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[Suspire]

Tirigon wrote...

Suspire wrote...

The goal of whack jobs. And they have nothing to do with my very valid reasons why I don't like them.

Different names but we talk about the same people. As I explained before.

Seems I have exausted your circular logic then. Okay, no argument here.

Which if you read up on language and feminism, you would know why it's still called this way.

Stop insulting me. Language changes, and names have to change with times.

Telling you to read is insulting? Interesting. I do hope you see discussing feminism with people who know little about it in a forum is not the best idea. I'd read up on language more too, like why the word homophobia doesn't mean fear of gays.

Oh your taste on chicks is relevant to her cleavage and how she's sexualized by the very characters in the game, how?

You said her looks are fanservice to men. I gave you a male PoV on her looks.

Oh yes, because I don't know any males nor have I seen anyone express delight at her cleavage. You can pretend that the very characters in the game don't have excited lines about her looks, as well.

Yes I'm gonna pretend you don't find them hot because they have the exaact shape of super models. No wait, I still won't.

Yes, because you obviously know me better than I do myself. I guess we can stop here, people with such a know-it-all attitude arent worth talking to.

Ditto.

Modifié par Suspire, 02 avril 2012 - 11:03 .

[Tirigon]

Suspire wrote...

Seems I have exausted your circular logic then. Okay, no argument here.

It is no circular logic, and if you were actually able to read and understand my posts you would have figured that out by now.

Telling you to read is insulting? Interesting. I do hope you see
discussing feminism with people who know little about it in a forum is
not the best idea.

It is, because it implies I do not know what I talk about. Which is not the case.
Discussing feminism is always pointless because people tend to agree with my point, but disagree with my insistance in calling it what it is.

They, like you, prefer to declare those feminists they do not like as "whackjobs" or "femi-n@zis" rather than admit that it is a stupid concept to start with.

One does not need to be feminist to be in favor of equal rights for men and women. Not being a r******* is enough for that end.

And at any rate, it shouldnt even matter. For me, gender is something people should choose themselves.

[Suspire]

I agree (not on the gender thing, I think you are born with one even if it doesn't fit your sex and body). But when you label the entirety of a movement as "superiority over men" because of its name you are discrediting so many different women you have no idea. The concept is not stupid if you study it and try to see from the eyes of a minority. Or just from someone who isn't you.
Calling them "ultra-feminists" is better.

But still I'd read up on language more too, like why the word homophobia doesn't mean fear of gays.

edit:

Nevertheless they have all the power and are the perfect women.....

They have all the power because they don't have males to share power with, obviously.

Then you went back to saying it's what feminists want. Which we had already discussed and had nothign to do with the point I made.
So that's what I meant by exaustion.

Modifié par Suspire, 02 avril 2012 - 11:52 .

[Gear54]

I always saw the Asari as a manipulative race. I mean, extremely long life life span + children always being asari + culture that focuses on spreading outward to the rest of the galaxy = species custom made for galactic domination. I mean, were as other species actually tried to develop their technology, the asari outright cheated and practically stole all the other species's developments, hell, they didn't even discover fire. Also, mind rape makes things even worse. So when you think about it, the asari are Xenomorph-tier evil.

So, in other words, I don't find them creepy. I find them downright untrustful and evil. 

Modifié par Gear54, 02 avril 2012 - 11:19 .

[Lynata]

Suspire wrote...

sorentoft wrote...
It's pretty obvious when you look at Liara or her mother. They are scaly.

Slightly. When you look in a close up. They're obviously the hot blue exotic babes. Srsly, have you ever heard anyone complain about their skin?

To be fair, I didn't at all take it as "scales" - not more than any human has this.

Take a good look at your hand and you'll see similar lines.

http://www.raising-r...SkinCloseup.jpg

[greggm2000]

Gear54 wrote...

I always saw the Asari as a manipulative race. I mean, extremely long life life span + children always being asari + culture that focuses on spreading outward to the rest of the galaxy = species custom made for galactic domination. I mean, were as other species actually tried to develop their technology, the asari outright cheated and practically stole all the other species's developments, hell, they didn't even discover fire. Also, mind rape makes things even worse. So when you think about it, the asari are Xenomorph-tier evil.

So, in other words, I don't find them creepy. I find them downright untrustful and evil. 

All intelligent races are going to be manipulative to some degree, that's inherent I think. A species made for galactic domination? I don't think so, their birthrate is far too low for that... but we do have a good example of it: the Krogan... plus, they tried it once.

I wouldn't say the Asari cheated, but they did get a boost from the Protheans. I don't see how that means they stole other species' developments.

Mind rape? I still don't think that's possible apart from some outlier cases such as Morinth. Many other races have their evil outliers too.

No, if the Asari were evil, they'd own the galaxy and would have exterminated their competitors before they achieved spaceflight. They didn't, not even close.

[Suspire]

Lynata wrote...

Suspire wrote...

sorentoft wrote...
It's pretty obvious when you look at Liara or her mother. They are scaly.

Slightly. When you look in a close up. They're obviously the hot blue exotic babes. Srsly, have you ever heard anyone complain about their skin?

To be fair, I didn't at all take it as "scales" - not more than any human has this.

Take a good look at your hand and you'll see similar lines.

http://www.raising-r...SkinCloseup.jpg

Yeah I've thought about it too, but human skin doesn't show what just looking at an asari face shows. You have to look a lot closer to see skin texture on humans.
But in some lighting they just look really smooth! - asari skin I mean. Sometime after ME2 though I did notice how in some lighting they look "slightly" scaly, the texture is more prominent than on humans, but the game graphics confuse me sometimes, even human skin looks strange though not quite the same as asari. I think BW just tried to create a slightly alien look on it.

About your previous post btw, I agree, and I don't hate the asari, I just get bothered that someone thought what a great idea it was to design them like this, and saw nothing wrong, and having to justify them being how they are in order to appear less sexist. They had to have the Green-Skinned Space Babe trope and use some classic female stereotypes as well. They could have thrown in 3 breasts to make it more alien (it could be hotter too)?
I don't hate fanservice in general, actually I make fanservice, which is why I don't even like talking about this. I even defended Shepard being a hot blonde who wears make up. Anyone who knows me would just say "hey but what about those sexy pinups you make of femShep with her boobs all out etc" (which got a bunch of people calling me names when BW posted on their facebook page). So I'm actually all for pretty ladies for everyone but the concept of the species still bothers me, even with their good points (and the kickass Aethyta and Aria).

[Han Shot First]

sorentoft wrote...

Suspire wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

sorentoft wrote...

But they are also a male fan-service in that they are the western ideal for a woman, that is blue and willing to shag with anything.

I dont really think blue reptilian skin and no hair is a beauty ideal of any human culture.

hahahah. Okay I'm gonna pretend you don't have to look at a super close up of their skin to see any difference from the human skin, aside from color. Oh wait, no I won't.

It's pretty obvious when you look at Liara or her mother. They are scaly.

The details on their skin just looks like bigger pores, rather than reptilian scales. Maybe to absorb more dust level element zero from the enviroment, since it is so closely tied in with their biology.

[Suspire]

I think they look too big to be pores, but it's just my opinion.

[Tirigon]

Suspire wrote...

I agree (not on the gender thing, I think you are born with one even if it doesn't fit your sex and body). But when you label the entirety of a movement as "superiority over men" because of its name you are discrediting so many different women you have no idea. The concept is not stupid if you study it and try to see from the eyes of a minority. Or just from someone who isn't you.
Calling them "ultra-feminists" is better.

But still I'd read up on language more too, like why the word homophobia doesn't mean fear of gays.

Well, homphobi is a great example to prove my point, imo. Because it DOES mean being in oposition to gays!

Sure, not literally - originally it just means "fear of the same". But if someone is accused of homophobia then that is not what you MEAN.

By the way, "gay" is another such example - there used to be a time not long ago when gay just meant "happy" or "jolly". Even Tolkien refers to the hobbites as "gay little fellows" at one point.
But nowadays, if you you use the word gay you refer to male homosexuals, and most happy people would be at the very least confused, if not offended, if you refer to them as gays. Although literally you are correct.

[Tirigon]

Han Shot First wrote...

The details on their skin just looks like bigger pores, rather than reptilian scales. Maybe to absorb more dust level element zero from the enviroment, since it is so closely tied in with their biology.

That would be pretty disgusting then, and not sexy at all....


No, I like my Liara so I'll stick with reptilian scales, thank you very much:D

[Suspire]

Tirigon wrote...

Suspire wrote...

I agree (not on the gender thing, I think you are born with one even if it doesn't fit your sex and body). But when you label the entirety of a movement as "superiority over men" because of its name you are discrediting so many different women you have no idea. The concept is not stupid if you study it and try to see from the eyes of a minority. Or just from someone who isn't you.
Calling them "ultra-feminists" is better.

But still I'd read up on language more too, like why the word homophobia doesn't mean fear of gays.

Well, homphobi is a great example to prove my point, imo. Because it DOES mean being in oposition to gays!

Sure, not literally - originally it just means "fear of the same". But if someone is accused of homophobia then that is not what you MEAN.

By the way, "gay" is another such example - there used to be a time not long ago when gay just meant "happy" or "jolly". Even Tolkien refers to the hobbites as "gay little fellows" at one point.
But nowadays, if you you use the word gay you refer to male homosexuals, and most happy people would be at the very least confused, if not offended, if you refer to them as gays. Although literally you are correct.

Yeah and I said that because "feminist" doesn't relate to female-only problems despite the name, and certainly not a female supremacy. I know what gay means very well thank you.
No, it doesn't prove anything you said in any way. Proof involves fact, and you have opinions.

Modifié par Suspire, 03 avril 2012 - 06:06 .

[FanHarel]

I never really found myself drawn to the Asari. They're supposedly the "fairest beings" in the galaxy, but apart from skin color, facial marks, and slightly different facial features, they all basically look the same. That's why I was instantly drawn to Quarians. That mystique they have of remaining hidden behind the masks is strangely attractive.

[What a Succulent Ass]

FanHarel wrote...

I never really found myself drawn to the Asari. They're supposedly the "fairest beings" in the galaxy, but apart from skin color, facial marks, and slightly different facial features, they all basically look the same. That's why I was instantly drawn to Quarians. That mystique they have of remaining hidden behind the masks is strangely attractive.

[FanHarel]

Random Jerkface wrote...

FanHarel wrote...

I never really found myself drawn to the Asari. They're supposedly the "fairest beings" in the galaxy, but apart from skin color, facial marks, and slightly different facial features, they all basically look the same. That's why I was instantly drawn to Quarians. That mystique they have of remaining hidden behind the masks is strangely attractive.

Perhaps I shoul have mentioned that I find the Quarian female's curvaceous figures to be a plus as well?

[What a Succulent Ass]

[FanHarel]

Random Jerkface wrote...

That's...better...I guess...

[Brohammed]

Overule wrote...
Speculation: the "human" faces aren't real. This all goes back to one line from ME2 in which a Salarian bachelor party discusses how all the different species present insist that Asari look exactly like their own species. Now this hasn't ever been confirmed or denied, but I suspect that even the *physical* aspect of people's attraction to these freaky things is involuntary. Given the whole freaking invasive nervous system bit, the weirdness that it is Ardat Yakshi-dom and the abundance of bizarre biotic powers? I'm perfectly willing to believe that they don't even remotely resemble the tentacle haired waifs I've been looking at for three games. That image is just what a human being (Shepard) sees when they look at an Asari.

I can only imagine what kind of nightmare spawned horror they actually are.

All your points only make the Asari even more interesting to me haha.

[Breakdown Boy]

Perception is reality, so doesn't really matter if they have a "true form", you only see hotness, thus only hotness exists.

[G3rman]

Wow, I leave for a while and BSN discusses something like this seriously? Well, have fun talking about imaginary beings that you will never interact outside of the game and within the game do not act or show the act of anything you just described.

[Suspire]

G3rman wrote...

Wow, I leave for a while and BSN discusses something like this seriously? Well, have fun talking about imaginary beings that you will never interact outside of the game and within the game do not act or show the act of anything you just described.

So you have just been introduced to the concept of fandom?

[Bebopbeats]

I find the asari view of sex, reproduction and relationships to be pretty creepy in general. I like most of the asari NPCs, so long as they're NOT attracted to Shepard. Maybe it's because I'm female, but to me the asari are beautiful but not very sexy, so when they turn the biotic/alien flirtation up to full trying to get some Shepard lovin it just makes me uncomfortable.

They just seem so mercenary as a society about finding 'outstanding partners' with the 'best genes' to offer. Which explains the prejudice of pure bloods, another asari is seen as having nothing new to offer to the race as a whole. I think Liara (probably unconsiously) does this when she meets the 'exceptional' human Shepard and her naturally obsessive personality resulted in her strong infactuation with him/her, which doesn't dissipate no matter how uninterested Shepard is throughout the games.

[Han Shot First]

Tirigon wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

The details on their skin just looks like bigger pores, rather than reptilian scales. Maybe to absorb more dust level element zero from the enviroment, since it is so closely tied in with their biology.

That would be pretty disgusting then, and not sexy at all....


No, I like my Liara so I'll stick with reptilian scales, thank you very much:D

Why would pores be disgusting? We have pores in our own skin.

[sorentoft]

Breakdown Boy wrote...

Perception is reality, so doesn't really matter if they have a "true form", you only see hotness, thus only hotness exists.

That's a good point actually.

[greggm2000]

Bebopbeats wrote...

I find the asari view of sex, reproduction and relationships to be pretty creepy in general. I like most of the asari NPCs, so long as they're NOT attracted to Shepard. Maybe it's because I'm female, but to me the asari are beautiful but not very sexy, so when they turn the biotic/alien flirtation up to full trying to get some Shepard lovin it just makes me uncomfortable.

They just seem so mercenary as a society about finding 'outstanding partners' with the 'best genes' to offer. Which explains the prejudice of pure bloods, another asari is seen as having nothing new to offer to the race as a whole. I think Liara (probably unconsiously) does this when she meets the 'exceptional' human Shepard and her naturally obsessive personality resulted in her strong infactuation with him/her, which doesn't dissipate no matter how uninterested Shepard is throughout the games.

I don't think that's any different from humans, except for being a bit more out in the open about it. Humans go for the "best genes" all the time, it's just that it's usually subconscious and expressed as someone being attractive (or not), or having various traits.

I don't see Liara as obsessive (though she might be).. I just see her as being enamoured of Shepard and so willing to go to fair lengths to snag the man/woman she wants... again, no different from humans. Of course if it's unwanted, if you're not interested in her, then it may make you uncomfortable (that's totally understandable). Fortunately, in the game, we have some choice. Some