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[t6skyart]

ApuLunas wrote...

100 for silver, gold needs at least 200

There are people who simply never promote, stick to one class, and are crazy good at that single class, which means that they won't ever get 200 n7 rank.

[Xtreme-Tiramisu]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

As of now, a N7 120 player is most likely just starting out MP aspect of the game not long ago and still learning and improving his teamwork ability as well as his level of skill and competitiveness in game.

lol?

You couldn't be more wrong.

You're quoting partial context from my reply and I'm wrong?

It only takes a few days for a player to reach N7 120 for either way I've mentioned above and he can stand proud in public and say "I've mastered the game"?

Just because I've earned a Bachelor degree from a Universty, does that mean I've all the knowledge and experience I'll need for the rest of my life?

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

ApuLunas wrote...

i am pretty sure there are very skilled players out there, but how do you expect others to know it random games? i mean, there must be a way, musn't it? also you know, promoting won't kill you.

Don't play random games then. If it's so important for you to play with good players why not go and find some here on the forums or befriend the ones you do find? And most importantly, don't start games with level 5's in there, like the OP did. Of course that's going to end in failure.

And why should people promote? It does absolutely nothing other than increase a useless number, excluding the event this weekend.

[LeTtRrZ]

I could kinda go for this.  I mean, it only takes about 6 or 7 hours of game time to get to 100 if that, and by then, you will have enough experience to play effectively.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

As of now, a N7 120 player is most likely just starting out MP aspect of the game not long ago and still learning and improving his teamwork ability as well as his level of skill and competitiveness in game.

lol?

You couldn't be more wrong.

You're quoting partial context from my reply and I'm wrong?

It only takes a few days for a player to reach N7 120 for either way I've mentioned above and he can stand proud in public and say "I've mastered the game"?

Just because I've earned a Bachelor degree from a Universty, does that mean I've all the knowledge and experience I'll need for the rest of my life?

Yes, you are extremely wrong. How do you wrap your head around the idea that an N7 120 player has only "just started playing?" Mastering the game isn't required to beat gold so your arguement is invalid.

Prior to the promote event this weekend, I was around N7 133 or something and I'm more than competent. But with your logic I've only just started playing? Again, N7 means absolutely nothing and should not be used to base any kind of skill, experience, or what have you.

[Xtreme-Tiramisu]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

ApuLunas wrote...

i am pretty sure there are very skilled players out there, but how do you expect others to know it random games? i mean, there must be a way, musn't it? also you know, promoting won't kill you.

Don't play random games then. If it's so important for you to play with good players why not go and find some here on the forums or befriend the ones you do find? And most importantly, don't start games with level 5's in there, like the OP did. Of course that's going to end in failure.

And why should people promote? It does absolutely nothing other than increase a useless number, excluding the event this weekend.

Besides the reason of increasing EMS for SP, the level of N7 ranking is an indication(not a guarantee) of a player's experience and skill in PUBLIC games. In public games, no one knows each other unless you happend to run into your friend. You could be N7 20 with your 3 other friends in PRIVATE games and doing successful gold runs for 6 month and no one else will care but only four of yourselves.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

LeTtRrZ wrote...

I could kinda go for this.  I mean, it only takes about 6 or 7 hours of game time to get to 100 if that, and by then, you will have enough experience to play effectively.

And what if you played the same class since day one and never promoted?

[X-Frame]

N7 level, character level, and even weapons selection doesn't mean that player will be good enough for Gold -- but it is a start.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

ApuLunas wrote...

i am pretty sure there are very skilled players out there, but how do you expect others to know it random games? i mean, there must be a way, musn't it? also you know, promoting won't kill you.

Don't play random games then. If it's so important for you to play with good players why not go and find some here on the forums or befriend the ones you do find? And most importantly, don't start games with level 5's in there, like the OP did. Of course that's going to end in failure.

And why should people promote? It does absolutely nothing other than increase a useless number, excluding the event this weekend.

Besides the reason of increasing EMS for SP, the level of N7 ranking is an indication(not a guarantee) of a player's experience and skill in PUBLIC games. In public games, no one knows each other unless you happend to run into your friend. You could be N7 20 with your 3 other friends in PRIVATE games and doing successful gold runs for 6 month and no one else will care but only four of yourselves.

No, N7 is not in the slightest an indication of a player's experience. Not even close. There are plenty of people who only play a couple of the classes, max them out, and have simply never promoted, which could easily leave them with an N7 rank of 50. But with your logic, again, they makes them inexperienced rofl?

[Totally_Mad_Rat]

X-Frame wrote...

N7 level, character level, and even weapons selection doesn't mean that player will be good enough for Gold -- but it is a start.

Character level and weapons selection at least can give you some information. On the other hand, N7 level doesn't represent anything.

[Xtreme-Tiramisu]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

As of now, a N7 120 player is most likely just starting out MP aspect of the game not long ago and still learning and improving his teamwork ability as well as his level of skill and competitiveness in game.

lol?

You couldn't be more wrong.

You're quoting partial context from my reply and I'm wrong?

It only takes a few days for a player to reach N7 120 for either way I've mentioned above and he can stand proud in public and say "I've mastered the game"?

Just because I've earned a Bachelor degree from a Universty, does that mean I've all the knowledge and experience I'll need for the rest of my life?

Yes, you are extremely wrong. How do you wrap your head around the idea that an N7 120 player has only "just started playing?" Mastering the game isn't required to beat gold so your arguement is invalid.

Prior to the promote event this weekend, I was around N7 133 or something and I'm more than competent. But with your logic I've only just started playing? Again, N7 means absolutely nothing and should not be used to base any kind of skill, experience, or what have you.

Ok so you're arguing that you're NOT going to further improve your skills, competitiveness, teamwork, coordination, situational awareness, and judgement from now until the rest of your life ever playing ME3 MP? Just because you have completed Gold for how many times you can remember, you think you've mastered the game? Even as a N7 700+ competitive player, I'm sure humble enough to admit I've not. This argument ends here. Period.

[TSCIGAR]

IndoctrinatedSpectre wrote...

Catspirit123 wrote...

right because rank =/= skill

People would be frustrated if they couldn't play the mode they want. If you don't want low levels in your game then just kick them. It's what the feature is there for

Rank is experience. Who would you rather have watching your back in a gold match, a boy that's greener than grass or a man of the night's watch?

Sorry... Game of Thrones returns tonight.

I agree with the OP. New kids need to cut it out. However, some people seem to give me guff when I play as a Level 1 Salarian Infiltrator. Until they realize that I carry the team to victory.

Wait, seriously? I thought it wasn't supposed to start again until mid-april... this is great news.

On topic- below something like N7 100, I do assume the player doesn't have enough experience to cut it on Gold. That doesn't mean I'm not going to play with them, but I'll probably take a harder look at my equipment and not waste anything super awesome (I know, it's assbackwards- team's probably going to be gimped by a noob? Why don't I gimp us some more with level 1 equipment instead of level 3...). It makes a big difference if they have a mic. Character level is also important, depending on the class. If there's a low level SE or Infiltrator, but their loadout looks right, it's fine- they don't need to be level 20s to be effective, as long as they're played well. A level 5 AA though is going to be noticeably weaker, because biotic combos deal damage based on the ranks of the powers used, and they probably don't have one of their combo powers up to 4 for the bio combo evolution. Same with a HE.

My cutoff for Gold is usually N7 40. But if they have a mic and are willing to work as a team, I'll probably still be suckered into the match. Sometimes we even manage to pull it off. But, you know, not often.

The real problem is, when it's really low, N7 gives you an indication that the player is new to the game. But if it's high, who knows how good they are? Hell, I had a gold game last night with 3 people all above N7 200, and all three were leechers. Figured it out about 3 or 4 kills in, then I left. Even if they had decided to play that game, since they are leechers, they don't have the experience a N7 200+ SHOULD have. So you can't just assume they know what they're doing. N7 needs an overhaul- I'd like a much more informative service record, or at least have N7 be based on successful extractions instead of levels. Someone could always inflate their N7 level if they keep buying packs with points and promoting when the levels cap out.

By N7 120, you should know how to play, and you probably do. Above N7 120, the N7 rating really becomes meaningless. I still make the mistake of expecting more from higher N7s, though.

[okita_luc]

I finish many gold runs with people below 100 and I finish gold many times before reach 100. So no I won't support this and when I see people doing it I will leave the lobby, simple as that ...

[Star fury]

I know some of the best MP players in the world who has lower than 100 lvl. And even lvl 1 can beat gold. 

Modifié par Star fury, 01 avril 2012 - 07:58 .

[CV77]

I'm with you.

I'm sick and tired of not being able to finish gold due to buttheads who rush off to play solo and then constantly screaming "I'M OUT! I NEED HELP!" Arrrrgh.

Only today I played 6 gold matches, all of them frustrating as hell. Burned a lot of my best equipment. People run around, quit mid-match, use rockets in wave 3...ugh.

And no, setting a rank filter is not arrogant, as someone said, it's pretty normal. Many single-player games won't let you play harder difficulties until you complete the lower ones. Nobody complains of arrogance.

True, N7 rank is not perfect but it tells you something. There aren't many excellent N7 20 players and there aren't many N7 200s who don't know how to use cobra.

My experience so far with gold - if you want to play public random, it's very hard to assemble a well balanced team. As a TS I had to exit the lobby so many times to avoid being in a team with 3 infiltrators or 2 human soldiers and another sentinel or some human adepts with claymores and revenants....well you got the idea.

And if you finally succeed, almost nobody uses mic and a random group without communication has a snowball's chance in hell.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Xtreme-Tiramisu wrote...

As of now, a N7 120 player is most likely just starting out MP aspect of the game not long ago and still learning and improving his teamwork ability as well as his level of skill and competitiveness in game.

lol?

You couldn't be more wrong.

You're quoting partial context from my reply and I'm wrong?

It only takes a few days for a player to reach N7 120 for either way I've mentioned above and he can stand proud in public and say "I've mastered the game"?

Just because I've earned a Bachelor degree from a Universty, does that mean I've all the knowledge and experience I'll need for the rest of my life?

Yes, you are extremely wrong. How do you wrap your head around the idea that an N7 120 player has only "just started playing?" Mastering the game isn't required to beat gold so your arguement is invalid.

Prior to the promote event this weekend, I was around N7 133 or something and I'm more than competent. But with your logic I've only just started playing? Again, N7 means absolutely nothing and should not be used to base any kind of skill, experience, or what have you.

Ok so you're arguing that you're NOT going to further improve your skills, competitiveness, teamwork, coordination, situational awareness, and judgement from now until the rest of your life ever playing ME3 MP? Just because you have completed Gold for how many times you can remember, you think you've mastered the game? Even as a N7 700+ competitive player, I'm sure humble enough to admit I've not. This argument ends here. Period.

Wtf?

No, I'm saying that getting good at the game has absolutely nothing to do with an N7 rank. Like I've said countless times now, there are plenty of people who play a lot, who are very good but who have only stuck with, for example, 2 classes. And because they never promote (there's no point to) and have an N7 rank of something like 50, you feel inclined to say they're somehow inexperienced because of that.

Either way, at the end of the day, this is about disallowing people to rightfully play what they have paid for. If it's such an issue for you to play with good players, why don't you join one of the many groups here on the forums? Why don't you (this is mostly directed at the OP) NOT start a gold game with a level 5 in the lobby? Why don't you check, before you blindly ready up, whether the people playing are playing as powerful classes like Asari adepts or Salarian infiltrators or the other competent classes? Why don't you check what weapons they're using?

[Kazoot]

ApuLunas wrote...

100 for silver, gold needs at least 200

Yeah, no. I only had an N7 rank of 120 when I completely my first gold match, which was just eariler this week. Since then, I've played a dozen gold matches and completed them all. Rank really doesn't mean a damn thing, it's equipment, load outs, characters, skill, and a lot of other factors that determine whether you're suited for gold or not.

Modifié par Kazoot, 01 avril 2012 - 07:56 .

[nwj94]

I started gold at N7 91, and took top rank 3/4 games.
Met people with N7 Ranks of 300+ who were rank 3rd or 4th every game.

N7 is a really bad judge of skill, what would make more sense would be the ability to have a setting that only lets people of a certain class lvl (Like only players of lvl 18 or higher) into the game. class lvl is not subjective, N7 is kinda useless outside of indicating play time.

Just my 2 cents.

[SgtGrumbles]

Okay nerd let me get this straight, I couldn't play gold until I promoted a class 5 times/leveled 5 different characters to 20?  What if I only cared to play one class and didn't get out of N7 20?  Bad nerds will be bad nerds.  Stfu.

[vladgd]

Star fury wrote...
I know some of the best MP players in the world who has lower than 100 lvl. And even lvl 1 can beat gold. 

and the majority of the less than 100 N7 players are nowhere near that good.  

[xtorma]

Star fury wrote...




I know some of the best MP players in the world who has lower than 100 lvl. And even lvl 1 can beat gold. 

i have like 300 n7 and never played gold because i do not have a mic. I have good weapons and maxed classes. If i went into a gold match they would probabaly let me play. once.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

vladgd wrote...

Star fury wrote...
I know some of the best MP players in the world who has lower than 100 lvl. And even lvl 1 can beat gold. 

and the majority of the less than 100 N7 players are nowhere near that good.  

But, according to the OP and others, they should all be disallowed to play gold right?

[Esperys]

N7 rating is about the most worthless, meaningless rating system I've ever seen. The sheer fact that someone would try to judge another based off it shows either a complete misunderstanding of how the rating is derrived, or simple stupidity.

As others have said, you can have an absolutely amazing player with an N7 rating -under- 50 just because that player unlocked his favorite race/class early and stuck to it. Your N7 rating could be 5 times higher than his, and yet he still could have played more matches and earned more Experience (that's experience, not XP) than you ever will.

To think your N7 rating somehow equates to your worth is a fallacy.

( For perspective, my N7 is sitting at around 200 because I've taken all the classes to 20 at least once and promoted. That's just my playstyle. Yet with my spread of personal experience, someone who has played just as long while focused on a single race/class is probably -better- than me at that class...even if their N7 is less than a quarter of my own. )

Modifié par Esperys, 01 avril 2012 - 08:12 .