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[Azrael08151819]

This is kind of making me sad. On the one hand i hate the ending and im really shocked that someone i trusted (Bioware) would make me feel like a piece of ****. But on the other hand i really wanted Me 3 to be the end of the best story ever. I wanted an amazing and rewarding finish for my sheppard. This end i got showed me that the people wrinting the story didnt actually care for Mass Effect or me. Seeing this whole outcome is like watching a bad dream in all details and waiting for the wake up call. What did happen to bioware that they did this to Mass Effect, me and themself?
With Mass Effect 3 bioware didnt only end Mass effect but they ended bioware. Its like they lost faith.

[DESTRAUDO]

People seem to think bioware/EA have made BANK off the game already. Something worth mentioning here is the economics of games.

Creating a game like ME3 is a 40-50 million dollar undertaking. Advertising and marketing can be another 40-50 million on to that. So you are looking at ME3 being a 80-100 million dollar investment by EA. They have to make that to break even and companies do not make a product to break even on it. So lets say they have sold 4 million copies. At sixty dollars a pop that is a cool 240 million. Except half of that price is the retail markup, so in actuality it is more like 120 million.

EA did not spend 80-100 million to make 120 million. They did it to make a lot more. Have they made money. Yes. But they also spent a lot of it first.

[Sashimi_taco]

Maybe with other game companies making fun of them, the news covering the bad endings, the large fan outcry, and even other game writers calling them out on their BS, Bioware will actually make new endings.

[Talogrungi]

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

They're still selling the PC and PS3 one, so I imagine they've just a "not as advertised" complaint from an Xbox player and have suspended sales while they investigate it.

hmmm, I get the message for all 3 versions when I just checked it

/shrugs

I do find it kind of funny that you can setup 1 day shipping for the PC and PS3 version though

Nope, just the Xbox 360 when I checked just now, and it's also got a different "Dispatched and Sold by.."

This could just boil down to an unscrupulous supplier and have absolutely nothing to do with EA, Bioware or the ME3 ending at all.

[humes spork]

Rafe34 wrote...

Then what would you say customers that are unsatisfied with a product and want it to be changed SHOULD do? Simply sit back and hope the developers will change the endings out of the kindness of their heart just because they asked?

The consumer response and sales figures have already spoken for themselves. Muzyka's already issued a public statement in response to the negative feedback on behalf of BW and EA considering his dual position. Yes, at this point as consumers the burden of patience and moderation is on us. A corporate response takes time and is the result of a careful cost-benefit analysis, which in itself is a double-edged sword because if the corporation in question deems the most efficacious way to minimize losses is to cut and run they will without hesitation.

[darkhorsedan72]

The drop is price is a temporary one. A lot of recent games have just gone on sale in the hopes of selling more copies over the Easter period. You can bet after Easter holiday is over the game will go back up in price again.

[howieloader]

DESTRAUDO wrote...

People seem to think bioware/EA have made BANK off the game already. Something worth mentioning here is the economics of games.

Creating a game like ME3 is a 40-50 million dollar undertaking. Advertising and marketing can be another 40-50 million on to that. So you are looking at ME3 being a 80-100 million dollar investment by EA. They have to make that to break even and companies do not make a product to break even on it. So lets say they have sold 4 million copies. At sixty dollars a pop that is a cool 240 million. Except half of that price is the retail markup, so in actuality it is more like 120 million.

EA did not spend 80-100 million to make 120 million. They did it to make a lot more. Have they made money. Yes. But they also spent a lot of it first.

Link to sources?

[MrnDpty161]

The OP with the wood chipper comment -

"Keep in mind that while people are celebrating this kind of thing, it's also this kind of thing coupled with EA's very business strategies aforementioned celebrants call out that could, and at this point are likely, to cause this whole thing to colossally backfire in fans' faces. EA cuts its losses, cans or severely curbs future DLC and support, and prematurely closes doors and shuts the lights off on Mass Effect.

This is getting to the point "retakers" are jumping into the wood chipper nose-first to spite their face."

Why would we want future DLC in the first place if the product is broken? They aren't going to extend this last episode of ME any further, they'll maybe start on a new spate of games later on but essentially Mass Effect is now over. Dangling the idea of " Ok...you better just relax or else--- tsk tsk tsk --- no more exciting DLC for 10.00 a pop for youuuu" is simply patronizing if not disrespectful. What am I waiting for --- a map pack? A gun upgrade after reaching 5 million points? New avatar clothes?

Please.

They fired at the fans thinking MP would shut them up and their gamble was wrong. If their forced to shut down Mass Effect, so be it then, I'd much rather see dark space than made-up space with cheap trinkets with the idea that I will mindlessly buy-buy-buy.

They wouldn't even be in this position if they just had waited and finished the game as intended. Its even more baffling that the fix that is demanded isn't that difficult either, and if they did so, they would probably see their revenues come back as well. So if hard ball is the call of the day, then lets get that skin burning off the pigskin.

[Bazedragon]

Shame. I was hoping it would come down in price so i could order a copy (got friends who play xbox version, and preferred how demo played on it anyway). Though I'd have to get a second copy of ME2 then, aswell.

[Denethar]

I paid for game + DLC, I don't enjoy seeing this, but I have a hard time feeling bad as well considering the utter lack of care Bioware has shown for fans in the past 3 weeks. The thing about acting like an *** towards your customers is that you get treated the same way in response.

[humes spork]

vivaladricas wrote...

I see your point and believe me I do believe its valid.  I personally feel they brought it on themselves, all they had to do was finish.

I agree wholeheartedly, but I'm not going to revel in it and continue helping to devolve the situation. I personally like Mass Effect and want to see more of it. I love the hell out of it, it's actually replaced Star Wars as my favorite space opera/sci-fi IP of all time. I didn't think anything would ever top Star Wars, but there it is. I also like BW. I can't agree with many of the decisions they've made since becoming an EA subsidiary, but I still like their products.

I'll complain and make my voice heard, but I'm not going to burn the house down out of spite. The latter guarantees no good outcome of this.

[DESTRAUDO]

howieloader wrote...

DESTRAUDO wrote...

People seem to think bioware/EA have made BANK off the game already. Something worth mentioning here is the economics of games.

Creating a game like ME3 is a 40-50 million dollar undertaking. Advertising and marketing can be another 40-50 million on to that. So you are looking at ME3 being a 80-100 million dollar investment by EA. They have to make that to break even and companies do not make a product to break even on it. So lets say they have sold 4 million copies. At sixty dollars a pop that is a cool 240 million. Except half of that price is the retail markup, so in actuality it is more like 120 million.

EA did not spend 80-100 million to make 120 million. They did it to make a lot more. Have they made money. Yes. But they also spent a lot of it first.

Link to sources?

For videogame marketing budgets.
Marketing budget on halo 3 in 2006 was... 40 million USD. 

http://en.wikipedia....eting_of_Halo_3


For retail mark up.  
Costing breakdown from 2006  showing an average 50 percent retail mark up. 
http://www.joystiq.c...new-games-goes/

[mrderp27]

this one finds this humorous

[pacientK]

goatman42 wrote...

That's funny yet depressing.

[humes spork]

MrnDpty161 wrote...

Why would we want future DLC in the first place if the product is broken? They aren't going to extend this last episode of ME any further, they'll maybe start on a new spate of games later on but essentially Mass Effect is now over. Dangling the idea of " Ok...you better just relax or else--- tsk tsk tsk --- no more exciting DLC for 10.00 a pop for youuuu" is simply patronizing if not disrespectful. What am I waiting for --- a map pack? A gun upgrade after reaching 5 million points? New avatar clothes?

Please.

They fired at the fans thinking MP would shut them up and their gamble was wrong. If their forced to shut down Mass Effect, so be it then, I'd much rather see dark space than made-up space with cheap trinkets with the idea that I will mindlessly buy-buy-buy.

They wouldn't even be in this position if they just had waited and finished the game as intended. Its even more baffling that the fix that is demanded isn't that difficult either, and if they did so, they would probably see their revenues come back as well. So if hard ball is the call of the day, then lets get that skin burning off the pigskin.

In other words you just want to burn the house down out of spite. At least you're being honest about it, and I can respect that.

But with that said, "future DLC and support" is not exclusive of ending fix DLC (free or paid) or future bugfix and content patches. I urge to you consider that before building straw men.

[Ulfket]

MrnDpty161 wrote...
...
EA cuts its losses, cans or severely curbs future DLC and support, and prematurely closes doors and shuts the lights off on Mass Effect.
...

Ball has been in their field from the very beginning. Their inability to give a proper reply to fans is what's lead to this. As a customer, from the moment i saw the ending Mass Effect is closed and done for. If they release more DLC or they give ME up is the same to me as long as the ending remains.

This said... the ball is still in their field, and their inability to give a reply is still their biggest problem.

[jstme]

I think that it is a step too far.
At least for now. Bioware stated that in April they will give response. Directly hurting their sales (less money for Bioware) will mean that they will have less money for development,especially for developing unplanned real endings.
Frankly i will not approve of these tactics even if Bioware will respond with wall of text.
"Throwing the baby out with the bath water" approach.

[Zebra3]

Dorfgonewild81 wrote...

http://www.amazon.co...pd_rhf_gw_p_t_1 

Not an April Fools joke (atleast not on my part, who knows what Amazon is doing) but they currently aren't selling ME3 due to customer(s) complaints.

"Item Under Review

This product is not currently offered by Amazon.co.uk because a customer recently told us that the item he or she received was not as described.

We are working to resolve this as quickly as possible. In the meantime, you may still find this product available from other sellers on this page."

And for those bringing up or wondering about the email Amazon has been sending out, here is the quote:

"Hi,

Customers who have shown an interest in "Mass Effect 3" might like to know what critics have to say about the new title: "One of the most intricately crafted stories in the history of the medium." --GameInformer and "'Epic space battles, immense ground conflicts and hard hitting drama." --MSNBC."

It is then followed by the current prices for ME3 on various platforms.

Hmmm, makes me wonder what the impetus was. 

Was it really because so many people have been complaining about the endings? Or could it be something as simple as a faulty code for an online pass or a messed up disc, etc...?

Well, whatever it is I'm lovin' it

[Vromrig]

CoolKid12. You've earned yourself a report. If you think it's justified to downgrade a product to this state, because you feel unsatisfied about the ending you recieved, which you probably for starters didn't comprehend, is just ridicilous. I suppose you go on about just everything in your life, giving it all 1/10 because you feel that the product was "poor", when there was just one nitpicky piece in reality.

Was beginning to agree, partially pity you Then argued that we do not understand ending

Unacceptable argument You are not smart to begin with, so do not invoke it

[TemplePhoenix]

humes spork wrote...

I agree wholeheartedly, but I'm not going to revel in it and continue helping to devolve the situation. I personally like Mass Effect and want to see more of it. I love the hell out of it, it's actually replaced Star Wars as my favorite space opera/sci-fi IP of all time. I didn't think anything would ever top Star Wars, but there it is. I also like BW. I can't agree with many of the decisions they've made since becoming an EA subsidiary, but I still like their products.

I'll complain and make my voice heard, but I'm not going to burn the house down out of spite. The latter guarantees no good outcome of this.

This.
I didn't like the ending to THIS game, but I'd rather the entire ME franchise didn't die with it. And while I could care less what happens to the people directly responsible for the ending, whether it be chastisement, demotion or firing, I would just as soon all the OTHER staff who have worked hard on the series over the years, and have nothing to do with the aspects of the game people hate, not lose their jobs over this.

[liggy002]

This is clearly not the minority of people. I knew it.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Fingertrip wrote...

CoolKid12. You've earned yourself a report. If you think it's justified to downgrade a product to this state, because you feel unsatisfied about the ending you recieved, which you probably for starters didn't comprehend, is just ridicilous. I suppose you go on about just everything in your life, giving it all 1/10 because you feel that the product was "poor", when there was just one nitpicky piece in reality.

Please, what's wrong with people when it comes to Mass Effect 3? 

Granted, he shouldn't have just replied with a picture, but you're being significantly less mature than he is.  People are upset, for good reason.  It hasn't helped that so far Bioware's responses have been stuff like "artistic integrity" and "clarification"

[Alchemist4]

From the comments coming out of BioWare, they only care about the high review scores they received and the fans don't know what they're talking about. This shouldn't concern them in the least. The satisfaction of reviewers like IGN is what they were after all along.

Modifié par Alchemist4, 01 avril 2012 - 08:02 .