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[MrNighttime]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Customer entitled to complain, boycott. Not entitled to sabotage. Review bombing =/= feedback. 

Oh it's feedback alright, it's what we really do think of the game.

My review is on Amazon at 2 stars and as paying customer who played the game I am entitled to leave my honest opinion of why I thought the game deserved that. Just as Bioware is entitled to not change a darn thing about the game. No review bomb my reasons are spelled out in my review. You can search fo my thread "Hell yes we are entitled" because there are some things as payeing customers we are entitled to (and no a new ending is not one of them).

[Dreogan]

DESTRAUDO wrote...

I have never seen fans of anything take such glee in hammering it into the dirt.

Never ever break the suspension of disbelief for a significant chunk of your mass-market audience. It'll only get uglier. A poorly-concluded story has a sort of... Pikmin affect on its audience.

Doesn't mean I agree with review-bombing. I certainly don't agree with death threats. I've actually held off on my own personal reviews since I want to give them a chance to fix things, as I consider the ending enough to invalidate their premise of story-based trilogy.

Modifié par Dreogan, 01 avril 2012 - 11:50 .

[Alamar2078]

MrNighttime wrote...

What confuses me more is the people who say  "I hated the ending but I give the game 5 out of 5". It's like saying "That diner has great food that leavesan aweful aftertase in my mouth---I go there all the time." A 4 out of 5  I could get but how can you hate the ending and give prefect score? Hey, it's their review but I don't get it.

Devil's Advocate:  There are a lot of folks that are "all about the journey" and don't really care about the ending.  I imagine one of those folks could give a 5/5 although I would tend to agree with you that even then a 4/5 would seem more fitting.  Then again it's their review and if that is their honest opinion then so be it.

FYI:  I really hated the ending and think it tarnished BW's reputation [YMMV].

[Aleru]

humes spork wrote...

vivaladricas wrote...

EA had nothing to do with the written ending, that apparatnly was Hudson and Walters.  If anything I would have shown them the door already. 

EA holds the pursestrings, and Muzyka as an exec VP can only go so far to shield the company. He still has a board of directors and shareholders to which he's accountable. The message by "retakers" should have been dampened and kept dampened until BW's April announcement(s), because an immoderate response at this point can indicate there's no salvaging the franchise and the best way to maintain the bottom line is to clear cut and run.

In which case, nobody wins. Not "retakers", not people who are on the fence, not even people who are happy with what they got and just want to see more. Certainly not BioWare nor EA, because future profitability at least on the basis of the ME franchise has been crippled beyond salvage.

You already see indicators of this: flagging ANN support and releases compared to launch week, no word on multiplayer balance fixes aside from server-side spreadsheet changes, no word on a content or bugfix patch, still no word on future DLC releases up to and including an ending fix patch. Post-release ME3 support has almost completely stalled in the last month, and that indicates something is going on behind the scenes that doesn't necessarily bode well for the fans.

Really, the question everyone should ask here, is whether they want to see the ME franchise and BW prosper, or burn. If you want to see it burn, please by all means continue but do not lay claim you're doing it to satisfy anything but your base urges and spite. If you actually want to see a positive outcome of all this, moderation and civility absolutely, positively cannot be compromised whatever the cost -- even if that means disavowing and condemning fellow "retakers" who take holding the line too far.

THIS  

[Aerevane]

Aleru wrote...

humes spork wrote...

vivaladricas wrote...

EA had nothing to do with the written ending, that apparatnly was Hudson and Walters.  If anything I would have shown them the door already. 

EA holds the pursestrings, and Muzyka as an exec VP can only go so far to shield the company. He still has a board of directors and shareholders to which he's accountable. The message by "retakers" should have been dampened and kept dampened until BW's April announcement(s), because an immoderate response at this point can indicate there's no salvaging the franchise and the best way to maintain the bottom line is to clear cut and run.

In which case, nobody wins. Not "retakers", not people who are on the fence, not even people who are happy with what they got and just want to see more. Certainly not BioWare nor EA, because future profitability at least on the basis of the ME franchise has been crippled beyond salvage.

You already see indicators of this: flagging ANN support and releases compared to launch week, no word on multiplayer balance fixes aside from server-side spreadsheet changes, no word on a content or bugfix patch, still no word on future DLC releases up to and including an ending fix patch. Post-release ME3 support has almost completely stalled in the last month, and that indicates something is going on behind the scenes that doesn't necessarily bode well for the fans.

Really, the question everyone should ask here, is whether they want to see the ME franchise and BW prosper, or burn. If you want to see it burn, please by all means continue but do not lay claim you're doing it to satisfy anything but your base urges and spite. If you actually want to see a positive outcome of all this, moderation and civility absolutely, positively cannot be compromised whatever the cost -- even if that means disavowing and condemning fellow "retakers" who take holding the line too far.

THIS  

If you want to maintain artistic integrity, that's the price to pay. Vulgarity for the masses, art for the tasteful; it usually leaves you poor.

[XqctaX]

I think that if they fail as a company becouse of consumers not liking there products
then surely it must be the products that is at fault. not the consumers that didnt like it.

especially when having a fanbased community that tirelessly tries to tell them how to improve..
they can only blame themself for the end (pun intented)

BUT, i do however Not wish that they go under, and it would surely not make me happy.
that is not why im here on the forum. I Never review-bombed them either,nor will I.
I do support the "movement" becouse i'm asking and hoping for a "change" thats it.
if someone want to say that makes me apart of the movement, thats fine.
telling me i should take part in blame for another persons actions, that's Never okay.
alot of generalation going on here lol

what i do is simple. i talk on the forum, it was made for feedback hence im here giving it.
when someone engage in a conversation about ME outside of the forum
i tell them how i feel and i do it honestly.
I advise them Not to buy it untill its been fixed or stay away if it isnt fixed.
if anyone wants to know why i eplain it to them to.

to put it in simple words.
I think that the Most Basic Rule of any storytelling no matter what format it holds is this:
Make sure that the Reader/viewer/player feel rewarded for finnishing the story and while reading/viewing/playing it, giving his/her trust to the writer of said story. plain and simple.
i cant see how anyone feel this was done with ME3. its my personal view ofc...

As a consumer and person i warn my friend of bad products, Dont you?
I also think its one of the most healthiest way for the consumers to stop the market from getting flooded with bad products.

/rant done

[Dark_Caduceus]

HenchxNarf wrote...

coolbeans wrote...

Wait, was there a lawsuit?

Or is someone misunderstanding what a FTC complaint is.

There was a lawsuit attempt and an FTC complaint. And BBB..

Complaints to the FTC and BBB are legitimate attempts at recourse for an unsatifying product; I fully support those who chose to file complaints with them regarding Mass Effect 3. But a lawsuit? Give me a break.

[Narayan23]

Aleru wrote...

humes spork wrote...

vivaladricas wrote...

EA had nothing to do with the written ending, that apparatnly was Hudson and Walters.  If anything I would have shown them the door already. 

EA holds the pursestrings, and Muzyka as an exec VP can only go so far to shield the company. He still has a board of directors and shareholders to which he's accountable. The message by "retakers" should have been dampened and kept dampened until BW's April announcement(s), because an immoderate response at this point can indicate there's no salvaging the franchise and the best way to maintain the bottom line is to clear cut and run.

In which case, nobody wins. Not "retakers", not people who are on the fence, not even people who are happy with what they got and just want to see more. Certainly not BioWare nor EA, because future profitability at least on the basis of the ME franchise has been crippled beyond salvage.

You already see indicators of this: flagging ANN support and releases compared to launch week, no word on multiplayer balance fixes aside from server-side spreadsheet changes, no word on a content or bugfix patch, still no word on future DLC releases up to and including an ending fix patch. Post-release ME3 support has almost completely stalled in the last month, and that indicates something is going on behind the scenes that doesn't necessarily bode well for the fans.

Really, the question everyone should ask here, is whether they want to see the ME franchise and BW prosper, or burn. If you want to see it burn, please by all means continue but do not lay claim you're doing it to satisfy anything but your base urges and spite. If you actually want to see a positive outcome of all this, moderation and civility absolutely, positively cannot be compromised whatever the cost -- even if that means disavowing and condemning fellow "retakers" who take holding the line too far.

THIS  

This could be an important lesson for EA they bought bioware because of the high quality games they made but ever since they bought Bioware their releases have been steadily decreasing in quality  and receiving a lot more criticism from a lot of consumers. Why is this? I don't know? Is it Bioware's fault or is it something EA is doing?
The shorter development times seem to indicate it's EA pushing out games to fast but I can't be sure.
They spenta lot of money buying Bioware and their reputation has been damaged in the space of a few years. Do they just write the company off or do they consider what went wrong and see if they can improve something on their part.

Your other point does not make sense I praised Bioware and convinced people to buy there games before why can I not warn people not to buy this game or point out glaring problems with it. It's a two way street if you deliver a satisfying game word of mouth will spread and push sales if your game has problems. You can't have the one without the other

[I am KROGAN]

Fingertrip wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Wow, people are .... so blind and really immature about this whole ordeal. I'm baffled by people's stupidity when it comes to this. It's beyond anyones wildest comprehension.

*Re-use pictures because I'm appearantly unable to say anything worthwhile*

CoolKid12. You've earned yourself a report. If you think it's justified to downgrade a product to this state, because you feel unsatisfied about the ending you recieved, which you probably for starters didn't comprehend, is just ridicilous. I suppose you go on about just everything in your life, giving it all 1/10 because you feel that the product was "poor", when there was just one nitpicky piece in reality.

Please, what's wrong with people when it comes to Mass Effect 3? 

Why are you so mad bro?

[Dreogan]

I am KROGAN wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Wow, people are .... so blind and really immature about this whole ordeal. I'm baffled by people's stupidity when it comes to this. It's beyond anyones wildest comprehension.

*Re-use pictures because I'm appearantly unable to say anything worthwhile*

CoolKid12. You've earned yourself a report. If you think it's justified to downgrade a product to this state, because you feel unsatisfied about the ending you recieved, which you probably for starters didn't comprehend, is just ridicilous. I suppose you go on about just everything in your life, giving it all 1/10 because you feel that the product was "poor", when there was just one nitpicky piece in reality.

Please, what's wrong with people when it comes to Mass Effect 3? 

Why are you so mad bro?

I liked the "ridicilous" part of the diatribe.

Redicilous™. Not even once.

[Austin N]

Alamar2078 wrote...

MrNighttime wrote...

What confuses me more is the people who say  "I hated the ending but I give the game 5 out of 5". It's like saying "That diner has great food that leavesan aweful aftertase in my mouth---I go there all the time." A 4 out of 5  I could get but how can you hate the ending and give prefect score? Hey, it's their review but I don't get it.

Devil's Advocate:  There are a lot of folks that are "all about the journey" and don't really care about the ending.  I imagine one of those folks could give a 5/5 although I would tend to agree with you that even then a 4/5 would seem more fitting.  Then again it's their review and if that is their honest opinion then so be it.

FYI:  I really hated the ending and think it tarnished BW's reputation [YMMV].

YMMV?

[Dreogan]

Austin N wrote...

Alamar2078 wrote...

MrNighttime wrote...

What confuses me more is the people who say  "I hated the ending but I give the game 5 out of 5". It's like saying "That diner has great food that leavesan aweful aftertase in my mouth---I go there all the time." A 4 out of 5  I could get but how can you hate the ending and give prefect score? Hey, it's their review but I don't get it.

Devil's Advocate:  There are a lot of folks that are "all about the journey" and don't really care about the ending.  I imagine one of those folks could give a 5/5 although I would tend to agree with you that even then a 4/5 would seem more fitting.  Then again it's their review and if that is their honest opinion then so be it.

FYI:  I really hated the ending and think it tarnished BW's reputation [YMMV].

YMMV?

Your Martian Mooned Virginia.

[xMellowhype]

Fingertrip wrote...

Wow, people are .... so blind and really immature about this whole ordeal. I'm baffled by people's stupidity when it comes to this. It's beyond anyones wildest comprehension.

the irony.

[Documental]

This is genuinely depressing to see, a fantastic game getting mauled because folk didn't like the last ten minutes. Seriously, stuff like this just makes me hate being called a gamer.

[Esquin]

Fingertrip wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Wow, people are .... so blind and really immature about this whole ordeal. I'm baffled by people's stupidity when it comes to this. It's beyond anyones wildest comprehension.

*Re-use pictures because I'm appearantly unable to say anything worthwhile*

CoolKid12. You've earned yourself a report. If you think it's justified to downgrade a product to this state, because you feel unsatisfied about the ending you recieved, which you probably for starters didn't comprehend, is just ridicilous. I suppose you go on about just everything in your life, giving it all 1/10 because you feel that the product was "poor", when there was just one nitpicky piece in reality.

Please, what's wrong with people when it comes to Mass Effect 3? 

Reported for offensive conduct. The retake mass effect movement udnerstands and comprehends the ending just fine. But it doesn't change the inconsistencies and plot holes. Kindly stop suggesting that we're somehow not as smart as you. I find such comments offensive and will be reporting anyone who makes such statements. 

[Alamar2078]

Austin N wrote...

Alamar2078 wrote...

FYI:  I really hated the ending and think it tarnished BW's reputation [YMMV].

YMMV?

YMMV stands for "You Mileage May Vary" ...   It's my shorthand for saying this is my opinion and approach to something.  You on the other hand are fully entitled to your opinion and that's cool

[Elyiia]

Documental wrote...

This is genuinely depressing to see, a fantastic game getting mauled because folk didn't like the last ten minutes. Seriously, stuff like this just makes me hate being called a gamer.

It is a fantastic game, until the last ten minutes shatters everything related to the series. The ending is so flawed in a literary sense, it's the perfect example of how not to write an ending. It breaks characters, it breaks theme. I could go on and on.

[vlherg]

Documental wrote...

This is genuinely depressing to see, a fantastic game getting mauled because folk didn't like the last ten minutes. Seriously, stuff like this just makes me hate being called a gamer.

So what rating should I have given the game? Given that the last 10 minutes was for me so bad that it completely destroyed any interest I have in replaying not only ME3 but also any of the previous games, should I really have given it a 5 star rating?

Is it not eqally valid for me to say...
This is genuinely depressing to see, a game with such an awful ending being called fantastic because some people don't care how a story ends. Stuff like this just makes me hate being called a gamer. 

[nevar00]

Meh, while that might be going to far, I can't say I feel too bad. We were flat out lied to or, at the very least "strongly mislead", in several interviews.

[Helmschmied]

Documental wrote...

This is genuinely depressing to see, a fantastic game getting mauled because folk didn't like the last ten minutes. Seriously, stuff like this just makes me hate being called a gamer.

It's not just about dislike, it's about the fact (and yes, it is an observable fact), that the ending is just broken from a storytelling-perspective. I wouldn't support the Retakers if this was a matter of like or dislike, but it isn't.

And I have to say that the protest takes on some very strange forms - I mean, yeah, I tend to get very hateful on such things too, but a lawsuit? That's just plain idiotic.

[element eater]

damn down like 10£ and im still yet to play due to the import bug buy do i feel stupid

[Hexley UK]

I gave it a 4 star review on Amazon with 1 star knocked off for the ending and a warning in the review that the ending was terrible.

Seemed fair to me, the game for the most part is great.

[Gwtheyrn]

Sometimes the purpose of a lawsuit isn't to even get it into court. They are sometimes used to draw attention to a cause, event, or situation. Other times it is meant to force the opposing party's hand. I agree that it's a bit overboard in this case, however.

[ZiegenkonigIII]

This won't make other game developers stop making games like ME. It would be ridiculous to think that it would. If anything this serves as an example to not rush development and promise things you can't live up to.

[DarkWyccan]

As funny as I find this, and as much as I disliked the ending. This is pretty ridiculous. Oh well... power to the people.