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[Dendio1]

Well thats all she wrote on whatever bioware was trying to do. People ignore how good the game is in favor of harping on the end. Its a wonder there isnt even more homogenization in the world. This tells me that Entertainment isnt about moving the medium forwards, its about giving people what they want. Hence every call of duty being the same game with a new coat of paint, yet being the best selling game of all time.

Either Bioware failed by assuming people would be patient and enjoy going back and dissecting any hints they left or the ending writing was terrible.

Either way Me3 has been reduced to the butt of everyones april fools day joke...and thats sad

Modifié par Dendio1, 01 avril 2012 - 10:30 .

[Vromrig]

How much do you PR guys make by patroling forums?

And this is why Vromrig no longer holds the line.

[Torrible]

Vromrig wrote...

Customer entitled to complain, boycott. Not entitled to sabotage. Review bombing =/= feedback.

Customers have been complaining, boycotting. Not sabotaging.

Frustrated because your favorite company is suffering consequences of actions.

Can only speak for yourself. Intentions of others are impossible for you to be certain.

[Sesshaku]

blah64 wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Wow, people are .... so blind and really immature about this whole ordeal. I'm baffled by people's stupidity when it comes to this. It's beyond anyones wildest comprehension.

*Looks at ME1 and ME2*
*Looks at ME3*
*Looks at Dev quotes, some just a week prior to release.*
*Looks at ME3*
*Looks at your comment*

Sir, there are alot of things to not comprehend here, but our reaction is not one of them.

[balance5050]

LOL! you can still buy the game guys.

http://www.amazon.co...33312409&sr=1-1

Modifié par balance5050, 01 avril 2012 - 10:30 .

[XqctaX]

t_i_e_ wrote...

Vromrig wrote...

t_i_e_ wrote...

SERVES YOU RIGHT BIOWARE FOR LYING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!

Anyone know if there is a class action lawsuit yet???

Don't be stupid.

How much do you PR guys make by patroling forums?

You should Think before you accuse, ive seen enough of Vroms post to know that accusation is ridiculous. 

[kramerfan86]

I cant believe amazon actually did that, Surely their gaming department knows the nature of the complaint. Perhaps its an april fools jest on their part because i cant imagine they are that ignorant.

[VAIOMANIAC]

However extreme this might seem the evidence of false advertising is enormous and from a consumer point of view this seems to be the only thing left to do.

And to all people complaining about FTC incident stop it, this is way bigger than that.

For Amazon to actually hold the sales of this product that means that they as a retailer are on the same page as the consumer which is good news for us.

And even those of you who liked the ending need to acknowledge that a lot of lies was being said pre launch of this game.

[DranakShadow]

t_i_e_ wrote...

Vromrig wrote...

t_i_e_ wrote...

SERVES YOU RIGHT BIOWARE FOR LYING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!

Anyone know if there is a class action lawsuit yet???

Don't be stupid.

How much do you PR guys make by patroling forums?

Grats on being a complete tool.

[InsaneAzrael]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

You do realize if BioWare fold these innocent people are out of a job, right?

That's my fault how?

[Sesshaku]

balance5050 wrote...

LOL! you can still buy the game guys.

http://www.amazon.co...33312409&sr=1-1

That's the PC, the OP linked the XBOX360 version.

Still, i don't know why people think that we are as~@#~€ for giving them bad reviews. I mean, they promised A, the gave us B. And even if in PAX they announce the DLC, i don't want to pay for an ending that should be on the game in the first place. That's no art, that's no "optional content", that's THE #~#|€ ENDING!!...

I mean, im sorry, but im perfectly sure that Bioware it's not going to go bankrupt because of this, we are hardly giving them a serious hit. But perhaps, it's enough for them to realize that this is not the path we want them to take. Perhaps they will listen to us.


PS: STOP SAYING WE ARE FIRING PEOPLE. They already sold a lot of millions copy , EA holds their back, and they probably have enough money on their accounts to finance the next game and half. We are hardly giving them serious loss.
Also, if we do bad our work, we got warned, and if we keep doing it wrong, we got fire. They are the same as everyone, if they do their jobs right, they're going to have sucess. If they want to be ass@3@~@# and sell us a game with no real ending, or an ending DLC at 10 usd that explains everything, well, im sorry but it's my job and my right to show them that as a costumer, do not agree with that policy, and that they're not going to have my money if they keep that path. Perhaps they don't care about the money of their loyal fans, who knows, who cares. We just make our point clear. It will depend on them to choose what are they going to do.

Modifié par Sesshaku, 01 avril 2012 - 10:39 .

[Lexagg]

This is seriously a bit too far. Is it possible that they put a hold because of the massive amount of refunds people were demanding?

Personally, I will not demand a refund for ME3 because I did play through it and actually enjoyed some moments. But I will simply remain very cautious about any BioWare product in the future, even if it is "ending DLC".

[Torrible]

Never mind

Modifié par Torrible, 01 avril 2012 - 10:35 .

[AxisEvolve]

balance5050 wrote...

LOL! you can still buy the game guys.

http://www.amazon.co...33312409&sr=1-1

Not true. Try and add the Xbox 360 version to your basket. 

"In stock. Sold by Online Game Shop "

You have found a link that doesn't display the warning, but you still can't buy it directly from them. 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 01 avril 2012 - 10:35 .

[kramerfan86]

There is a difference between false advertising and developers lying. The official advertising told no lies. Im guesstimating that either this is a joke or there was an actual issue with some of the Mass Effect 3s they were sending out as in they were damaged or something. I cant imagine a company would pull a product over complaints on how it ended.

[DranakShadow]

Sesshaku wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

LOL! you can still buy the game guys.

http://www.amazon.co...33312409&sr=1-1

That's the PC, the OP linked the XBOX360 version.

Still, i don't know why people think that we are as~@#~€ for giving them bad reviews. I mean, they promised A, the gave us B. And even if in PAX they announce the DLC, i don't want to pay for an ending that should be on the game in the first place. That's no art, that's no "optional content", that's THE #~#|€ ENDING!!...

I mean, im sorry, but im perfectly sure that Bioware it's not going to go bankrupt because of this, we are hardly giving them a serious hit. But perhaps, it's enough for them to realize that this is not the path we want them to take. Perhaps they will listen to us.

Yeah, you're right. The future of game reviewing should just take the last ten minutes and judge the entire thing on that. Infact, everything ranging from books to video games should do that. That's clearly all that matters.

[Sett101]

humes spork wrote...

vivaladricas wrote...

Also Amazon US has it down to 50 bucks new.  I just cant feel bad for bioware, I mean the engineers and people like that sure.  But for the most part they brought it on themsleves, it was DIRT easy to avoid any of this.  

Keep in mind that while people are celebrating this kind of thing, it's also this kind of thing coupled with EA's very business strategies aforementioned celebrants call out that could, and at this point are likely, to cause this whole thing to colossally backfire in fans' faces. EA cuts its losses, cans or severely curbs future DLC and support, and prematurely closes doors and shuts the lights off on Mass Effect.

This is getting to the point "retakers" are jumping into the wood chipper nose-first to spite their face.

The retakers are using the market as consumers should. Who cares what happens to bioware? They had fans because for a while they took care of their fans and gave us what we wanted. They have turned away from us but, there are other companies watching they will make bigger and better RPGs and grow stronger if Bioware fails.

And really it's Bioware doing it anyway! They could stop "listening" and start saying something to fans and here, not to the media on twitter or IGN but HERE where the fans live. Untill they go at least 1/2 way I don't feel like people have done enough (thats right folks I believe Bioware should do something to save themselves), and after this what good is bioware anyway? Why do we need them if ME3 is going to be their new standard. CDProject did better for less if they picked up 1/4 of Bioware sales what could they do? Long and short of it if Bioware won't swallow their pride, reach out and talk honestly to their CUSTOMERS (you know the people with the money they want) then why feel sorry for them?

[Hans-Erik]

t_i_e_ wrote...

Vromrig wrote...

t_i_e_ wrote...

SERVES YOU RIGHT BIOWARE FOR LYING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!

Anyone know if there is a class action lawsuit yet???

Don't be stupid.

How much do you PR guys make by patroling forums?

Please calm down and realize that you're being ridiculous.  Otherwise, please leave.

[Torrible]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

InsaneAzrael wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

You do realize if BioWare fold these innocent people are out of a job, right?

That's my fault how?

Not your fault personally, but ReTake seems pretty hellbent on putting BioWare out of business. I'm just pointing out that they have a terrible sense of perspective.

Not all retakers though. You'll never find these people in the "let's be civil" threads.

[DungeonHoek]

And this is why I hold to the belief that Bioware has no choice but to do something about this whole situation, and not just something as stupid as cutting their loss's and running.

Because with everything that has happened, and previously with Dragon Age. Recovering from it will be incredibly hard. Possibly even beyond the scope of actually recovering.

It would be easier to fix things now.

[Flextt]

As someone who studied economics: When a company fails to deliver to their customers (in whatever conceivable way), they will be pushed out of the market for the general welfare.

I am from Germany and consumer protection is fairly strong here, stronger than in most countries, though there is still a lot of room for abuse, but Bioware's promises were exaggerated, moreso than usually in the gaming industry. They went for a hype and got one. And after the ending, a lot of people were wondering, what else could have gone wrong. That's when the hype machine bit itself in the ass.

Modifié par Flextt, 01 avril 2012 - 10:39 .

[J.Random]

TemplePhoenix wrote...
 And while I could care less what happens to the people directly responsible for the ending, whether it be chastisement, demotion or firing, I would just as soon all the OTHER staff who have worked hard on the series over the years, and have nothing to do with the aspects of the game people hate, not lose their jobs over this.

Don't worry about them. The guy who wrote Mordin will get the new job the day he will quit EAware, I'm sure. The guy who wrote Garrus too. Programmers and designers who somehow pulled this really good grafics (not next-gen, of course, but good and without framerate drop or something) from UE3 will certainly have no problem with getting a new job. On the other hand, mr. Casey Hudson may end up unemployed. Or the guy who made running animations for squadmates. Or that one who will tell on job interview "Oh, I made those low-poly non-textured figures near the Purgatory - you know, where a turian is leaning on nothing". And I could care less about those guys.

Modifié par J.Random, 01 avril 2012 - 10:51 .

[Clayless]

Dendio1 wrote...

Well thats all she wrote on whatever bioware was trying to do. People ignore how good the game is in favor of harping on the end. Its a wonder there isnt even more homogenization in the world. This tells me that Entertainment isnt about moving the medium forwards, its about giving people what they want. Hence every call of duty being the same game with a new coat of paint, yet being the best selling game of all time.

Either Bioware failed by assuming people would be patient and enjoy going back and dissecting any hints they left or the ending writing was terrible.

Either way Me3 has been reduced to the butt of everyones april fools day joke...and thats sad

Yep.

Publishers are never going to fund a ME style game again. It seems even the ME fans go out of their way to destroy companies, so CoD style games is what we're going to be stuck with forever.