dominance is ensured forever, unless humanity wipes itself out.

Which, given the sad state of the world, is a lot more likely than ever being able to leave Earth IRL.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Overule wrote...

FenixWylde wrote...

..and that is why I'd stick to Quarians

What's wrong with the old fashioned kind of vagina? Call me crazy but I jumped at the opportunity to jump into bed with a human engineered to be physically perfect. The personality/opinion overlap was just icing on the cake. That's about as close to an ideal partner as you could possibly hope to get >.>

I'm sure everything has ****** and a vagina in Bioware's universe. Let's ask Joker.