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[Razyel_Kain]

Zaydin wrote...

How about no? If you don't want low levels in gold matches, remove them with a vote kick. And is doable with a low level; just a lot harder than it would be with a higher level character.

Yeah....i would contradict on that...you need at least 2 players to vote. scrappy mscrap that has no equipment and a low lvl weapon will not care about the lowbie. what does he have to lose? Time..and that is all

Think of this, you just equipped a let's say lvl 3 sniper amp, lvl 3 AP ammo, and lvl 3 power recharge. You start the game and mid round the host who happens to be a greenhorn quits. Instant game over. Or another lowbie dies and quits or something like that. Chances are that you won't finish the round and lose all that equipment because of a noob? How does that make you feel?

the end the post, Would any of you give a $350k ferrari to someone that hasn't driven  a mile before and tell him to take it for a spin on the Autobahn? Just a metaphore.

[molecularman]

NO.

[Xtreme-Tiramisu]

N7 120 is the good starting point for qualified players in Gold. (It's level 20 for all 6 classes before promotions) Not just one or two classes and promote them and repeat. N7 120 club means you understand the basics and gameplay of each class so you can coordinate effective teamwork in Gold.

Suggestion for current MP Improvements:

1. Add "Filter" function when creating new game. - Enable N7 rank & Character level restriction (We don't want to join/exit 10+ different lobby in public just to find the right team orientation for the selected difficulty. This also eliminate the necessity to go through numerous vote kicks to form the right party.)

2. Host/Leader of the lobby has the right to vote kick the ONLY player in the lobby. (Preventing re-creating a new game if the that player is AFK or doesn't meet the requirement by the host/leader.) I've already lost count how many new Gold challenge games I've created and waited for one player to join and he happends to be a level 1 character and I cannot vote kick that player and forced to recreate a new game - causing unecessary traffic for EA server.

[barric00]

In my opinion, N7 rank just shows how much time you spent on multiplayer, not your ability.
Character level is important for talents, N7 rank... meh.. it happens to see low ranks perform way better than higher rank players

[omgBAMF]

N7 rankings are just like BF3 rankings. They are no indication of skill... only an indication of time played.

Modifié par omgBAMF, 01 avril 2012 - 06:48 .

[Razyel_Kain]

barric00 wrote...

In my opinion, N7 rank just shows how much time you spent on multiplayer, not your ability.
Character level is important for talents, N7 rank... meh.. it happens to see low ranks perform way better than higher rank players

tell that to the lvl 5 that just started playing and is hosting a game on gold....you are right...he's so good that he can win the map by himself with no aid....

[Mychosis]

I think judging based on n7 rank is absolutely ridiculous. There should be a level limit however it should be character level not overall rank.

[vladgd]

i get burned by low N7 too much.

"ohh N7 37, ill give him a chance"

then he goes off pretending he is rambo and gets killed 5 times a wave, often ending up leaving after a few waves.

N7 does not judge skill, however, low N7 typically means new player, and new players play like idiots. i have been burned too much by giving these people a chance, i am done.

OCCASIONALLY i get surprised and the low N7 player is pretty good, but that is what we call a rare exception.

Modifié par vladgd, 01 avril 2012 - 06:50 .

[molecularman]

You simply can't understand that not everybody promotes? Skip a couple of classes and you'll be under 100 forever, and still be way more skilled or have more hours played than those with n7 400.

[Vipala]

N7 rating just shows much much of a n7 rating hoar you are

[illsteward]

Yeah, seriously, what??? You have that /kick ability for this. My N7 rank is 128, I have several SP and MP achivements and whatnot. I have never felt the desire to play Gold Challenge. I like Silver, had a few Silver extractions, but it's just the amount of challenge I enjoy. With the right party, that is.
On the other hand, if I see someone who plays lvl5 Adept and has 500+ N7 rank - sorry, pal, I am not really sure this char can do in Silver. If the same 500+ N7 guy kicks from Adept to lvl5 Inflitrator - sure, welcome in. Why? Infiltrator is mostly equipment-based. Adepts are power-based class. Guess who is more prone to be useless by low level?
I think "fair game" will be to allow only those with completed Soldier or Veteran achievement play the Gold challenge. Since progress is tracked anyhow, having 5000+ kills regardless of platform or character says more about the player than gaining a few levels in MP. Actually, I think that if I'd start new player profile tomorrow, I'd have N7 rating 100 by end of the week. Not that hard, if you will be after it, which would everyone be after said "limit" will be imposed.

[barric00]

Razyel_Kain wrote...

barric00 wrote...

In my opinion, N7 rank just shows how much time you spent on multiplayer, not your ability.
Character level is important for talents, N7 rank... meh.. it happens to see low ranks perform way better than higher rank players

tell that to the lvl 5 that just started playing and is hosting a game on gold....you are right...he's so good that he can win the map by himself with no aid....

As I said, character level IS important.. and a rank 5 cant have a high level character.  what I' m trying to say, is that n7 rank measures "time spent on multiplayer", wich can be intendend as "experience" (even if such experience can come from singleplayer too), but experience and ability are not necessarily the same thing.. 

[Sleepicub09]

 n7 rating means jack diddily squat someone can have a very high n7 rationg and still sucks....it would've been smarter if you said character levels. For example, you don't go into gold with a level 2 character, but someone who has a n7 rating at 60 mind you and character is at lvl 18 and that person goes in tactically then you can win a gold match.

[Father Alvito]

Low N7 is an indicator, but it's nowhere near a good enough measure to start banning people from lobbies because of it.

If you hate someone's setup for Gold, kick them. If you can't get the rest of the team to agree that the setup is terrible, leave the lobby. Good players know what works and what doesn't. If the team wants to take someone that's overwhelmingly likely to be a liability, they're almost certainly also bad and you don't want to play with them.

It really is that simple.

Sleepicub09 wrote...

 n7 rating means jack diddily squat someone can have a very high n7 rationg and still sucks....it would've been smarter if you said character levels.

There are plenty of teams that can beat Gold with less than four or dragging a low-level anchor.  If you really believe that this change would improve things (and I don't), the change should only be made to public games.

Modifié par Father Alvito, 01 avril 2012 - 07:01 .

[Sleepicub09]

Father Alvito wrote...

Low N7 is an indicator, but it's nowhere near a good enough measure to start banning people from lobbies because of it.

If you hate someone's setup for Gold, kick them. If you can't get the rest of the team to agree that the setup is terrible, leave the lobby. Good players know what works and what doesn't. If the team wants to take someone that's overwhelmingly likely to be a liability, they're almost certainly also bad and you don't want to play with them.

It really is that simple.

Sleepicub09 wrote...

 n7 rating means jack diddily squat someone can have a very high n7 rationg and still sucks....it would've been smarter if you said character levels.

There are plenty of teams that can beat Gold with less than four or dragging a low-level anchor.  If you really believe that this change would improve things (and I don't), the change should only be made to public games.

yes this true but  it really depend on how you play and how you load out.

[Xtreme-Tiramisu]

^ N7 ranking can translate into experience and experience can enhance and improve a player's skill in game such as survivability and instincts.

I'm a competitive rank N7 700+ player. Every time I hit another hundred milestone, I think back and acknowledge of the mistakes I've made and things I can further improve to near perfection. It all come down to experience. Practice makes perfect, indeed. Experience comes wisdom and that will take your skill and competitiveness to the next level.

It's a learning process for everyone, no one is born perfect. N7 ranking is a perfect indication of the player's knowledge in game, teamwork capability and situational awareness.

In other case, it would be hard to tell one's experience and capability if his N7 rank happends to be exactly 120. If we forward our time 6 month in the future, a N7 120 player could mean that he may be experienced in game and just as capable as other 120+ players, but he's unmotivated or not interested to promote any of his characters.

As of now, a N7 120 player is most likely just starting out MP aspect of the game not long ago and still learning and improving his teamwork ability as well as his level of skill and competitiveness in game.

One can argue however he likes but statistics don't lie. 80-90% of the time, low N7 ranking players will often die more often, score less point and show poor teamwork, coordination, judgement, and situational awareness. On the contrary, a very high N7 ranking player but with a low level character, his experience and level of competitiveness will enchance and improve his low level character to be more effective in team gameplay, score more points than average same low level character, die less often, show better judgement and teamwork capability.

Modifié par Xtreme-Tiramisu, 01 avril 2012 - 07:13 .

[Speedoburito]

NO.

[clipped_wolf]

NV rank isn't skill. However, having a level requirement isn't a bad idea. Just pointing out though, don't click READY if you can tell that one of your team members is going to drag you down.

[fafnir magnus]

just joined a lobby with an N7 1, N7 2, and N7 28, and the 28 was not a lvl 20 character. Left instantly, hope they get a nice lesson in why you should stick to bronze and silver as new people.

[T0X]

There is a kick button for a reason. If you have no friends, that is your fault.

Or you could visit the thread in my signature and find other competent players.

[Rucent]

Do not start a game with a level 5. Not sure what else to say.

[jesterzgypse]

Just don't play gold with a N5 with a Lvl 5 character on Gold, it's that simple.

Personnally, if the character is under lvl 15 on Gold, no matter what the rank, I ask politely to leave. If the person doesn't leave, I do. It is really that simple.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

As of now, a N7 120 player is most likely just starting out MP aspect of the game not long ago and still learning and improving his teamwork ability as well as his level of skill and competitiveness in game.

lol?

You couldn't be more wrong.

[ApuLunas]

i am pretty sure there are very skilled players out there, but how do you expect others to know it random games? i mean, there must be a way, musn't it? also you know, promoting won't kill you.

Modifié par ApuLunas, 01 avril 2012 - 07:18 .

[Totally_Mad_Rat]

N7 rank =/= skill. Moreover, N7 rank =/= time played.

Not everyone plays all classes. Not everyone promotes. I started doing successful gold runs at N7 40 with adept and infiltrator at 20.

Modifié par Totally_Mad_Rat, 01 avril 2012 - 07:19 .