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[AxisEvolve]

DranakShadow wrote...
Yeah, you're right. The future of game reviewing should just take the last ten minutes and judge the entire thing on that. Infact, everything ranging from books to video games should do that. That's clearly all that matters.

It does matter.

I don't get people that think the ending isn't important. It's very important. 

It's especially important that it doesn't destroy everything good about the story and branch off into ludicrous inconsistencies that feel completely detached from the plot. 

And comparing an RPG to any other form of media doesn't work, sorry. They are uniquely different. 

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 01 avril 2012 - 10:40 .

[Blackmind1]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Amazon.com sent me an email last night letting me know how greatly received Mass Effect was.... I've never seen them do that for a product. The whole email was just pictures of ME3 with quotes from the likes of IGN and Gamespot at the top.

I laughed and deleted it

Yet you're still here. Don't you look sad right now.

[kramerfan86]

DranakShadow wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

LOL! you can still buy the game guys.

http://www.amazon.co...33312409&sr=1-1

That's the PC, the OP linked the XBOX360 version.

Still, i don't know why people think that we are as~@#~€ for giving them bad reviews. I mean, they promised A, the gave us B. And even if in PAX they announce the DLC, i don't want to pay for an ending that should be on the game in the first place. That's no art, that's no "optional content", that's THE #~#|€ ENDING!!...

I mean, im sorry, but im perfectly sure that Bioware it's not going to go bankrupt because of this, we are hardly giving them a serious hit. But perhaps, it's enough for them to realize that this is not the path we want them to take. Perhaps they will listen to us.

Yeah, you're right. The future of game reviewing should just take the last ten minutes and judge the entire thing on that. Infact, everything ranging from books to video games should do that. That's clearly all that matters.

I wouldnt give it a 1 star review like many are but I think its silly to suggest when reviewing the ending shouldnt play a role in the review seeing, especially when the game is SO dependent on story like the Mass Effect series is.  If I were going to review Id probably give it 2.5-3 stars over 4.5-5 stars like I would have with a better ending.

[Dridengx]

People will believe what they want, they will feel they accomplished something and yet have not. The game already sold over millions as is, and there is still many ways to get this game if you want it. Anyone laughing, or happy about this needs help. I personally don't believe it, as today is troll day, so no one can be trusted including websites.

I do find it amusing that everyone who hated the endings is laughing and cheering over this trying to bury a company they claim are fans of, want games from, want a new free ending from. yeah, you can't make things for free

Modifié par Dridengx, 01 avril 2012 - 10:41 .

[AxisEvolve]

Blackmind1 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Amazon.com sent me an email last night letting me know how greatly received Mass Effect was.... I've never seen them do that for a product. The whole email was just pictures of ME3 with quotes from the likes of IGN and Gamespot at the top.

I laughed and deleted it

Yet you're still here. Don't you look sad right now.

Was that necessary?  Pretty rude if you ask me. 

[Jagri]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

InsaneAzrael wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

You do realize if BioWare fold these innocent people are out of a job, right?

That's my fault how?

Not your fault personally, but ReTake seems pretty hellbent on putting BioWare out of business. I'm just pointing out that they have a terrible sense of perspective.

It would be a shame if the "Vocal Minority" put a company out of business. If anything EA is more then likely to do that themselves.

>>> Click here for humorous EA reference to BioWare's future. <<<

[t_i_e_]

XqctaX wrote...

t_i_e_ wrote...

Vromrig wrote...

t_i_e_ wrote...

SERVES YOU RIGHT BIOWARE FOR LYING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!

Anyone know if there is a class action lawsuit yet???

Don't be stupid.

How much do you PR guys make by patroling forums?

You should Think before you accuse, ive seen enough of Vroms post to know that accusation is ridiculous. ��������������������������������

I apologize if I've miss identified him. But I truly believe there is a PR team at work on these forums.

[Blackmind1]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Blackmind1 wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Amazon.com sent me an email last night letting me know how greatly received Mass Effect was.... I've never seen them do that for a product. The whole email was just pictures of ME3 with quotes from the likes of IGN and Gamespot at the top.

I laughed and deleted it

Yet you're still here. Don't you look sad right now.

Was that necessary?  Pretty rude if you ask me. 

Downgrading a damn good product to this state, and laughing at Bioware while in their own forums, because of the last 5 minutes isn't necessary, either. In fact, it's damn disrespectful, and only a spoiled child would act the way this community does. Go figure.

It's pretty rude if you ask me.

Modifié par Blackmind1, 01 avril 2012 - 10:43 .

[Dridengx]

Jagri wrote...

It would be a shame if the "Vocal Minority" put a company out of business. If anything EA is more then likely to do that themselves.

It's a shame these big kids don't understand. Now, you can say bye bye to choices, multiple endings, and other things in the future if this is how you people act. You think anyone will want to go through all this drama over giving a consumer more freedom? not worth it.

Whether you hurt Bioware or not with your 'movement' you actually hurt yourselves the most in the end.

Modifié par Dridengx, 01 avril 2012 - 10:45 .

[Blackmind1]

t_i_e_ wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

t_i_e_ wrote...

Vromrig wrote...

t_i_e_ wrote...

SERVES YOU RIGHT BIOWARE FOR LYING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!

Anyone know if there is a class action lawsuit yet???

Don't be stupid.

How much do you PR guys make by patroling forums?

You should Think before you accuse, ive seen enough of Vroms post to know that accusation is ridiculous. ��������������������������������

I apologize if I've miss identified him. But I truly believe there is a PR team at work on these forums.

"Someone is a sensible human being and doesn't agree with my overly childish view of such a simple problem? Must be EA."

[Flextt]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Well thats all she wrote on whatever bioware was trying to do. People ignore how good the game is in favor of harping on the end. Its a wonder there isnt even more homogenization in the world. This tells me that Entertainment isnt about moving the medium forwards, its about giving people what they want. Hence every call of duty being the same game with a new coat of paint, yet being the best selling game of all time.

Either Bioware failed by assuming people would be patient and enjoy going back and dissecting any hints they left or the ending writing was terrible.

Either way Me3 has been reduced to the butt of everyones april fools day joke...and thats sad

Yep.

Publishers are never going to fund a ME style game again. It seems even the ME fans go out of their way to destroy companies, so CoD style games is what we're going to be stuck with forever.

This is the most stupid thing I have ever read. What else do you want to do as a customer? 
- You are not lawfully entitled to the quality of a video game.
- ME 3's reviews are amazing. (Which I find strange)
- ME 3's sales do okay to great.
- DLCs and milking of the franchise will probably continue to be successful, which also ultimately devalues a single customer's stated opinion.

The point with Retake is, that it has reached a mass critical enough to be hurtful. To be hurtful through the only 2 options you have: Get a refund and / or become vocal. It is not the community's fault with what will happen to ME or Bioware nor will it ever be and no one in their right minds should lose a night's sleep over that. Bioware intended for their product to be released as it is. A vocal part of their loyal customer base is disgruntled. Their initial responses come through largely unfiltered from PR. The thing goes downhill. We will now have to wait for PAX, but Bioware / EA still have AMAZING potential to turn this around. The negative mouth-to-mouth propaganda and its ramifications from Retake can easily turn for the better.

[Vromrig]

I apologize if I've miss identified him. But I truly believe there is a PR team at work on these forums.

And I truly emphasize that people like you are why I've abandoned the line.

[Sesshaku]

DranakShadow wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

LOL! you can still buy the game guys.

http://www.amazon.co...33312409&sr=1-1

That's the PC, the OP linked the XBOX360 version.

Still, i don't know why people think that we are as~@#~€ for giving them bad reviews. I mean, they promised A, the gave us B. And even if in PAX they announce the DLC, i don't want to pay for an ending that should be on the game in the first place. That's no art, that's no "optional content", that's THE #~#|€ ENDING!!...

I mean, im sorry, but im perfectly sure that Bioware it's not going to go bankrupt because of this, we are hardly giving them a serious hit. But perhaps, it's enough for them to realize that this is not the path we want them to take. Perhaps they will listen to us.

Yeah, you're right. The future of game reviewing should just take the last ten minutes and judge the entire thing on that. Infact, everything ranging from books to video games should do that. That's clearly all that matters.

You're being pretty childish. The ending is a very important part of a story. An ending like the one ME3 has its:
a) Really bad written.
Incomplete.

That means:
a) They should fix it for the same reasons they fixed the books and even ASKED for forgiveness to their buyers.
They made us buy a game promising full closure and give us 90% of it, requiring 10% of DLC for understanding what happened. That's Bs. They didn't even told us "ending will come by DLC".


Also the game had other flaws, the ending it's not the only thing i could complain, but its the most important one, because it failed to deliver a closure to the story.
And no, not all reviews should be of the last 10 minutes, but you have to realize that 90% of a good game can be ruined (as it was ruined) by the last 10%.

[Narayan23]

Dridengx wrote...

Jagri wrote...

It would be a shame if the "Vocal Minority" put a company out of business. If anything EA is more then likely to do that themselves.

It's a shame these big kids don't understand. Now, you can say bye bye to choices, multiple endings, and other things in the future if this is how you people act. You think anyone will want to go through all this drama over giving a consumer more freedom? not worth it.

Whether you hurt Bioware or not with your 'movement' you actually hurt yourselves the most in the end.

What multiple endings are you talking about? The endins we have are only different because of the colour filter if you really consider that a strain on resources, if this is a good as it gets how is that different then just accepting one ending?

[Mandemon]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Perspective: Wanting to strip people of their livelihoods because their game featured ten minutes of bad writing, which came after 100+ hours of good writing.

They made product. Product failed at certain area. This failure was so critical, it created a backlash. Consumers voice their dissatisfaction.

This is not people going after Bioware, this is consumers doing what is their job. You don't support bad business praticeses (day 1 DLC, false advertising, etc). Consumers can vote only trough two ways: Their wallet or trough feed back.

In this case, most of us are unable to vote by our wallets since we bought the game, experienced it and were betrayed. This, we vote trough feed back which has caused Amazon, a third party in this mess, to review the product because they feel consumer feed back is important. This feed back indicated massive negative reaction. If product is perceived negativly, it is pulled off the shelf, because there is no reason to keep it.

If you feel that we are actively going after jobs of the people at Bioware, realise that each time you make decision between two products, you are choosing which product/company you support. One loses a sale, which can mean job is lost.

[DranakShadow]

AxisEvolve wrote...

DranakShadow wrote...
Yeah, you're right. The future of game reviewing should just take the last ten minutes and judge the entire thing on that. Infact, everything ranging from books to video games should do that. That's clearly all that matters.

It does matter.

I don't get people that think the ending isn't important. It's very important. 

It's especially important that it doesn't destroy everything good about the story and branch off into ludicrous inconsistencies that feel completely detached from the plot. 

And comparing an RPG to any other form of media doesn't work, sorry. They are uniquely different. 

Yes, yes it does work. Unless, you know, you're saying it's not about the story.

The review bombing of 1 star reviews over 10 minutes of the game accomplishes nothing but turns game design further away from actually trying to innovate further, and will lead to more, and more generic games because the companies don't want to risk losing the cash.

It's one thing to communicate to Bioware what's wrong, it's another to go into a frothing rage about it and try to gut Bioware in the process. Which is what this 'fanbase' has been trying to do since release.

[InsaneAzrael]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

InsaneAzrael wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

You do realize if BioWare fold these innocent people are out of a job, right?

That's my fault how?

Not your fault personally, but ReTake seems pretty hellbent on putting BioWare out of business. I'm just pointing out that they have a terrible sense of perspective.

There was a lot of "you" used in your responses though. I'm not your enemy, but just like the frustration you appeared to have experienced right there, I can sympathise with it. Time helps to settle people, so as far as it goes, the tempers that have flared up now will in time settle. So although I objected to Bioware's keep calm and carry on approach in a blind fury before, I can see their rationale.

They can rebuild. It was just a poor move this time round. Consumers who are not granted a product as described are within their rights to take action as they deem fit. Nothing says they'll be gracious about it. Yet, they have the right to react.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

DESTRAUDO wrote...

I have never seen fans of anything take such glee in hammering it into the dirt.

For real, I hated the ME3 endings and in many ways the direction the Mass Effect series went but how do you guys even call youselves "fans"?

Some people lash out when they experience pain, even if, as is the case with ME3, it's emotional pain.

It's just the way people are. Doesn't mean they're not fans, infact the opposite, if anything. I mean it's a pretty fanatical reaction wouldn't you say? There'd be no reaction at all if they didn't care in the first place.

I don't share the reaction, but I'm not surprised by it. Just people being people.

Many of the responses don't align very closely to the definition of a fan, being: "An ardent devotee; an enthusiast."

In fact I'd say they do the opposite. I'm not against petitions to alter or amend the ending, but taking pleasure in Mass Effect 3 being removed from sale or review bombing a game because you disliked the final act seems rather counter-productive, not to mention immature.

[Mandemon]

Also holy ****, are those prices real?

£21.85 PC, £23.95 for PS3 and £34.02 for XBox. I mean, back here, you still need to pay 60€ for MW3... and how long has that game been out? Price drop of this level is something serious.

[Flextt]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Mandemon wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Perspective: Wanting to strip people of their livelihoods because their game featured ten minutes of bad writing, which came after 100+ hours of good writing.

They made product. Product failed at certain area. This failure was so critical, it created a backlash. Consumers voice their dissatisfaction.

This is not people going after Bioware, this is consumers doing what is their job. You don't support bad business praticeses (day 1 DLC, false advertising, etc). Consumers can vote only trough two ways: Their wallet or trough feed back.

In this case, most of us are unable to vote by our wallets since we bought the game, experienced it and were betrayed. This, we vote trough feed back which has caused Amazon, a third party in this mess, to review the product because they feel consumer feed back is important. This feed back indicated massive negative reaction. If product is perceived negativly, it is pulled off the shelf, because there is no reason to keep it.

If you feel that we are actively going after jobs of the people at Bioware, realise that each time you make decision between two products, you are choosing which product/company you support. One loses a sale, which can mean job is lost.

The lawsuit attempts say otherwise.

Your point being? Malicious intent from some customers?

Modifié par Flextt, 01 avril 2012 - 10:56 .

[Jamie9]

Vromrig wrote...
And I truly emphasize that people like you are why I've abandoned the line.

Remember, the line is not the people within them. But the ideal. That we want a better ending. That we want BioWare to do themselves proud. If you want a better ending, you are holding the line, no matter if you post the 'monika' or not.

Do not let the worst influence your opinions. Unfortunately 1 negative person leaves the influence of 10 positive people. Don't hold the line for us, hold it for BioWare. And not officially.

But in spirit.

Thanks.

[Mandemon]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Mandemon wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Perspective: Wanting to strip people of their livelihoods because their game featured ten minutes of bad writing, which came after 100+ hours of good writing.

They made product. Product failed at certain area. This failure was so critical, it created a backlash. Consumers voice their dissatisfaction.

This is not people going after Bioware, this is consumers doing what is their job. You don't support bad business praticeses (day 1 DLC, false advertising, etc). Consumers can vote only trough two ways: Their wallet or trough feed back.

In this case, most of us are unable to vote by our wallets since we bought the game, experienced it and were betrayed. This, we vote trough feed back which has caused Amazon, a third party in this mess, to review the product because they feel consumer feed back is important. This feed back indicated massive negative reaction. If product is perceived negativly, it is pulled off the shelf, because there is no reason to keep it.

If you feel that we are actively going after jobs of the people at Bioware, realise that each time you make decision between two products, you are choosing which product/company you support. One loses a sale, which can mean job is lost.

The lawsuit attempts say otherwise.

What lawsuit? If you mean FTC complaiment, that wasn't lawsuit AND was discouraged by Retake movement.